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As long as Stamdens are this strong I don't want to hear another cry about anything
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Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭Paul posting nerf threads when he plays a class (stamblade) that's considered top tier this patch lol.
At least among most skilled players.2 -
TwinLamps✭✭✭✭✭
✭sDK could use some love.
It used to be tanky class of ESO.
Now its tankiness is not there, especially when compared to stamcro and stamden.
It used to be DoT based class. Now the pressure sDK can make revloves only around sets, because corrosive no longer buffs dots. Some other classes have better presure tools, like stamco with blastbones that have defile and 10% extra damage from dots in its class passive, and stamden with shalks
Please, buff a bit sDK. It is slow, not tanky enough, and damage it has in class kit is mediocre at best.Awake, but at what cost1 -
Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭sDK could use some love.
It used to be tanky class of ESO.
Now its tankiness is not there, especially when compared to stamcro and stamden.
It used to be DoT based class. Now the pressure sDK can make revloves only around sets, because corrosive no longer buffs dots. Some other classes have better presure tools, like stamco with blastbones that have defile and 10% extra damage from dots in its class passive, and stamden with shalks
Please, buff a bit sDK. It is slow, not tanky enough, and damage it has in class kit is mediocre at best.
Is this a joke?
A dot dk with malacath and eternal vigor with or without heavy armor is very good this patch.
Eternal vigor lets dks more or less spam fossilise, arguably the best cc in the game.
All classes rely on sets.2 -
L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭And yet most ballgroups are magicka only and destroy everything, because they have insane Crosshealing, and insane buffs which allows them to deal way more damage than a Stamina Char could ever dream about. Of course that needs a group. I guess you could say Stamina is stronger in solo and very small groups, but Magicka rules the organized groups from medium sized onwards.Edited by L_Nici on September 17, 2020 11:50AMA very special girl
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Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭Considering OP is a stamblade, the best solo stamina class in the game atm with arguably the best offense and defensive toolkit in the game when outnumbered I assume he's running solo and gets killed by these mythic stamdens in a 1v1 when he tries to gank them.
I'm sorry but if you die to a stamden with an open world build in a 1v1 you're mediocre.
Stamdens are excellent pubstompers killing zerglings that gets too hungry for a kill with their telegraphed burst.Edited by Ariades_swe on September 17, 2020 12:25PM3 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Canned_Apples wrote: »
It is close enough....the % damage increases are additive, I think. I don't know where minor vulnerability fits in mathematically.
I don't think it is broken either. The class just complements the current meta better than the other classes. If you don't play the current meta, then stamden is just another class. Next DLC the meta will completely change again, and Stamden may not be the best choice for the new meta.Edited by katorga on September 17, 2020 2:20PM0 -
pauld1_ESO✭✭✭✭Ariades_swe wrote: »Paul posting nerf threads when he plays a class (stamblade) that's considered top tier this patch lol.
At least among most skilled players.
Did I post a nerf thread? I could see how a lack of critical thinking would bring someone to that conclusion. My point was Stamblades, which yes I play, have nerf threads and cry posts all over here when it comes to them....but in order to do what we do we have to glass cannon and hide. Yet Stamdens just run around fearless openly solo and dare you to come and chase them into a tower or around a rock. But because NB's are forced to kill and run or hide people hate on them. It's silly to complain about NBs when Stamdens are as strong as they are. That is all I am saying.
What I AM calling for is balance. If I have to glass cannon to wreck people you should not be able to sport heavy armor and 30k+ health, loaded up on resist and still be able to do similar burst. That is not balance. So if this is me calling to nerf Stamdens fine......nerf it.1 -
pauld1_ESO✭✭✭✭Ariades_swe wrote: »Considering OP is a stamblade, the best solo stamina class in the game atm with arguably the best offense and defensive toolkit in the game when outnumbered I assume he's running solo and gets killed by these mythic stamdens in a 1v1 when he tries to gank them.
I'm sorry but if you die to a stamden with an open world build in a 1v1 you're mediocre.
Stamdens are excellent pubstompers killing zerglings that gets too hungry for a kill with their telegraphed burst.
First of all I do consider myself mediocre, never claimed to be a pro. And thank you for making my point....I can solo entire teams in BGs with my Stamden and I am not even that good rofl.0 -
TwinLamps✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ariades_swe wrote: »sDK could use some love.
It used to be tanky class of ESO.
Now its tankiness is not there, especially when compared to stamcro and stamden.
It used to be DoT based class. Now the pressure sDK can make revloves only around sets, because corrosive no longer buffs dots. Some other classes have better presure tools, like stamco with blastbones that have defile and 10% extra damage from dots in its class passive, and stamden with shalks
Please, buff a bit sDK. It is slow, not tanky enough, and damage it has in class kit is mediocre at best.
Is this a joke?
A dot dk with malacath and eternal vigor with or without heavy armor is very good this patch.
Eternal vigor lets dks more or less spam fossilise, arguably the best cc in the game.
All classes rely on sets.
Tell me why would a competitive player pick sDK over stamden or stamcro this patch?Awake, but at what cost4 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭I love it when people say that “Stamden has access to all these buffs, multiple burst heals and related burst” Try slotting everything and see how it turns out for you.
Edit:
So you have:
sub assault, growing swarm, bull netch, bird of prey, shimmering shield, ice fortress, green lotus, arctic blast, soothing spores, living trellis or the other morph, cutting dive, permafrost, trees. Explain how you’re going to fit it all while having enough room for a spammable, vigor, execute, cc, snare removal, dbos, and etc.Edited by JobooAGS on September 17, 2020 3:43PM3 -
Canned_Apples✭✭✭✭✭
✭Canned_Apples wrote: »
It is close enough....the % damage increases are additive, I think. I don't know where minor vulnerability fits in mathematically.
I don't think it is broken either. The class just complements the current meta better than the other classes. If you don't play the current meta, then stamden is just another class. Next DLC the meta will completely change again, and Stamden may not be the best choice for the new meta.
I agree with you about the shifting meta, given their past actions, but that was before they introduced (p2w) malacath. Especially now that there is talk about a critical chance/damage nerf, which only incentivizes their new p2w malacath/proc approach.
I fully expect this new meta to stick around until they add a new p2w item.0 -
HalvarIronfist✭✭✭✭Ariades_swe wrote: »sDK could use some love.
It used to be tanky class of ESO.
Now its tankiness is not there, especially when compared to stamcro and stamden.
It used to be DoT based class. Now the pressure sDK can make revloves only around sets, because corrosive no longer buffs dots. Some other classes have better presure tools, like stamco with blastbones that have defile and 10% extra damage from dots in its class passive, and stamden with shalks
Please, buff a bit sDK. It is slow, not tanky enough, and damage it has in class kit is mediocre at best.
Is this a joke?
A dot dk with malacath and eternal vigor with or without heavy armor is very good this patch.
Eternal vigor lets dks more or less spam fossilise, arguably the best cc in the game.
All classes rely on sets.
Tell me why would a competitive player pick sDK over stamden or stamcro this patch?
Sdk main.
I personally feel - between playing all three classes and the builds, that stamden and stamcro are arguably way more powerful than a stamdk.
Both classes can easily outheal DK, Warden with cheap heal ulti, the cc on the arctic wind is downright nasty between brawlers. Stamcro has the damned spirit guardian + essentially another class heal that can equate to vigor.
Both classes get downright nasty tankiness compared to dk. Necro has very easy access to minor and major protection, as does warden. DK doesn't have either in their class kit
Class heal for the DK.. Absolute trash. Cauterize is fine, not excellent, not bad, but fine. Dragon blood? Completely untouchable on stam builds IMO.
Dots. DK wins this easily. Building a dot dk is pretty easy and stays pretty effective, especially with malacath.
Burst: DK burst? you mean leap? Stamden has shalks, necro has blastbones. DK burst is tied to a leap. That's about it.
Now. IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL STAMCROS OR STAMDENS ON A STAMDK?
The short answer: No, it is not.
But: Between two competent players I would wager that stamnecro or stamden will almost always beat out stamdk. They just have more utility and betters overall kits.5 -
Atherakhia✭✭✭✭That doesn't mean the solution is to buff Stamina DKs though. The solution is make BBB minor defile instead of major and normalize all heal over times in this game to fit into a major vigor or minor vigor type buff and remove the stacking heal over times.
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Tammany✭✭✭✭I love it when people say t
I love it when people defend the class wich able to deal 6k sub assaults in heavy armor and 27k hp NO CP.
Only once glance required to see that stuff as completely broken balance.
Most mmorpgs have simple rule - you go full defence means lower damage, you go full damage means lower defence.
And only in ESO some classes can go both and still perform as tanky and bursty unit in the same time.
Hard to argue with eso "veteran pvpers" when all their lifetime xperience is broken teso pvp and mario cart/zelda journey.
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[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on September 18, 2020 12:55PM1 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HalvarIronfist wrote: »Ariades_swe wrote: »sDK could use some love.
It used to be tanky class of ESO.
Now its tankiness is not there, especially when compared to stamcro and stamden.
It used to be DoT based class. Now the pressure sDK can make revloves only around sets, because corrosive no longer buffs dots. Some other classes have better presure tools, like stamco with blastbones that have defile and 10% extra damage from dots in its class passive, and stamden with shalks
Please, buff a bit sDK. It is slow, not tanky enough, and damage it has in class kit is mediocre at best.
Is this a joke?
A dot dk with malacath and eternal vigor with or without heavy armor is very good this patch.
Eternal vigor lets dks more or less spam fossilise, arguably the best cc in the game.
All classes rely on sets.
Tell me why would a competitive player pick sDK over stamden or stamcro this patch?
Sdk main.
I personally feel - between playing all three classes and the builds, that stamden and stamcro are arguably way more powerful than a stamdk.
Both classes can easily outheal DK, Warden with cheap heal ulti, the cc on the arctic wind is downright nasty between brawlers. Stamcro has the damned spirit guardian + essentially another class heal that can equate to vigor.
Both classes get downright nasty tankiness compared to dk. Necro has very easy access to minor and major protection, as does warden. DK doesn't have either in their class kit
Class heal for the DK.. Absolute trash. Cauterize is fine, not excellent, not bad, but fine. Dragon blood? Completely untouchable on stam builds IMO.
Dots. DK wins this easily. Building a dot dk is pretty easy and stays pretty effective, especially with malacath.
Burst: DK burst? you mean leap? Stamden has shalks, necro has blastbones. DK burst is tied to a leap. That's about it.
Now. IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL STAMCROS OR STAMDENS ON A STAMDK?
The short answer: No, it is not.
But: Between two competent players I would wager that stamnecro or stamden will almost always beat out stamdk. They just have more utility and betters overall kits.
Isn't there another thread about 6 below this one about OP stamDK dw heavy attack build one-shotting players?0 -
HalvarIronfist✭✭✭✭HalvarIronfist wrote: »Ariades_swe wrote: »sDK could use some love.
It used to be tanky class of ESO.
Now its tankiness is not there, especially when compared to stamcro and stamden.
It used to be DoT based class. Now the pressure sDK can make revloves only around sets, because corrosive no longer buffs dots. Some other classes have better presure tools, like stamco with blastbones that have defile and 10% extra damage from dots in its class passive, and stamden with shalks
Please, buff a bit sDK. It is slow, not tanky enough, and damage it has in class kit is mediocre at best.
Is this a joke?
A dot dk with malacath and eternal vigor with or without heavy armor is very good this patch.
Eternal vigor lets dks more or less spam fossilise, arguably the best cc in the game.
All classes rely on sets.
Tell me why would a competitive player pick sDK over stamden or stamcro this patch?
Sdk main.
I personally feel - between playing all three classes and the builds, that stamden and stamcro are arguably way more powerful than a stamdk.
Both classes can easily outheal DK, Warden with cheap heal ulti, the cc on the arctic wind is downright nasty between brawlers. Stamcro has the damned spirit guardian + essentially another class heal that can equate to vigor.
Both classes get downright nasty tankiness compared to dk. Necro has very easy access to minor and major protection, as does warden. DK doesn't have either in their class kit
Class heal for the DK.. Absolute trash. Cauterize is fine, not excellent, not bad, but fine. Dragon blood? Completely untouchable on stam builds IMO.
Dots. DK wins this easily. Building a dot dk is pretty easy and stays pretty effective, especially with malacath.
Burst: DK burst? you mean leap? Stamden has shalks, necro has blastbones. DK burst is tied to a leap. That's about it.
Now. IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL STAMCROS OR STAMDENS ON A STAMDK?
The short answer: No, it is not.
But: Between two competent players I would wager that stamnecro or stamden will almost always beat out stamdk. They just have more utility and betters overall kits.
Isn't there another thread about 6 below this one about OP stamDK dw heavy attack build one-shotting players?
I haven't personally ever heard or seen of this until now. Seems interesting, at the very least. I've seen heavy attack builds before but never knew that this sort of thing existed.0 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HalvarIronfist wrote: »HalvarIronfist wrote: »Ariades_swe wrote: »sDK could use some love.
It used to be tanky class of ESO.
Now its tankiness is not there, especially when compared to stamcro and stamden.
It used to be DoT based class. Now the pressure sDK can make revloves only around sets, because corrosive no longer buffs dots. Some other classes have better presure tools, like stamco with blastbones that have defile and 10% extra damage from dots in its class passive, and stamden with shalks
Please, buff a bit sDK. It is slow, not tanky enough, and damage it has in class kit is mediocre at best.
Is this a joke?
A dot dk with malacath and eternal vigor with or without heavy armor is very good this patch.
Eternal vigor lets dks more or less spam fossilise, arguably the best cc in the game.
All classes rely on sets.
Tell me why would a competitive player pick sDK over stamden or stamcro this patch?
Sdk main.
I personally feel - between playing all three classes and the builds, that stamden and stamcro are arguably way more powerful than a stamdk.
Both classes can easily outheal DK, Warden with cheap heal ulti, the cc on the arctic wind is downright nasty between brawlers. Stamcro has the damned spirit guardian + essentially another class heal that can equate to vigor.
Both classes get downright nasty tankiness compared to dk. Necro has very easy access to minor and major protection, as does warden. DK doesn't have either in their class kit
Class heal for the DK.. Absolute trash. Cauterize is fine, not excellent, not bad, but fine. Dragon blood? Completely untouchable on stam builds IMO.
Dots. DK wins this easily. Building a dot dk is pretty easy and stays pretty effective, especially with malacath.
Burst: DK burst? you mean leap? Stamden has shalks, necro has blastbones. DK burst is tied to a leap. That's about it.
Now. IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL STAMCROS OR STAMDENS ON A STAMDK?
The short answer: No, it is not.
But: Between two competent players I would wager that stamnecro or stamden will almost always beat out stamdk. They just have more utility and betters overall kits.
Isn't there another thread about 6 below this one about OP stamDK dw heavy attack build one-shotting players?
I haven't personally ever heard or seen of this until now. Seems interesting, at the very least. I've seen heavy attack builds before but never knew that this sort of thing existed.
Kinda my point...there are good builds for everything, except maybe Magcro,
. Hyperbole aside, sorc, necro, DK, warden and NB thrive with the current stamina fotm builds. Dunno about Templar. Personally I think stamina warden and sorcerer have the best class kit to take fullest advantage of this patch. Enough to be OP and need nerfing...no way. All the stamina classes are right in them middle of the bell curve. 0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭HalvarIronfist wrote: »Ariades_swe wrote: »sDK could use some love.
It used to be tanky class of ESO.
Now its tankiness is not there, especially when compared to stamcro and stamden.
It used to be DoT based class. Now the pressure sDK can make revloves only around sets, because corrosive no longer buffs dots. Some other classes have better presure tools, like stamco with blastbones that have defile and 10% extra damage from dots in its class passive, and stamden with shalks
Please, buff a bit sDK. It is slow, not tanky enough, and damage it has in class kit is mediocre at best.
Is this a joke?
A dot dk with malacath and eternal vigor with or without heavy armor is very good this patch.
Eternal vigor lets dks more or less spam fossilise, arguably the best cc in the game.
All classes rely on sets.
Tell me why would a competitive player pick sDK over stamden or stamcro this patch?
Sdk main.
I personally feel - between playing all three classes and the builds, that stamden and stamcro are arguably way more powerful than a stamdk.
Both classes can easily outheal DK, Warden with cheap heal ulti, the cc on the arctic wind is downright nasty between brawlers. Stamcro has the damned spirit guardian + essentially another class heal that can equate to vigor.
Both classes get downright nasty tankiness compared to dk. Necro has very easy access to minor and major protection, as does warden. DK doesn't have either in their class kit
Class heal for the DK.. Absolute trash. Cauterize is fine, not excellent, not bad, but fine. Dragon blood? Completely untouchable on stam builds IMO.
Dots. DK wins this easily. Building a dot dk is pretty easy and stays pretty effective, especially with malacath.
Burst: DK burst? you mean leap? Stamden has shalks, necro has blastbones. DK burst is tied to a leap. That's about it.
Now. IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL STAMCROS OR STAMDENS ON A STAMDK?
The short answer: No, it is not.
But: Between two competent players I would wager that stamnecro or stamden will almost always beat out stamdk. They just have more utility and betters overall kits.
Isn't there another thread about 6 below this one about OP stamDK dw heavy attack build one-shotting players?
Abusing an exploit that happens to work best on DK doesn't tell you anything about class balance.3 -
JayKwellen✭✭✭✭✭I love it when people say that “Stamden has access to all these buffs, multiple burst heals and related burst” Try slotting everything and see how it turns out for you.
Edit:
So you have:
sub assault, growing swarm, bull netch, bird of prey, shimmering shield, ice fortress, green lotus, arctic blast, soothing spores, living trellis or the other morph, cutting dive, permafrost, trees. Explain how you’re going to fit it all while having enough room for a spammable, vigor, execute, cc, snare removal, dbos, and etc.
It's actually not hard at all to fit sub assault, swarm, netch, wings, ice fortress, arctic blast, and leeching vines on your bars. That gives you on-demand, easy, readily available access to major fracture, major brutality, major resolve, minor heroism, minor vulnerability, major expedition, major mending, minor protection, and minor lifesteal, *edit and major berserk (there's so many I couldn't even remember them all).
That's only 7 active abilities, which still leaves space for your vigor, execute, and a spammable in either cutting dive or dizzy swing. The only thing you're sacrificing from your own class abilities is major savagery from green lotus, which admittedly nobody uses.
The only thing really missing is snare removal. However you still have a free purge and readily available major expedition from abilities which are already going to be on your bars, so you can get by with just keeping a few immovable potions slotted. Although I'll admit I did still use shuffle on my stamden, but it was moreso for the major evasion, which I guess is also another major buff you can add to the buff list above.
Just admit it man, stamdens are pretty great. They're well rounded and have excellent burst, healing, sustain, and passive defense. I wish all the other classes were as well rounded-out at them.
Edited by JayKwellen on September 18, 2020 2:23AMXbox NA - JaeKwellen
AD PvP
Trying to main a magcro. This is awful.4 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭JayKwellen wrote: »I love it when people say that “Stamden has access to all these buffs, multiple burst heals and related burst” Try slotting everything and see how it turns out for you.
Edit:
So you have:
sub assault, growing swarm, bull netch, bird of prey, shimmering shield, ice fortress, green lotus, arctic blast, soothing spores, living trellis or the other morph, cutting dive, permafrost, trees. Explain how you’re going to fit it all while having enough room for a spammable, vigor, execute, cc, snare removal, dbos, and etc.
It's actually not hard at all to fit sub assault, swarm, netch, wings, ice fortress, arctic blast, and leeching vines on your bars. That gives you on-demand, easy, readily available access to major fracture, major brutality, major resolve, minor heroism, minor vulnerability, major expedition, major mending, minor protection, and minor lifesteal, *edit and major berserk (there's so many I couldn't even remember them all).
That's only 7 active abilities, which still leaves space for your vigor, execute, and a spammable in either cutting dive or dizzy swing. The only thing you're sacrificing from your own class abilities is major savagery from green lotus, which admittedly nobody uses.
The only thing really missing is snare removal. However you still have a free purge and readily available major expedition from abilities which are already going to be on your bars, so you can get by with just keeping a few immovable potions slotted. Although I'll admit I did still use shuffle on my stamden, but it was moreso for the major evasion, which I guess is also another major buff you can add to the buff list above.
Just admit it man, stamdens are pretty great. They're well rounded and have excellent burst, healing, sustain, and passive defense. I wish all the other classes were as well rounded-out at them.
On my stamden I already do have netch, Vigor, ice fortress, shuffle, arctic blast, trees Sub, Birds, spammable, flies and on demand cc on my bars and it works well.
My point was not you can not make a good Stamden build neither was that Stamden is in a bad spot. The point was that it is imposible to make a good Stamden build AND have ALL the buffs it has effectively as you pointed out too.
Also Wardens do not have access to major berserk or minor heroism in their class skills (major heroism yes via shimmering and minor berserk yes via wings)
PS
Immovables only protect against ccs, not snares and not roots.0 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pauld1_ESO wrote: »Ariades_swe wrote: »Considering OP is a stamblade, the best solo stamina class in the game atm with arguably the best offense and defensive toolkit in the game when outnumbered I assume he's running solo and gets killed by these mythic stamdens in a 1v1 when he tries to gank them.
I'm sorry but if you die to a stamden with an open world build in a 1v1 you're mediocre.
Stamdens are excellent pubstompers killing zerglings that gets too hungry for a kill with their telegraphed burst.
First of all I do consider myself mediocre, never claimed to be a pro. And thank you for making my point....I can solo entire teams in BGs with my Stamden and I am not even that good rofl.
I can confirm I was doing 16+ kill bgs on my stamden when I didn't even play it for a year, and my buffs kept falling off.
It's a very technical class that takes years to learn btw.1 -
Abhaya✭✭✭✭JayKwellen wrote: »I love it when people say that “Stamden has access to all these buffs, multiple burst heals and related burst” Try slotting everything and see how it turns out for you.
Edit:
So you have:
sub assault, growing swarm, bull netch, bird of prey, shimmering shield, ice fortress, green lotus, arctic blast, soothing spores, living trellis or the other morph, cutting dive, permafrost, trees. Explain how you’re going to fit it all while having enough room for a spammable, vigor, execute, cc, snare removal, dbos, and etc.
It's actually not hard at all to fit sub assault, swarm, netch, wings, ice fortress, arctic blast, and leeching vines on your bars. That gives you on-demand, easy, readily available access to major fracture, major brutality, major resolve, minor heroism, minor vulnerability, major expedition, major mending, minor protection, and minor lifesteal, *edit and major berserk (there's so many I couldn't even remember them all).
That's only 7 active abilities, which still leaves space for your vigor, execute, and a spammable in either cutting dive or dizzy swing. The only thing you're sacrificing from your own class abilities is major savagery from green lotus, which admittedly nobody uses.
The only thing really missing is snare removal. However you still have a free purge and readily available major expedition from abilities which are already going to be on your bars, so you can get by with just keeping a few immovable potions slotted. Although I'll admit I did still use shuffle on my stamden, but it was moreso for the major evasion, which I guess is also another major buff you can add to the buff list above.
Just admit it man, stamdens are pretty great. They're well rounded and have excellent burst, healing, sustain, and passive defense. I wish all the other classes were as well rounded-out at them.
On my stamden I already do have netch, Vigor, ice fortress, shuffle, arctic blast, trees Sub, Birds, spammable, flies and on demand cc on my bars and it works well.
My point was not you can not make a good Stamden build neither was that Stamden is in a bad spot. The point was that it is imposible to make a good Stamden build AND have ALL the buffs it has effectively as you pointed out too.
Also Wardens do not have access to major berserk or minor heroism in their class skills (major heroism yes via shimmering and minor berserk yes via wings)
PS
Immovables only protect against ccs, not snares and not roots.
Must be tough having so many good skills that you have to pick and choose which ones to use.Abhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
Stam Sorc 2-Hand / Bow Build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=1691035 -
JayKwellen✭✭✭✭✭On my stamden I already do have netch, Vigor, ice fortress, shuffle, arctic blast, trees Sub, Birds, spammable, flies and on demand cc on my bars and it works well.
My point was not you can not make a good Stamden build neither was that Stamden is in a bad spot. The point was that it is imposible to make a good Stamden build AND have ALL the buffs it has effectively as you pointed out too.
Also Wardens do not have access to major berserk or minor heroism in their class skills (major heroism yes via shimmering and minor berserk yes via wings)
PS
Immovables only protect against ccs, not snares and not roots.
You right about heroism and berserk - I was thinking minor berserk, which I got mixed up, and minor toughness which I forgot about completely and mixed up with heroism...which I also forgot came from shimmering. There's so many it's hard to keep them all straight! It's been a couple months since I played my stamden so things start to fade. Honestly though, it would probably be easier to just make a list of the buffs stamdens don't have access too.
But yes, I'll agree it's difficult/impossible to have them all. I mean, it's basically the perfect example of the paradox of choice. So many options but so little space, which one to choose? It's still very easy though to have most of them though while maintaining a viable and otherwise well balanced build.
Truth be told, I'm honestly just hella bitter because I main a magblade is all. Compared to my stamden all I get from my class kit is minor vulnerability, major resolve, and minor maim. There is major defile too, but only on the ultimate if you use it. Technically there's also passive minor savagery, but obviously that's useless as a magblade. Unlike wardens most of our useful and PvP necessary buffs were either taken away completely (vitality, berserk), or are locked behind class abilities which are not viable for PvP outside of very niche builds (expedition on path[lol], major berserk/breach behind mark target[lol] snare removal and evasion on blur, sorcery on sap essence, vitality on soul siphon, and major protection on consuming darkness [be honest, when was the last time you saw this ulti and knew what it was or how to use it?]) Because of this, plus all the other essential things the class is missing, it means I'm reliant on using a combination of potions, guild/world skills, and 1 specific weapon to be able to patchwork together a semi-functional build, which is quite frustrating. So when I look at and experience everything wardens have I just feel extremely jealous, after which I get all bitter and jaded and brooding.Edited by JayKwellen on September 18, 2020 6:59AMXbox NA - JaeKwellen
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Zekka✭✭✭✭I agree.
At this point I'm just as tired of 30k+ hp (in *** no CP battlegrounds...) stamden frauds running all the same *** as I am of magsorcs.
Tone their healing down a little or add a weapon/spell penalty past a certain amount of hp in battle spirit.1 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I agree.
At this point I'm just as tired of 30k+ hp (in *** no CP battlegrounds...) stamden frauds running all the same *** as I am of magsorcs.
Tone their healing down a little or add a weapon/spell penalty past a certain amount of hp in battle spirit.
We were promised to have new scaling mechanism long ago. Either it will be part of next year CP overhaul or just abandoned. I vote for 2nd.0 -
pauld1_ESO✭✭✭✭I love it when people say t
I love it when people defend the class wich able to deal 6k sub assaults in heavy armor and 27k hp NO CP.
Only once glance required to see that stuff as completely broken balance.
Most mmorpgs have simple rule - you go full defence means lower damage, you go full damage means lower defence.
And only in ESO some classes can go both and still perform as tanky and bursty unit in the same time.
Hard to argue with eso "veteran pvpers" when all their lifetime xperience is broken teso pvp and mario cart/zelda journey.
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[Edited to remove Baiting]
Facts man, and absolutely the premise of this thread. I play NB because the playstyle fits me, Stamden does not. Even though on my Stamden I don't have to work nearly as hard as I do on my NB.0 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭JayKwellen wrote: »On my stamden I already do have netch, Vigor, ice fortress, shuffle, arctic blast, trees Sub, Birds, spammable, flies and on demand cc on my bars and it works well.
My point was not you can not make a good Stamden build neither was that Stamden is in a bad spot. The point was that it is imposible to make a good Stamden build AND have ALL the buffs it has effectively as you pointed out too.
Also Wardens do not have access to major berserk or minor heroism in their class skills (major heroism yes via shimmering and minor berserk yes via wings)
PS
Immovables only protect against ccs, not snares and not roots.
You right about heroism and berserk - I was thinking minor berserk, which I got mixed up, and minor toughness which I forgot about completely and mixed up with heroism...which I also forgot came from shimmering. There's so many it's hard to keep them all straight! It's been a couple months since I played my stamden so things start to fade. Honestly though, it would probably be easier to just make a list of the buffs stamdens don't have access too.
But yes, I'll agree it's difficult/impossible to have them all. I mean, it's basically the perfect example of the paradox of choice. So many options but so little space, which one to choose? It's still very easy though to have most of them though while maintaining a viable and otherwise well balanced build.
Truth be told, I'm honestly just hella bitter because I main a magblade is all. Compared to my stamden all I get from my class kit is minor vulnerability, major resolve, and minor maim. There is major defile too, but only on the ultimate if you use it. Technically there's also passive minor savagery, but obviously that's useless as a magblade. Unlike wardens most of our useful and PvP necessary buffs were either taken away completely (vitality, berserk), or are locked behind class abilities which are not viable for PvP outside of very niche builds (expedition on path[lol], major berserk/breach behind mark target[lol] snare removal and evasion on blur, sorcery on sap essence, vitality on soul siphon, and major protection on consuming darkness [be honest, when was the last time you saw this ulti and knew what it was or how to use it?]) Because of this, plus all the other essential things the class is missing, it means I'm reliant on using a combination of potions, guild/world skills, and 1 specific weapon to be able to patchwork together a semi-functional build, which is quite frustrating. So when I look at and experience everything wardens have I just feel extremely jealous, after which I get all bitter and jaded and brooding.
My main isn’t Stamden in fact it’s my 3rd most played class behind sorc and nb and tied with templar. Also I forgot about the fact that corrupting pollen has aoe major defile, yet another skill to add to the list XD.1 -
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✭We are in the middle of a mobility favoured meta(For small scale players), stamsorc with eternal vigor and sugar skulls has infinite sustain and can easily have over 2k health recov whilst moving around with major and minor expedition spamming convert, giving insane stam recov with a decent burst heal, every time one gets low, 2 streaks/bol and has given the time to spam 3-4 converts giving a huge amount of healing and more stam back than using a pot.0 -
Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭We are in the middle of a mobility favoured meta(For small scale players), stamsorc with eternal vigor and sugar skulls has infinite sustain and can easily have over 2k health recov whilst moving around with major and minor expedition spamming convert, giving insane stam recov with a decent burst heal, every time one gets low, 2 streaks/bol and has given the time to spam 3-4 converts giving a huge amount of healing and more stam back than using a pot.
Agreed eternal vigor and sugarskulls opens up alot of alot for stamclasses with good magicka utility skills
My dk can spam fossilise and cauterise all day long which makes him extremely potent if used right.
Stamden can can spam arctic blast etc.
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Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭What builds are you guys using for your stamdens....I fight some unkillable ones (tanky and dealing a ton of damage). I’m terrible at playing one and hate to fight one!!!0