All Light, Medium, and Heavy Attacks now dynamically scale with your highest offensive stats

Husan

Can someone with access to PTS confirm that light/heavy attacks with typical stamina weapons (dual wield, 2h, bows) now scale with magicka/spell power as well? And vice versa? Or am I misunderstanding this?

zaria

Husan wrote: »

Can someone with access to PTS confirm that light/heavy attacks with typical stamina weapons (dual wield, 2h, bows) now scale with magicka/spell power as well? And vice versa? Or am I misunderstanding this?

Does HA with ice staff return magic even if more stamina? an very Obvious tank question.

Also how to install PTS on another drive than ESO?

UppGRAYxDD

Can I light attack ppl to death with 70k hp?

Waffennacht

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Can I light attack ppl to death with 70k hp?

Doubtful as they said highest offensive stat and health isnt considered that

Husan

Waffennacht wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Can I light attack ppl to death with 70k hp?

Doubtful as they said highest offensive stat and health isnt considered that

I would agree on that.

So can anyone confirm my understanding of the statement in the patch notes? Do stamina weapon attacks such as swords scale with magicka/spell power now? I don't have the capability to download PTS on my pc due to limited disk space.

satanio

Yes.

Husan

satanio wrote: »

Yes.

Nice! Thanks.

Can't wait to bring back dual wield magplar

Emma_Overload

The prospect of playing Magicka Sorc with a bow might just be what brings me back to ESO. Ballista is so much better than any of the Magicka ultimates.

ZigenBuilds

This only applies to LA's right? Not the actual weapon skills if I'm reading it correctly.

Emma_Overload

ZigenBuilds wrote: »

This only applies to LA's right? Not the actual weapon skills if I'm reading it correctly.

Yeah, it's only light/heavy attacks. But those are really important, because they make weaving attacks viable for a hybrid build.

DomstarX

So does this mean that some close range MagDD will be using DW again like back in the old days to push the base spell power even higher?

hakan

ZigenBuilds wrote: »

This only applies to LA's right? Not the actual weapon skills if I'm reading it correctly.

ultimates already use your highest offensive stat. like as stamnb i can use soul harvest instead of incap for defile.

i believe balista works same. if you are in no cp and not using spell pen, you arent really losing anything with balista in a mag char. correct me if im wrong

universal_wrath

Anyone tried inferno LA on stam specs? Is it stronger than other physical weapons? Also, does it buff stamina single target attacks?

LegendaryOaks

This is great but im assuming light attack damage still gets buffed off cp off its respective type which is a huge dps contributor

Still though this is a change in the right direction if you like spell swords and such

Kosef

But do heavy attacks return the highest stat for sustain no matter the weapon or does it still only return its respective stat?

Jodynn

PvE
Dual Wield test :

You gain around 1k of damage on everything else because you hurt slightly more, You lose around 5k on light attacks, a lot less burning and any status effects which is another 3k and a lot of sustain for magDK ( which is already terrible ), especially if you use charged staff then it's more like 5k less, and half as strong enchantments which is especially noticeable on certain fights if you use prismatic, so basically not worth for a ~5-9k loss in it's current status; however, it looks kind of cool.

Not testing Two-Handed because I expect it's worse.

kojou

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

PvE
Dual Wield test :

You gain around 1k of damage on everything else because you hurt slightly more, You lose around 5k on light attacks, a lot less burning and any status effects which is another 3k and a lot of sustain for magDK ( which is already terrible ), especially if you use charged staff then it's more like 5k less, and half as strong enchantments which is especially noticeable on certain fights if you use prismatic, so basically not worth for a ~5-9k loss in it's current status; however, it looks kind of cool.

Not testing Two-Handed because I expect it's worse.

I would think that DK would be one of the worst choices for a dual wield magicka build. Magicka Templar will probably be the only viable spec and probably only during multi-target scenarios. On my Templar testing it outperforms shock staff, but not a flame staff on single target. There may be some additional optimization though...

Jodynn

kojou wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

PvE
Dual Wield test :

You gain around 1k of damage on everything else because you hurt slightly more, You lose around 5k on light attacks, a lot less burning and any status effects which is another 3k and a lot of sustain for magDK ( which is already terrible ), especially if you use charged staff then it's more like 5k less, and half as strong enchantments which is especially noticeable on certain fights if you use prismatic, so basically not worth for a ~5-9k loss in it's current status; however, it looks kind of cool.

Not testing Two-Handed because I expect it's worse.

I would think that DK would be one of the worst choices for a dual wield magicka build. Magicka Templar will probably be the only viable spec and probably only during multi-target scenarios. On my Templar testing it outperforms shock staff, but not a flame staff on single target. There may be some additional optimization though...

I'm a magDK main, I'd be remiss if I didn't check, and I've been wanting a melee magicka weapon since I throw whips and claws which are melee.

YandereGirlfriend

Emma_Overload wrote: »

The prospect of playing Magicka Sorc with a bow might just be what brings me back to ESO. Ballista is so much better than any of the Magicka ultimates.

This was exactly my first thought as well. I am loving this change for build diversity.

TheBardAtTheInn

I've been using a 2h on my magplar in PVP for a while, but I'm glad I'll be able to use that in PVE without gimping myself too badly as well!

MashmalloMan

YASSS.. Melee magicka 2H Sorc pvp build incoming.

Auroran's Thunder + Overwhelming Surge + Ring of the Pale Order (Domihaus Head/BRP DW backbar).

Steed mundus stone, 3x Swift Jewelry, Dark Elf/High Elf, Well Fitted x5, Sugar Skulls food and tripots.

AhSeLYaG

There is still some questions to be answered to judge whether its viable or not?
What type of damage melee weapon light/heavy attacks deal;magic?
Will the weapon skill passives be adjusted to give spell pen / crit/ or status effects accordlingly?

By using a melee weapon we will lose range; but also we lose much more from passives...

satanio

Kosef wrote: »

But do heavy attacks return the highest stat for sustain no matter the weapon or does it still only return its respective stat?

no.
Staves return magicka.
DW, 2h, bow, SnB stamina.
Always.

satanio

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

There is still some questions to be answered to judge whether its viable or not?
What type of damage melee weapon light/heavy attacks deal;magic?
Will the weapon skill passives be adjusted to give spell pen / crit/ or status effects accordlingly?

By using a melee weapon we will lose range; but also we lose much more from passives...

DW, 2h, bow, SnB deal physical dmg.
Staves deal magic dmg, according to the type.

Weapon skill have some passives that work for both. For example DW has Swords DMG inc. Keep in mind that, the loss because of CP might be bigger than the gain from extra sword SD or dmg increase. You would need to play around that. And you correctly mentioned the range disadvantage.

Destro LA did not proc status effects as far as I know, one passive increase the chance to proc status effects, but that is working for any dmg type. Crit will be reworked according to Brian Wheeler, and it looks like it will be some kind of a hybrid stat.

edit: Only one passive from DW is good for magicka users.

raaphor

zaria wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

Can someone with access to PTS confirm that light/heavy attacks with typical stamina weapons (dual wield, 2h, bows) now scale with magicka/spell power as well? And vice versa? Or am I misunderstanding this?

Does HA with ice staff return magic even if more stamina? an very Obvious tank question.

Also how to install PTS on another drive than ESO?

I use symbolic links / junctions (mklink /J)
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16226/complete-guide-to-symbolic-links-symlinks-on-windows-or-linux/

HankTwo

Good change! I will most likely switch my melee magplar from shock staff to 2h after this hits the live servers.

ExistingRug61

satanio wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

There is still some questions to be answered to judge whether its viable or not?
What type of damage melee weapon light/heavy attacks deal;magic?
Will the weapon skill passives be adjusted to give spell pen / crit/ or status effects accordlingly?

By using a melee weapon we will lose range; but also we lose much more from passives...

DW, 2h, bow, SnB deal physical dmg.
Staves deal magic dmg, according to the type.

Weapon skill have passives that are "kinda" adjusted. For example DW has 3/5 passives that does something for magicka character (Twin blade and blunt - Swords DMG inc., Axe bleeds; Dual Wield expert, Slaughter increases DW LAs aswell) Keep in mind that, the loss because of CP might be bigger than the gain from extra sword SD, bleed or dmg increase. You would need to play around that. And you correctly mentioned the range disadvantage.

Destro LA did not proc status effects as far as I know, one passive increase the chance to proc status effects, but that is working for any dmg type. Crit will be reworked according to Brian Wheeler, and it looks like it will be some kind of a hybrid stat.

Wait so did they change the dw passives (I hadn’t seen mention in the patch notes) so dual wield expert now increase spell damage as well as weapon damage? And Axe bleed scaling with highest stat?
Obviously sword bonus damage already worked for mag build, but these two didn’t previously.

But yeah I believe using the opposite weapon type is still going to be behind due to crit, pen and cp. When/if they make crit and pen hybrid it will likely be much closer, especially in nocp environments.

satanio

ExistingRug61 wrote: »

satanio wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

There is still some questions to be answered to judge whether its viable or not?
What type of damage melee weapon light/heavy attacks deal;magic?
Will the weapon skill passives be adjusted to give spell pen / crit/ or status effects accordlingly?

By using a melee weapon we will lose range; but also we lose much more from passives...

DW, 2h, bow, SnB deal physical dmg.
Staves deal magic dmg, according to the type.

Weapon skill have passives that are "kinda" adjusted. For example DW has 3/5 passives that does something for magicka character (Twin blade and blunt - Swords DMG inc., Axe bleeds; Dual Wield expert, Slaughter increases DW LAs aswell) Keep in mind that, the loss because of CP might be bigger than the gain from extra sword SD, bleed or dmg increase. You would need to play around that. And you correctly mentioned the range disadvantage.

Destro LA did not proc status effects as far as I know, one passive increase the chance to proc status effects, but that is working for any dmg type. Crit will be reworked according to Brian Wheeler, and it looks like it will be some kind of a hybrid stat.

Wait so did they change the dw passives (I hadn’t seen mention in the patch notes) so dual wield expert now increase spell damage as well as weapon damage? And Axe bleed scaling with highest stat?
Obviously sword bonus damage already worked for mag build, but these two didn’t previously.

But yeah I believe using the opposite weapon type is still going to be behind due to crit, pen and cp. When/if they make crit and pen hybrid it will likely be much closer, especially in nocp environments.

Nah, I was wrong Just checked it. Bleed are as you have described, Dual wield expert the same way. Will edit my previous post to not spread misinformation. Sorry. Only swords are good

ExistingRug61

satanio wrote: »

ExistingRug61 wrote: »

satanio wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

There is still some questions to be answered to judge whether its viable or not?
What type of damage melee weapon light/heavy attacks deal;magic?
Will the weapon skill passives be adjusted to give spell pen / crit/ or status effects accordlingly?

By using a melee weapon we will lose range; but also we lose much more from passives...

DW, 2h, bow, SnB deal physical dmg.
Staves deal magic dmg, according to the type.

Weapon skill have passives that are "kinda" adjusted. For example DW has 3/5 passives that does something for magicka character (Twin blade and blunt - Swords DMG inc., Axe bleeds; Dual Wield expert, Slaughter increases DW LAs aswell) Keep in mind that, the loss because of CP might be bigger than the gain from extra sword SD, bleed or dmg increase. You would need to play around that. And you correctly mentioned the range disadvantage.

Destro LA did not proc status effects as far as I know, one passive increase the chance to proc status effects, but that is working for any dmg type. Crit will be reworked according to Brian Wheeler, and it looks like it will be some kind of a hybrid stat.

Wait so did they change the dw passives (I hadn’t seen mention in the patch notes) so dual wield expert now increase spell damage as well as weapon damage? And Axe bleed scaling with highest stat?
Obviously sword bonus damage already worked for mag build, but these two didn’t previously.

But yeah I believe using the opposite weapon type is still going to be behind due to crit, pen and cp. When/if they make crit and pen hybrid it will likely be much closer, especially in nocp environments.

Nah, I was wrong Just checked it. Bleed are as you have described, Dual wield expert the same way. Will edit my previous post to not spread misinformation. Sorry. Only swords are good

Nah all good, it would have been surprising if they did change passives.

Just kinda funny that this is the second time today I’ve seen something a little exciting that then wasn’t the case. First the hide shoulders thread and then this.

Elvenheart

Hide shoulders thread??!? Oh, you meant shoulders made out of hide 🙂

Mobius0

satanio wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

There is still some questions to be answered to judge whether its viable or not?
What type of damage melee weapon light/heavy attacks deal;magic?
Will the weapon skill passives be adjusted to give spell pen / crit/ or status effects accordlingly?

By using a melee weapon we will lose range; but also we lose much more from passives...

DW, 2h, bow, SnB deal physical dmg.
Staves deal magic dmg, according to the type.

Weapon skill have some passives that work for both. For example DW has Swords DMG inc. Keep in mind that, the loss because of CP might be bigger than the gain from extra sword SD or dmg increase. You would need to play around that. And you correctly mentioned the range disadvantage.

Destro LA did not proc status effects as far as I know, one passive increase the chance to proc status effects, but that is working for any dmg type. Crit will be reworked according to Brian Wheeler, and it looks like it will be some kind of a hybrid stat.

edit: Only one passive from DW is good for magicka users.

So you tested this yourself on PTS? How are you coming to this conclusion?

A simple test would be to hit a target dummy, then cast major sorcery and hit it again.