TES3

thalosdaedra

find TES3

RazielSR

Every TES sp game is millions tons better than ESO.

dsalter

im more annoyed that Khajiit and Argonian were retconned to no longer be "beast" races in that they can now wear boots and full helmets, you know, instead of specific special helmets tailored to beast races?
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TwinLamps

TES III is my fav TES related game.
I really liked storyline there.

Gythral

TwinLamps wrote: »

TES III is my fav TES related game.
I really liked storyline there.

Prefer Arena & Daggerfall but of the ture 3D games, Morrowind is the best, just really need to look to see if a new mod sorts the humanoid models out, as the originals are a bit too 'sitck insect' & wodden now...

dsalter

Gythral wrote: »

TwinLamps wrote: »

TES III is my fav TES related game.
I really liked storyline there.

Prefer Arena & Daggerfall but of the ture 3D games, Morrowind is the best, just really need to look to see if a new mod sorts the humanoid models out, as the originals are a bit too 'sitck insect' & wodden now...

morrowind has more of that "exotic" feel to it, daggerfall was fun and interesting but the world outside of towns/dungeons was pretty empty

Nairinhe

I see only one "natures mistake creature" here...

Raisin

MAKIN MY WAY DOWNTOWN

dsalter

Raisin wrote: »

MAKIN MY WAY DOWNTOWN

always bothered me that khajiit walked the exact same way since cats can infact bend their back legs pretty well giving them that finesse and slick movement cats have but that would have been more work and morrowind if i recall ran on a much smaller budget than oblivion did

Athan1

People typically find older games better because of nostalgia and conditioning. Most of the time, newer games are better because they have all features of the old games, plus a lot more. Additionally, better quality graphics. Game design might be worse tho, and newer games are easier than old ones.

SeaGtGruff

Well, if you want to talk about "authenticity" or "faithfulness" to the lore as far as the appearances of the different races, you should probably go all the way back to TES:Arena since it established the basic, initial lore for the entire series. And by Arena standards, the Argonians and Khajiit of the later TES games are more beast-like throwbacks compared to the more human-like examples seen in Arena.

Personally, I think the Khajiit of ESO look fabulous.

As for TES games in general, I enjoy each game for its own merits and on its own grounds, rather than forcing myself to pick a favorite. I might add that I haven't played Daggerfall, Redguard, or Battlespire yet, although I've watched several streamers on Twitch playing Daggerfall, so I'm somewhat familiar with how it looks (both the original game and the Unity remake).

But one thing I find interesting is how playing one TES game will make me nostalgic for another TES game for various reasons. To an extent it might be because of something related to gameplay, but often it's just a desire to travel from one game's environment to another's, such as going from Cyrodiil to Vvardenfell, ir from Vvardenfell to Skyrim.

That's one of the reasons I love ESO as much as I do-- it makes that dream a reality.

Alienoutlaw

that was so hard to read

Daemons_Bane

I loved, and still love, morrowind.. But I would not love getting the graphics of that game implemented into eso

VaranisArano

You like what you like. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

And yes, ESO started development after the success of Oblivion and models its UI more after Skyrim, particularly the quest bar and lack of minimap. This shouldn't be surprising as those two games are newer and much more mainstream than TES3. Plus, its kinda hard to argue with the success of Skyrim.

When you talk about what TES players expect when it comes to Khajiit and Argonians, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of current players expect Skyrim-style beast races.

redgreensunset

As someone who recently reinstalled TESIII and am loving every minute of it, no. Sorry but the graphcs of the game is ridiculous and I have breakdowns giggling on the regular. And Argonians and Khajiit walk [snip]

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Naftal

Athan1 wrote: »

People typically find older games better because of nostalgia and conditioning. Most of the time, newer games are better because they have all features of the old games, plus a lot more. Additionally, better quality graphics. Game design might be worse tho, and newer games are easier than old ones.

They remove features in every TES game...

Knootewoot

Naftal wrote: »

Athan1 wrote: »

People typically find older games better because of nostalgia and conditioning. Most of the time, newer games are better because they have all features of the old games, plus a lot more. Additionally, better quality graphics. Game design might be worse tho, and newer games are easier than old ones.

They remove features in every TES game...

Haha, indeed.

Daggerfall has SO MANY features. Wall climbing, horse riding and so much more compared to Morrowind.
But Morrowind has waaaay more then Oblivion. Oblivion for example missed medium armor, spears, crossbows, levitating, good NPC conversations etc
Skyrim has even less, but was more polished then Oblivion. But I found Oblivion more TES then Skyrim.

But i liked all games. I did not include Arena as it is to long ago for me to remember. I do know it had nudity (medusa and some half naked [snip]) as had Daggerfall (strip down clothes so see yur char naked, topless [snip] and witches and those nymphs.)

TES went from a hardcore fully adult game with real depth, to a shallow easy accesible game. Which i understand, as they want to sell more copies of course so widen the audience. And murdering people in a city is not as worse as some pixelated boobs apperently.

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Raisin

I do miss digitigrade legs on Argonians specifically, but the truth of the matter is that they abandoned that concept long ago, not just for ESO. All we've got is our faithful modders to implement them in singleplayer games. I also personally play TES III with a lot of mods, at which point it's quite a beautiful game. I can only play ESO on minimum graphics, so sometimes it feels like my modded Morrowind looks better than ESO.
One of the things I personally miss is the keyword system found in dialogue and quest journal. Both systems really grew on me, despite the fact that the quest journal design is questionable in its QOL level. Once you get into it it's really nice though!

I also miss Oblivion's social interaction minigame. That was fun (and the Chest of Gold Game Show is 100% the best Dark Brotherhood quest ever made, as far as I'm concerned).

emilyhyoyeon

I dont want those ugly ass morrowind khajiit/argonian models

gatekeeper13

Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim are all better than ESO. I found ESO cause I wanted a substitute for Skyrim.

It's actually quantity vs quality.

Elsonso

What is sad is that TES 6 will be stripped down from Skyrim and ESO, but will look astounding and sell more than Skyrim.

AcadianPaladin

I have found much enjoyment in Oblivion, Skyrim and ESO all. They are each different in their own right with their own strengths and weaknesses.

mairwen85

None of them have aged particularly well, despite my affection for them. Even skyrim is starting to show its age.

Syldras

Athan1 wrote: »

People typically find older games better because of nostalgia and conditioning. Most of the time, newer games are better because they have all features of the old games, plus a lot more.

You have most probably never played Morrowind.

VaranisArano

Syldras wrote: »

Athan1 wrote: »

People typically find older games better because of nostalgia and conditioning. Most of the time, newer games are better because they have all features of the old games, plus a lot more.

You have most probably never played Morrowind.

I have.
Its got features I really like. Its got great exploration, amazing story, and the sort of text-based lore and direction-giving that can only happen in a game that's not fully voice-acted.

Oblivion and Skyrim simplified many of the game mechanics of Morrowind, and in the doing made TES games more accessible.

Want to use magic from the start without completely specing into magicka? Oblivion and Skyrim removed the failure chance that meant you were practically useless until you ground your skill to 25, and added magicka regen.

Want to move around the world at faster than a snail's pace? Skyrim did that a lot better than Morrowind.

Want to find a quest locale without it being like "the rogue wizard is in a cave in the west wall of the foyada to the north of the round lake between Vivec and Balmora"? Yeah, its no coincidence that quest markers appeared in the first fully voice acted games.

The gameplay features that were lost, by and large, deserved to go away. The games are more accessible without most of them.

Yes, even Spellcrafting. That stuff was broken OP.

BXR_Lonestar

Unfortunately, I never got to play TES III: Morrowind. I picked up a copy for my xbx 360 back in the day and I found that it did not run smoothly, which made me nauseated when I tried to play it.

I hope they remaster it one day so I can go back and play it. I loved Oblivion and Skyrim and played the crap out of both of them before coming to ESO.

Syldras

@VaranisArano I have no problem with fast travel and quest markers (most of the time; I think a quest marker doesn't make sense if your task is to search for a place or an item within a building). What I missed about Oblivion and Skyrim was the whole complexity and the grade of immersion that Morrowind had. But if I get into detail about that (and I could... lengthily), I'm afraid it will be really off-topic. OP was more about the character models of beast races, I think.

josiahva

Athan1 wrote: »

People typically find older games better because of nostalgia and conditioning. Most of the time, newer games are better because they have all features of the old games, plus a lot more. Additionally, better quality graphics. Game design might be worse tho, and newer games are easier than old ones.

Better graphics don't mean much when it comes to games. For example, Final Fatasy III(really Final Fantasy VI, but 3 in the US) was a far better game than 8,9,10, or 11(I think it was better than 7 as well, but that is debatable, I gave up after 11, FF had been garbage for years at that point) even though the later games have lightyears better graphics than the ancient SNES sprites, The combat is smoother and certainly prettier in later games...but for all that...3 is still better. The story was better, the world was bigger, the combat system was better.

Prof_Bawbag

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Well, if you want to talk about "authenticity" or "faithfulness" to the lore as far as the appearances of the different races, you should probably go all the way back to TES:Arena since it established the basic, initial lore for the entire series. And by Arena standards, the Argonians and Khajiit of the later TES games are more beast-like throwbacks compared to the more human-like examples seen in Arena.

Personally, I think the Khajiit of ESO look fabulous.

As for TES games in general, I enjoy each game for its own merits and on its own grounds, rather than forcing myself to pick a favorite. I might add that I haven't played Daggerfall, Redguard, or Battlespire yet, although I've watched several streamers on Twitch playing Daggerfall, so I'm somewhat familiar with how it looks (both the original game and the Unity remake).

But one thing I find interesting is how playing one TES game will make me nostalgic for another TES game for various reasons. To an extent it might be because of something related to gameplay, but often it's just a desire to travel from one game's environment to another's, such as going from Cyrodiil to Vvardenfell, ir from Vvardenfell to Skyrim.

That's one of the reasons I love ESO as much as I do-- it makes that dream a reality.

Daggerfall is one of only 3 games I literally could not finish due to game breaking bugs. I'm assuming fans have sorted the mess out, they always do, but the Daggerfall we got out the box was awful imo. The other 2 games that were unplayable for myself were STALKER Clear Skies and Alpha Protocol. I went back to Morrowind last year and i found it rather bad if truth be told. It was great back yonder, but it's dated badly. The combat was/is awful too. It doesn't feel alive either. A lot of things are static. Works in some BioWare games, but when you're going back the way with TES games, it no longer works. I Don't buy into the "OMFG, Morrowind remains the best experience ..." you see banded around, a lot of them saying it haven't played it for over a decade. Before i get shot down by some, I said "a lot", not "all".

driosketch

Syldras wrote: »

Athan1 wrote: »

People typically find older games better because of nostalgia and conditioning. Most of the time, newer games are better because they have all features of the old games, plus a lot more.

You have most probably never played Morrowind.

I played Morrowind briefly before Oblivion came out. Its setting was too different from the other TES games I had played. I liked Daggerfall and Oblivion better.

Syldras

driosketch wrote: »

I played Morrowind briefly before Oblivion came out. Its setting was too different from the other ESO games I had played. I liked Daggerfall and Oblivion better.

You may like what you want, but that wasn't the point. I was replying to Athan who wrote that newer games would include everything older games have, plus more. And that's definitively not the case with TES, where every successor lost elements the previous game still had.

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I Don't buy into the "OMFG, Morrowind remains the best experience ..." you see banded around, a lot of them saying it haven't played it for over a decade. Before i get shot down by some, I said "a lot", not "all".

Probably depends on what your expectations are when you're playing a game. Some people are most interested in realistic graphics and movie-like storytelling, other can't stand long cutscenes and prefer in-depth lore texts. In my personal opinion, neither Oblivion nor Skyrim showed Cyrodiil's/Skyrim's culture that much in detail as Morrowind did it with the Dunmer.