Addons and the TOS... I'm confused, isn't Lazy Writ addon automating writs? How is it allowed?

Linaleah

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

I've pretty much gotten the answer I expected from the forums.

Its allowed because it uses the API to automate the process and do all the work for you and its always been like this and they haven't changed it, which makes it fine and totally not against the spirit of the game.

The reason we dont have Add-ons on consoles is because Sony and Microsoft will literally explode if we dont. Console players obviously only pay half of what PC gamers pay, and other games that have addons or mods simply don't exist on console so like Fallout 4 and Skyrim.

every time I try to give you a benefit of a doubt, you go and say something like this. and double down. at this point I have no chance to assume that you are NOT trying to achieve anything positive for consoles by using troll tactics and instead just trolling because you can.

and no, the addon is NOT doing all the work. you don't get to craft just by walking up to a station, you have to come up to a correct station, with correct materials and you DO have to push a button.

I refuse to believe changes only happen because we're nice and polite on the forums. It just sounds like you're looking for an excuse and latching on to any small thing you can find.

no honey. there is a difference between asking for a change that would be an improvement to a situation and attacking people and saying that they are cheaters and shouldn't have what they have. because THAT is what you are doing. don't even pretend otherwise, too many of your replies are of that nature.

you are literally acting like a neighbor from a parable who was offered a wish and instead of wishing for a donkey of their own, they wished that neighbor they were jealous of, didn't have a donkey either. that is NOT how you get features that you want added, and it has NOTHING to do with whether you are nice or not.

coming from the "if I don't have it, neither should you" perspective - will NOT get you a change you say you are looking for.

Fur_like_snow

We’ve given the answer and the sensible alternative(putting that dusty console in the closet). He could literally solve his problems today by getting the addon and switching to PC.

PizzaCat82

Linaleah wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

I've pretty much gotten the answer I expected from the forums.

Its allowed because it uses the API to automate the process and do all the work for you and its always been like this and they haven't changed it, which makes it fine and totally not against the spirit of the game.

The reason we dont have Add-ons on consoles is because Sony and Microsoft will literally explode if we dont. Console players obviously only pay half of what PC gamers pay, and other games that have addons or mods simply don't exist on console so like Fallout 4 and Skyrim.

every time I try to give you a benefit of a doubt, you go and say something like this. and double down. at this point I have no chance to assume that you are NOT trying to achieve anything positive for consoles by using troll tactics and instead just trolling because you can.

and no, the addon is NOT doing all the work. you don't get to craft just by walking up to a station, you have to come up to a correct station, with correct materials and you DO have to push a button.

I refuse to believe changes only happen because we're nice and polite on the forums. It just sounds like you're looking for an excuse and latching on to any small thing you can find.

no honey. there is a difference between asking for a change that would be an improvement to a situation and attacking people and saying that they are cheaters and shouldn't have what they have. because THAT is what you are doing. don't even pretend otherwise, too many of your replies are of that nature.

you are literally acting like a neighbor from a parable who was offered a wish and instead of wishing for a donkey of their own, they wished that neighbor they were jealous of, didn't have a donkey either. that is NOT how you get features that you want added, and it has NOTHING to do with whether you are nice or not.

coming from the "if I don't have it, neither should you" perspective - will NOT get you a change you say you are looking for.

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

We’ve given the answer and the sensible alternative(putting that dusty console in the closet). He could literally solve his problems today by getting the addon and switching to PC.

I didn't come here looking to switch to PC to fix all my problems, sensible as it may seem to you. The fact that everyone here thinks I'm calling them cheaters and want to take away the only thing making crafting bearable for them says a whole lot about the current situation.

Looking back through the thread, there's a least a few people who admit that its needs a lot of improvement. And a whole lot of posters who felt the need to attack me personally. I'm used to that, seems to happen a lot around here.

Linaleah

Jeremy wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

If it was something the devs wanted to have on the base game it would have been implemented by now.

it literally took them 5 years to implement multicraft and search function. it does NOT mean they didn't want it in game until recently. it means it takes them this long to implement new features and I reiterate. without addons paving the way? it may have NEVER been implemented at all.

Why do you think the addons "paved the way"?

If a needed feature (like a search option) didn't have a third party alternative that would mean more players would be clamoring for one. In my experience, people tend to take the easier way out if they can. So if there is someone else doing the work for them - they're going to feel less inclined to do the work themselves.

because without being shown alternative - most people either learn to cope or move on to other games. historically. addons have paved the way to base game improvements and NOT just for ESO either. because they don't just show how something can improve - they show which features would be actualy popular with players and therefore, are worth working on to implement, and which features are too niche so the development time could be spent elsewhere. I mean... ZoS in particular HIRES addon makers sometimes, because of what their addons contributed to the game and then we end up with more features added to base game.

believe it or not - plenty of people on PC who either don't want to or are unable to run addons becasue it would impact their performance too much. they clamor for these features to be base game as well. because they can see that these features make the game better.

I have no problems believing you that there are plenty of people on PC who either don't want or are unable to run addons. I'm one of those players myself and still remember the hell of trying to find the right crafting motif for sale without a proper search feature. It was something I groaned about frequently, especially on these forums. I just think it would have probably happened sooner had there not been a third party alternative the developers could point to.

Anyway; I think I understand your argument and I would even be inclined to agree with it if we were talking about an addon that added something innovative to the game that the developers had perhaps not considered. But when it comes to such basic functions as a search feature I just have a hard time believing it took an addon to convince them that needed to be in the game.

we are talking about developers who deliberately stripped down the UI at release as much as possible, because "and I loosely quote" they thought it would be more immersive. these are the developers who thought players didn't need to see information on what is happening as far as attacks, debuffs, etc in game's UI - until players showed them through extensive use of rapidly appearing UI addons that yes. players absolutely DO want to have a better way to see that information. these are the developers who are convinced at ALL times, that they know better, until shown by enough people otherwise. not just told. SHOWN. even when it comes to basic functions.

I'm half convinced that they expected addons would just be for cosmetic changes. maybe making your UI look a bit differently, change the look of the bars or whatnot (and those addons DO exist as well) I mean. these are the developers who didn't think something as basic as ADDING A TIMER TO LEADS, to let people know right away that their leads expire - would be a desired function. despite mails having expiration timers, etc. so... yeah I'm hoping existence of "display leads" will eventually lead to its functionality being added to base game.

all I can say is - i'm ecstatic that Cardinal was eventually hired by ZoS and started to implement some of the most used features of EHT into a base game, because base housing UI is... not ideal. but it took both Cardinal creating and maintaining EHT AND players wholeheartedly embracing it before ZoS realized that maybe... their system could use some improvements and there is a person who has amazing pulse on housing community. and it all goes back to addons. you know?

Linaleah

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

We’ve given the answer and the sensible alternative(putting that dusty console in the closet). He could literally solve his problems today by getting the addon and switching to PC.

no. NO . NO. NO. that is a terrible answer and you should feel ashamed of yourself for saying this.

that is NOT a solution. you are just feeding into OP's trolling.

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