Should WW Behemoth be playable outside dungeons?

Ryuvain

Think of it being added as an alternative ultimate to normal werewolf. But with several differences:

1. It keeps the long transformation animation because it serves as an ult warning.
2. It's much stronger and tougher than werewolf but slower. Your dash attack move would be your main mobility.
3. Because it's so slow it would be immune to roots and pulls completely. Stuns and other cc still apply.
4. And it's only useable after getting werewolf mastery completed. Showing it's supposed to be a mastered form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxKoBd72yfs
Here's a video I found showing off it's moves. Numbers would be lowered obviously.

I asked this on pts before its release, but now I want to see what non-pts players think too.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/537992/werewolf-behemoth-skills-pts-spoilers
Older pts thread.

Feels bad that it may just be left to rot in a dungeon when it's the coolest thing I've seen in this game since wolfhunter introduced them. I wanted them playable even way back then, but since they have a moveset it wouldnt be too hard to make them truly playable to players now.

Froil

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

While I think it would be cool, would it be like a replacement ultimate for werewolf or just a morph? A wholly different line entirely?

Ryuvain

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

Froil wrote: »

While I think it would be cool, would it be like a replacement ultimate for werewolf or just a morph? A wholly different line entirely?

Like an alternative ult for werewolf.

Kory

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

I would just appreciate a model change. I would love my werewolf to look like Balorgh.
Maybe scale the werewolf form up and let us put some tattoos on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6QXp3vWyUk

Wuuffyy

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

300 ult at rank 4 to get to werewolf and then from being in werewolf 300 ult.

Finedaible

No, I don't think Behemoth should be a normal thing outside of the dungeon. However I do find it odd they have no qualms about creating a whole new skill line solely for the purpose of one dungeon yet spend years trying to create a semi-baked skill-line (like Psijic's) for general combat and game-play content.

Ryuvain

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

Finedaible wrote: »

No, I don't think Behemoth should be a normal thing outside of the dungeon. However I do find it odd they have no qualms about creating a whole new skill line solely for the purpose of one dungeon yet spend years trying to create a semi-baked skill-line (like Psijic's) for general combat and game-play content.

It is really odd how much work they put into it. That's another reason why I think all that work shouldn't be wasted in a one-time dungeon.

Kory

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

If anything, let us use the Werewolf Behemoth in more newly created dungeons.

Hotdog_23

Other, let us introduce ourselves.

I think this is a one-time thing. The dungeon crew having fun and using something already in game for a but of something different and fun.

While very cool if would be just to crazy in PVP.

Wuuffyy

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

I think this is a one-time thing. The dungeon crew having fun and using something already in game for a but of something different and fun.

While very cool if would be just to crazy in PVP.

All you would need to do is adjust values.

As it stands right now with the right values the disadvantages would weigh in with the advantages... disadvantages like making you a huge target, and with very slow movement. Both of which are very anti-pvp making it niche like current werewolf but fun with situational advantages that make it good.

Ryuvain

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

I think this is a one-time thing. The dungeon crew having fun and using something already in game for a but of something different and fun.

While very cool if would be just to crazy in PVP.

All you would need to do is adjust values.

As it stands right now with the right values the disadvantages would weigh in with the advantages... disadvantages like making you a huge target, and with very slow movement. Both of which are very anti-pvp making it niche like current werewolf but fun with situational advantages that make it good.

Exactly. It could even keep high damage since it gives a huge warning with the transform animation. It's longer than blood scion and people already walk away from that one.

Behemoth would be extremely tanky and damaging but with very low mobility. It would be a good ally ult if they keep up cc on your targets for you.

ajkb78

But what would you replace? Both pack leader and berserker are actual useful morphs. Or are you advocating introducing a third morph option? (Personally I think there are several skills that are absolutely crying out for a third morph.)
I'm not quite convinced in this case, unless normal werewolf form became a toggle (which I'd quite like to see anyway) and this was the (timed) ultimate available when in ww form.

Ryuvain

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

ajkb78 wrote: »

But what would you replace? Both pack leader and berserker are actual useful morphs. Or are you advocating introducing a third morph option? (Personally I think there are several skills that are absolutely crying out for a third morph.)
I'm not quite convinced in this case, unless normal werewolf form became a toggle (which I'd quite like to see anyway) and this was the (timed) ultimate available when in ww form.

Actually it would be a different ult for werewolf, not a morph. Like do you slot werewolf or behemoth on your loadout?

Still only usable for werewolf. That would allow behemoth to have it's own morphs too.

Kory

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

After using the Goliath ult for Necromancer, I think this Behemoth ability is entirety reasonable....
Wow the Bone Goliath is strong, even in pvp I've had people use it and they are unkillable unless the group focuses on them.

Ryuvain

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

Kory wrote: »

After using the Goliath ult for Necromancer, I think this Behemoth ability is entirety reasonable....
Wow the Bone Goliath is strong, even in pvp I've had people use it and they are unkillable unless the group focuses on them.

Even better is that it's already done. It just needs some numbers tuning and it would work easily. I could see it being strong but slow.

TankHealz2015

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

Third Werewolf ultimate morph- specifically for tanking!

Behemoth = WW Tank
Pack Leader = WW support
Beserker = WW DPS

RGvolterra

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

The werewolf skill line needs a overhaul in order to be equally competitive to the Goliath and Vampire scion transformation. The werewolf size should be increased as the idea behind the transformation should be something overwhelming in terms of combat ( dps and resilience ) since they are BEASTS. ESO should accommodate different ww transformations in order to fit the requirements for PVP and PVE creating a more interesting and unforgettable playtime.

Ryuvain

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

RGvolterra wrote: »

The werewolf skill line needs a overhaul in order to be equally competitive to the Goliath and Vampire scion transformation. The werewolf size should be increased as the idea behind the transformation should be something overwhelming in terms of combat ( dps and resilience ) since they are BEASTS. ESO should accommodate different ww transformations in order to fit the requirements for PVP and PVE creating a more interesting and unforgettable playtime.

Thats exactly how I felt. It may work atm but it's size is so underwhelming. You basically don't even gain height.

Regardless of how vampire works now, the graphics of it are so much better than werewolf. You almost double your size when using scion. Not to mention that they have an advanced form. Werewolf only has the base form, so they don't get any kind of rank or power more than the average werewolf.

Doesn't help that they put werewolf behemoth in everything as enemies and 1 dungeon where its playable. ZOS wouldn't even need to do much besides add it and change around numbers.

erio

No, too big for smash.

"large transformation" ultis are just so annoying in pvp. No one enjoys long periods of time where your target is unkillable or mega boosted stat wise

Ryuvain

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

erio wrote: »

"large transformation" ultis are just so annoying in pvp. No one enjoys long periods of time where your target is unkillable or mega boosted stat wise

That's because vampire and goliath are on short timers. Behemoth would be slow and kitable along with not having a free healing aoe. They also get all mobility options for weapons and classes.

Who says it will be unkillable? Have you played the new dungeon? It's killable there even.
It's not even made truly playable yet either so how do you know it would be like that?

mrkurokishi

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

I think that Behemoth would be an awesome addition.

Like stated earlier, a model and skill line is already there. ZOS would need to figure out numbers for skills

I don't see any negatives of making Behemoth playable outside of the dungeon

Ryuvain

Yes please, werewolf go bonk.

mrkurokishi wrote: »

I think that Behemoth would be an awesome addition.

Like stated earlier, a model and skill line is already there. ZOS would need to figure out numbers for skills

I don't see any negatives of making Behemoth playable outside of the dungeon

Fully agree. The fact that it's basically already done makes it even more painful knowing that it's just sitting there ready to be used.

They put so much work into it too.