Still no class balance

Red99

So stamnecro will continue to be op

Mayrael

Not exactly. Major protection, major defile and major vulnerability got nerfed, and this was the class that got all of them implemented. This makes me quite happy

Sandman929

Yeah, those Major/Minor nerfs are pretty harsh. No necessarily unwarranted, but damn

karekiz

Press 1 if you didn't delete your Stam Necro

Atherakhia

What's funny is that Mag Necros are awful and managed to get hit by this too. Still waiting on that Stalking Blastbone morph to actually do something.

Cinbri

You forgot warden buff where Shalks now recast itself for free..

Machete

Wardens are so overtuned... I'm tired of seeing it.

Dalsinthus

Cinbri wrote: »

You forgot warden buff where Shalks now recast itself for free..

Yes, but the loss of fracture entirely from their kit is pretty huge.

Joxer61

Dalsinthus wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

You forgot warden buff where Shalks now recast itself for free..

Yes, but the loss of fracture entirely from their kit is pretty huge.

Major Breach now affects both Physical and Spell Resistance equally.
So one will hope that each gets breach now, not just one...else that would be a d*** move.

NeillMcAttack

Stam necro just got battered by the nerf hammer dude!! Defile = nerfed!! Major protection = nerfed!!

techyeshic

Joxer61 wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

You forgot warden buff where Shalks now recast itself for free..

Yes, but the loss of fracture entirely from their kit is pretty huge.

Major Breach now affects both Physical and Spell Resistance equally.
So one will hope that each gets breach now, not just one...else that would be a d*** move.

It doesnt say they added breach, just removed fracture and made it a double cast (which I like not having to hit it every 3 seconds, but it is a nerf)

Not to mention major mending nerf seeing as my stamden has the easiest access to that in that it also burst heals at the same time.

Warden also had the most accessible minor protection tied to its armor buff and minor protection got nerfed.

Warden also had the most accessible minor berserk being a passive just fro slotting, not requiring a crit from the flank, and minor berserk got nerfed.

Red99

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Stam necro just got battered by the nerf hammer dude!! Defile = nerfed!! Major protection = nerfed!!

Stam blastbone is still op and still snare, ghost and mortal coil untouched

Joxer61

techyeshic wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

You forgot warden buff where Shalks now recast itself for free..

Yes, but the loss of fracture entirely from their kit is pretty huge.

Major Breach now affects both Physical and Spell Resistance equally.
So one will hope that each gets breach now, not just one...else that would be a d*** move.

It doesnt say they added breach, just removed fracture and made it a double cast (which I like not having to hit it every 3 seconds, but it is a nerf)

Not to mention major mending nerf seeing as my stamden has the easiest access to that in that it also burst heals at the same time.

Warden also had the most accessible minor protection tied to its armor buff and minor protection got nerfed.

Warden also had the most accessible minor berserk being a passive just fro slotting, not requiring a crit from the flank, and minor berserk got nerfed.

stop....just stop....it hurts................

Dalsinthus

Joxer61 wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

You forgot warden buff where Shalks now recast itself for free..

Yes, but the loss of fracture entirely from their kit is pretty huge.

Major Breach now affects both Physical and Spell Resistance equally.
So one will hope that each gets breach now, not just one...else that would be a d*** move.

I understand that about the merging of penetration into one stat. What I was saying - and techyeshic noted this more clearly - is that the magic morph appears to be the only morph granting penetration now. The stam morph gives the free cast instead.

Revokus

Red99 wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Stam necro just got battered by the nerf hammer dude!! Defile = nerfed!! Major protection = nerfed!!

Stam blastbone is still op and still snare, ghost and mortal coil untouched

With good reason and it will remain untouched otherwise they’ll need to delete magnecro from the game which is kinda already the case in PvP.

Atherakhia

People complain all the time with Stam Necro, and with good reason. But what would the class bring if they ever got around to nerfing the things you mention? They'd effectively be what Mag Necros are currently: Useless. The Necromancer class in general is very poorly designed and needs a pretty substantial rework at this point. ZOS doesn't seem interested in the least with PvP and likely won't do any large scale class changes until well after they're done working on whatever it is they're trying to do with all these stat and buff changes. Likely not even until after they deliver on the promised CP overhaul which is years in the making now?

Really not sure what they're doing but sitting around waiting for your class to be fixed is getting old.

MincVinyl

We all know necro has been overperforming in pvp due to having easy access to the best pvp buffs in the game. Now they have been brought down within the range of the base classes. I'd say this is some class balance

Warden also got hurt:
Protection from permafrost got hurt
major defile reduced
sub assault not having pen

Revokus

MincVinyl wrote: »

We all know necro has been overperforming in pvp due to having easy access to the best pvp buffs in the game. Now they have been brought down within the range of the base classes. I'd say this is some class balance

Warden also got hurt:
Protection from permafrost got hurt
major defile reduced
sub assault not having pen

Correction : only StamNecro.

But those nerfs affect Magnecro too.
Stamcro doesn’t even need the Colossus to kill a decent players they can use any other Stam ults.

Magnecro can’t afford that luxury it absolutely need major vulnerability to kill someone that isn’t a complete potato. But even with 30 % it wasn’t enough.. The magicka side is lacking terribly DPS wise.

Imagine now with Vuln nerfed lmao. Good luck. Only good thing about magnecro was tankiness but now that’s nerfed as well.

We will all now have to use Ironblood like @Akinos

TimeDazzler

"No class balance" the title reads when major protection and major vulnerability get cut from 30% to 10%. LOL, you guys will never be pleased until warden and necro are deleted from the game. Stam warden loses major fracture, and stam necro major defile cut down to 16%. It's time to play stamsorc 15% movement speed on armor buff and streak being unblockable/undodgeable a few patches ago sign me up!

MincVinyl

Revokus wrote: »

MincVinyl wrote: »

We all know necro has been overperforming in pvp due to having easy access to the best pvp buffs in the game. Now they have been brought down within the range of the base classes. I'd say this is some class balance

Warden also got hurt:
Protection from permafrost got hurt
major defile reduced
sub assault not having pen

Correction : only StamNecro.

But those nerfs affect Magnecro too.
Stamcro doesn’t even need the Colossus to kill a decent players they can use any other Stam ults.

Magnecro can’t afford that luxury it absolutely need major vulnerability to kill someone that isn’t a complete potato. But even with 30 % it wasn’t enough.. The magicka side is lacking terribly DPS wise.

Imagine now with Vuln nerfed lmao. Good luck. Only good thing about magnecro was tankiness but now that’s nerfed as well.

We will all now have to use Ironblood like @Akinos

Imo magcro needs to be pushed away from the one trick wonder that is relying on the ult for every kill. I dont think any magcro has been any sort of threat until their ult goes off after 2mins of fighting.

Atherakhia

MincVinyl wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

MincVinyl wrote: »

We all know necro has been overperforming in pvp due to having easy access to the best pvp buffs in the game. Now they have been brought down within the range of the base classes. I'd say this is some class balance

Warden also got hurt:
Protection from permafrost got hurt
major defile reduced
sub assault not having pen

Correction : only StamNecro.

But those nerfs affect Magnecro too.
Stamcro doesn’t even need the Colossus to kill a decent players they can use any other Stam ults.

Magnecro can’t afford that luxury it absolutely need major vulnerability to kill someone that isn’t a complete potato. But even with 30 % it wasn’t enough.. The magicka side is lacking terribly DPS wise.

Imagine now with Vuln nerfed lmao. Good luck. Only good thing about magnecro was tankiness but now that’s nerfed as well.

We will all now have to use Ironblood like @Akinos

Imo magcro needs to be pushed away from the one trick wonder that is relying on the ult for every kill. I dont think any magcro has been any sort of threat until their ult goes off after 2mins of fighting.

I agree too, but to do that they'd need to actually improve something. We saw Harmony nerfed hard last patch. Now major vuln. As a whole, these changes are fine and probably good for the game. But they aren't good for the Necromancer in general when they refuse to make any class changes to compensate. Especially for something like Mag Necros which weren't relevant to begin with. And they are still waiting for Stalking Blastbones to actually do something. 8 months and counting now?

Revokus

Atherakhia wrote: »

MincVinyl wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

MincVinyl wrote: »

We all know necro has been overperforming in pvp due to having easy access to the best pvp buffs in the game. Now they have been brought down within the range of the base classes. I'd say this is some class balance

Warden also got hurt:
Protection from permafrost got hurt
major defile reduced
sub assault not having pen

Correction : only StamNecro.

But those nerfs affect Magnecro too.
Stamcro doesn’t even need the Colossus to kill a decent players they can use any other Stam ults.

Magnecro can’t afford that luxury it absolutely need major vulnerability to kill someone that isn’t a complete potato. But even with 30 % it wasn’t enough.. The magicka side is lacking terribly DPS wise.

Imagine now with Vuln nerfed lmao. Good luck. Only good thing about magnecro was tankiness but now that’s nerfed as well.

We will all now have to use Ironblood like @Akinos

Imo magcro needs to be pushed away from the one trick wonder that is relying on the ult for every kill. I dont think any magcro has been any sort of threat until their ult goes off after 2mins of fighting.

I agree too, but to do that they'd need to actually improve something. We saw Harmony nerfed hard last patch. Now major vuln. As a whole, these changes are fine and probably good for the game. But they aren't good for the Necromancer in general when they refuse to make any class changes to compensate. Especially for something like Mag Necros which weren't relevant to begin with. And they are still waiting for Stalking Blastbones to actually do something. 8 months and counting now?

Yeah I’m not surprised tired of waiting after tons of feedback regarding Magcro and nothing. Can we get a response @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_BrianWheeler ?

We have time of dying from cancer before seeing any buffs or feedback implemented.

Also what is going on with Class Reps ?? @Alcast Do you guys still send pain points regarding Magcro ?