Sorcery Tanking - Pet Heal Viable?

Lab3360 · August 2020

Now that pets can die, are sorcery tanks still viable in trials and vet dlc dungeons?

Jeremy · August 2020

Lab3360 wrote: »

Now that pets can die, are sorcery tanks still viable in trials and vet dlc dungeons?

I did Veteran Bloodroot Forge the other day with a sorcerers tank and she was pretty awesome.

So I would say yes.

Lab3360 · August 2020

Jeremy wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Now that pets can die, are sorcery tanks still viable in trials and vet dlc dungeons?

I did Veteran Bloodroot Forge the other day with a sorcerers tank and she was pretty awesome.

So I would say yes.

Did you use any of the pets for self heal?

ZaroktheImmortal · August 2020

Hmm not sure how sorcs do as tanks

ZaroktheImmortal · August 2020

I went with dragonknight for tank they've got a lot of good abilities that fit tanks.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · August 2020

I have a sorc Tank pet change is not notable if you are on top of your heals and shields

CaffeinatedMayhem · August 2020

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

I went with dragonknight for tank they've got a lot of good abilities that fit tanks.

Sorc has a lot of good tanking skills too: encase, pets, dark deal/exchange, mines, curse, negate. Just need silver leash like any other class besides DK.

actosh · August 2020

Lab3360 wrote: »

Now that pets can die, are sorcery tanks still viable in trials and vet dlc dungeons?

Source?

UntilValhalla13 · August 2020

Sorcs are amazing tanks, especially in dlc vet trials. Their mitigation is disgusting. It makes zmaja's heavy attack hit like a wet noodle.

Lab3360 · August 2020

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

Sorcs are amazing tanks, especially in dlc vet trials. Their mitigation is disgusting. It makes zmaja's heavy attack hit like a wet noodle.

That's what I needed to know. Thank you very much. Will be rolling per tank tonight.
Do they die a lot in combat?

Amunari · August 2020

Sorcs tank fine, but you should know its more a dps-tank then dk's tanking. Dk has far more damage reduction, and warden more healing.

So its a trade off of some damage that can be taken for aoe/dps. Imo, sorc tanking is stupid fun.

Lab3360 · August 2020

Amunari wrote: »

Sorcs tank fine, but you should know its more a dps-tank then dk's tanking. Dk has far more damage reduction, and warden more healing.

So its a trade off of some damage that can be taken for aoe/dps. Imo, sorc tanking is stupid fun.

Dont sorcs have 40 block mitigation skill Bond Aegis?

Rebiludo · August 2020

Pets can die in pve contents ?

Lab3360 · August 2020

Rebiludo wrote: »

Pets can die in pve contents ?

Yes. They have health bars and have been that way for over a year.

actosh · August 2020

Lab3360 wrote: »

Rebiludo wrote: »

Pets can die in pve contents ?

Yes. They have health bars and have been that way for over a year.

Wow......cant remember that my pet ever died in trials/vet dlc´s.

Lab3360 · August 2020

actosh wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Rebiludo wrote: »

Pets can die in pve contents ?

Yes. They have health bars and have been that way for over a year.

Wow......cant remember that my pet ever died in trials/vet dlc´s.

Really? I'm pretty sure pets can die unless devs reverted changes. Do pets not have health bars anymore? Its been a long time since I had a sorc tank with pet. If I am wrong, I sure would like to know.. I want to be wrong on this one. In the past I love sorc tanking. Was my favorite

UntilValhalla13 · August 2020

Lab3360 wrote: »

Amunari wrote: »

Sorcs tank fine, but you should know its more a dps-tank then dk's tanking. Dk has far more damage reduction, and warden more healing.

So its a trade off of some damage that can be taken for aoe/dps. Imo, sorc tanking is stupid fun.

Dont sorcs have 40 block mitigation skill Bond Aegis?

Yes. You pop it right before the big attack and it barely scratches you.

Olupajmibanan · August 2020

Lab3360 wrote: »

Rebiludo wrote: »

Pets can die in pve contents ?

Yes. They have health bars and have been that way for over a year.

Pets do not take any damage in Dungeons and Trials. If I am not mistaken, the only exception is vMA where pets continue to take damage. Pets were made invincible in dungeons and trials the very same patch when they made pets not being targetable by dangerous mechanics such as Exhaustive Charges in Asylum Sanctorium.

DropDeadGorgeous · August 2020

My beautiful pet was dying in Ruins of Mazzatun last boss, to big yellow projection of previous boss.

Jaimeh · August 2020

The clannfear is fine for the most part, though some mechanics can wipe it, so I would advise having a second heal, just in case (I use echoing vigor, and if I have slotted dark deal, that's also nice, though not for emergencies, since it's a channel). Also, if you die, remember you have to recast the pet--I've gone into fights after wipes, forgetting that

I wish sorc tanks didn't have to rely on the pet for a flat, non-conditional insta-heal. It's expensive, it takes two slots, it's clanky to cast, it dies... not a great solution.

Dragonredux · August 2020

Yeah burst heal could be improved but i consider it a trade off considering Bound Aegis and Dark Deal are busted for a tank and I love it.

Lab3360 · August 2020

Dragonredux wrote: »

Yeah burst heal could be improved but i consider it a trade off considering Bound Aegis and Dark Deal are busted for a tank and I love it.

Does bound Aegis not work?

Astrid · August 2020

Lab3360 wrote: »

Dragonredux wrote: »

Yeah burst heal could be improved but i consider it a trade off considering Bound Aegis and Dark Deal are busted for a tank and I love it.

Does bound Aegis not work?

It does, endless resources and stupidly high block mitigation.

ForzaRammer · August 2020

better question, what kind of sorc tank don't use pet heal?
pet heal is health scaling

Lab3360 · September 2020

I took my sorcery tank into Kalgorns Keep in Rivenspire. The Clanfere died a lot. Does the Matriarch take just as much damage or less because of flight and positioning?

Olupajmibanan · September 2020

Lab3360 wrote: »

I took my sorcery tank into Kalgorns Keep in Rivenspire. The Clanfere died a lot. Does the Matriarch take just as much damage or less because of flight and positioning?

Pets are invincible only and only in dungeons and trials (maelstrom arena excluded). In overland or PvP they can die very easily.

Lab3360 · September 2020

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

I took my sorcery tank into Kalgorns Keep in Rivenspire. The Clanfere died a lot. Does the Matriarch take just as much damage or less because of flight and positioning?

Pets are invincible only and only in dungeons and trials (maelstrom arena excluded). In overland or PvP they can die very easily.

Thank you for that. So, I cant test the build in overland. Tha I you for that big piece of info. I was completely unaware of that.

Jeremy · September 2020

Lab3360 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Now that pets can die, are sorcery tanks still viable in trials and vet dlc dungeons?

I did Veteran Bloodroot Forge the other day with a sorcerers tank and she was pretty awesome.

So I would say yes.

Did you use any of the pets for self heal?

It wasn't me playing her but another person. I was healing. I can't remember if or what pet she used, sorry. I want to say the dinosaur thing but I'm not 100% sure of that. All I remember for sure is she tanked it like a boss. I was impressed.

Lab3360 · September 2020

Jeremy wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Now that pets can die, are sorcery tanks still viable in trials and vet dlc dungeons?

I did Veteran Bloodroot Forge the other day with a sorcerers tank and she was pretty awesome.

So I would say yes.

Did you use any of the pets for self heal?

It wasn't me playing her but another person. I was healing. I can't remember if or what pet she used, sorry. I want to say the dinosaur thing but I'm not 100% sure of that. All I remember for sure is she tanked it like a boss. I was impressed.

Thanks bud. I'm very excited about bringing my sorcery tank back off the bench and active again

Elwendryll · September 2020

The amount of misinformation is staggering.

As others pointed out, Sorc tanks are amazing. They have the highest achieveable mitigation, basically infinite sustain through dark deal, and a very strong heal with the clannfear. If I crit I can go from 20 to 100% health, and unlike the DK heal it doesn't depend on your current health, only max health.

The Clannfear is 100% invulnerable in dungeons and trials.They're not targetable.

I cleared every trial HM, and most of the dungeon achievements, including trifectas, with my main, a sorc tank. It provides a bit less group utility than a DK, but it is better at staying alive, unless we're talking about magma shell.

To give you an idea on the extra mitigation Bound Aegis provides. Let's say a blocked hit does 113 000 damage to me, with Bound Aegis up, that would "only" deal 48 000 damage, that's almost a 60% reduction on the final damage. I can show you the calculations and mitigation% on my build if you want, because that's hard to believe at first.

Olupajmibanan · September 2020

Elwendryll wrote: »

The amount of misinformation is staggering.

As others pointed out, Sorc tanks are amazing. They have the highest achieveable mitigation, basically infinite sustain through dark deal, and a very strong heal with the clannfear. If I crit I can go from 20 to 100% health, and unlike the DK heal it doesn't depend on your current health, only max health.

The Clannfear is 100% invulnerable in dungeons and trials.They're not targetable.

I cleared every trial HM, and most of the dungeon achievements, including trifectas, with my main, a sorc tank. It provides a bit less group utility than a DK, but it is better at staying alive, unless we're talking about magma shell.

To give you an idea on the extra mitigation Bound Aegis provides. Let's say a blocked hit does 113 000 damage to me, with Bound Aegis up, that would "only" deal 48 000 damage, that's almost a 60% reduction on the final damage. I can show you the calculations and mitigation% on my build if you want, because that's hard to believe at first.

The problem is if that much mitigation is needed and worth. Let's take an example - Lord Falgravn HM execute phase.

Normally, you must block each LA and roll-dodge each HA. If Bound Aegis is enough to survive HA just with block up, than it's good and makes the encounter much easier. If it's not enough and the HA still kills you with Bound Aegis up and you have to roll dodge it anyways, than it's pointless. And that's my question towards you, which case is true? Will HM Flgravn's HA kill you during execute phase even with Bound Aegis up? We've only done it with NB and DK main tanks, so I am curious wheter sorc would have it easier thanks to not having to roll-dodge heavies.