Elemental catalyst, a necro only set?

zvavi

The change done to it in the latest patch notes says as follows

"Additionally, the duration of this set made it too easy for builds to keep up without making active decisions around, such as running different enchantments, sets, or running it on specific classes that have a hybrid of damage sources. With the 3 second duration, it will now be much more difficult to keep the buff up 100%, unless built for accordingly, rather than just activating Force Pulse here and there."

So essentially they gated out the set for NB Templar & dk, leaving sorcs & wardens to run weird glyphs (with infused front bar staves) and necromancers are the only class that will actually be able to run it. I am all for specialised sets for classes, but since sorcs lost Illambris this decision feels more like "buy necromancer" than "specialised sets are good"

Kolzki

Shouldn’t the duration be 4 seconds if the devs want us to build around it using different enchants, as stated in the dev comments? Also, that would involve running infused rather than precise, which is the opposite of building around the crit damage buff.

martijnlv40

I’d say that you can also run it on a sorc tho, especially with force pulse/crushing shock. But yeah it seems optimal for necro’s, quite weird decision, reduce the time to 4 instead of 3 seconds and more options would’ve been available...

zvavi

martijnlv40 wrote: »

I’d say that you can also run it on a sorc tho, especially with force pulse/crushing shock. But yeah it seems optimal for necro’s, quite weird decision, reduce the time to 4 instead of 3 seconds and more options would’ve been available...

To keep 100% uptime you will need force pulse cast every second skill with 3 seconds cooldown (every third cast will result in 96% uptime in optimal uptime) I guess that sorcs/wardens could theoretically run backbar ice/lightning staves but dk NB plar are lost cause... And magcro that are already very needed in trials for major vulnerability can run it without losing anything.

In the end I think this set will be pushed on warden healers with fire rune, lightning wall, and the frost aoe.

stevenyaub16_ESO

I don't see it as a prob. It's like Zen and elfbane work best on magDK. This set will work best on magcro. Will also reduce the need for everyone to carry this around if magcros are going to be designated to use it.

All decent trial magDKs are gonna have to use Zen with the coming changes too as the healer meta will be Olo(SPC)/hollow + MK/PA. Maybe next time we will get another class specific support set.

Aznarb

That a good change, this set was way to broken to hit live like this.
Now it still a very strong set that DD can use to boost group efficiency, we need more set like this instead of selfish DD set.

I'm glad they listen for once and change their mind about this set.

zvavi

stevenyaub16_ESO wrote: »

Maybe next time we will get another class specific support set.

It would be great tbh... I think I am just salty because I wanted to run it for dungeons... I just feel like all the balance is aimed at trials, without taking dungeons into consideration.

Celestro

stevenyaub16_ESO wrote: »

I don't see it as a prob. It's like Zen and elfbane work best on magDK. This set will work best on magcro. Will also reduce the need for everyone to carry this around if magcros are going to be designated to use it.

All decent trial magDKs are gonna have to use Zen with the coming changes too as the healer meta will be Olo(SPC)/hollow + MK/PA. Maybe next time we will get another class specific support set.

This for the most part. Similar to how many people want sets for Frost Damage DPS, which would largely be aimed at Warden, this set being that for Necromancer, who uses all three elemental damage types, makes sense. And people are going to covet Necromancers anyway in PvE for their Major Vulnerability. That's more than enough for them to say "buy Necro".

FrancisCrawford

Why can't any class run it as a single-target debuff, spamming away with their preferred Force Shock morph? Well, sorcerers might have an issue due to the new mechanics for Frags ....

I agree that necros would seem to shine in this.

I'm even thinking of it as a possibility for healers ...

FrancisCrawford

stevenyaub16_ESO wrote: »

I don't see it as a prob. It's like Zen and elfbane work best on magDK. This set will work best on magcro. Will also reduce the need for everyone to carry this around if magcros are going to be designated to use it.

All decent trial magDKs are gonna have to use Zen with the coming changes too as the healer meta will be Olo(SPC)/hollow + MK/PA. Maybe next time we will get another class specific support set.

Does PA = Powerful Assault? As in stamina healers with Echoing Vigor?

zvavi

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

stevenyaub16_ESO wrote: »

I don't see it as a prob. It's like Zen and elfbane work best on magDK. This set will work best on magcro. Will also reduce the need for everyone to carry this around if magcros are going to be designated to use it.

All decent trial magDKs are gonna have to use Zen with the coming changes too as the healer meta will be Olo(SPC)/hollow + MK/PA. Maybe next time we will get another class specific support set.

Does PA = Powerful Assault? As in stamina healers with Echoing Vigor?

Not stamina healer, just use vigor to proc it every 9th skill, will help proc mk too.

Czekoludek

Dead set for dungeons, okay for trials

Atherakhia

The solution is clear: Make all Necro skills frost damage for Mag and Disease Damage for Stam and then make this set's only option for maximized uptime via Force Pulse, which only Sorcs cast enough to maintain 100% uptime?

IonicKai

Um asylum staff (either with their change to it) + force pulse would probably keep this set up since it procs all three status effects every 2 casts. Rotos might get a little wonky or you might get slight down time without roto adjustment but I'm pretty sure that would keep the buff up pretty well. Otherwise as others have said it would be best on necros who have class built access to all 3 elements.

Also you would make an OT run PA before you ever put it on a healer.

Dillpat

BRP destro triggers all three of the procs from 1 cast in an AOE capacity so while it does work the best on a necro, any class can get aoe or single target usage to a good degree with force pulse or brp desto

Olupajmibanan

Templar healer,
Vampire's Bane
Blockade of Storms
Frost enchant on back bar?

But the 3 second limit is just weird. Infused enchants procs once every 2 seconds, debuff-type dots tick once every 2 seconds as well.

PandaPalace

I can see it on a magcro only, they can keep the debuff on all targets ez as they have all 3 elements in aoe form which will help with adds get stacked on bosses. Ik adds die fast already but this will still help.

martijnlv40

Maybe this will help the blackrose prison staff then?

Maulkin

MagNecro in trials will be Master Architect (front) + Catalyst (body) or gtfo

sarahthes

Maulkin wrote: »

MagNecro in trials will be Master Architect (front) + Catalyst (body) or gtfo

Well, one out of 3 magcros will wear it. The other 2 will wear MS or Medusa.

Zalathorm

MA / EC necro LF godslayer

Let the discord PMs come flying in

Tannus15

Sorcs are doing lightning damage from pets / boundless / lightning splash as well as fire from inferno staffs and wall of elements.
Change the front bar enchant from flame to frost and you're golden.

Add running force pulse on top of that and it should be easy to maintain...

looks like this as a front bar set

98% uptime on fire and shock
86% uptime on frost

Olupajmibanan

Tannus15 wrote: »

Sorcs are doing lightning damage from pets / boundless / lightning splash as well as fire from inferno staffs and wall of elements.
Change the front bar enchant from flame to frost and you're golden.

Add running force pulse on top of that and it should be easy to maintain...

looks like this as a front bar set

98% uptime on fire and shock
86% uptime on frost

I doubt that pets will proc it. Pets don't even proc Ilambris, only Familiar Damage Pulse does, but basic attacks don't. So you either have to run 2-pet build (not very common), run Lightning Splash (useless skill) or Boundless Storm (pretty limited use).

But yeah, they way to go seems to be 2 pets and Force Pulse. Not even need to swap enchants, simply keeping maximal uptime on Shock+Fire and Frost from Force Pulse will be lower. Good solution if no Necro with EC is available. Swapping enchants wont even help you because time frame on EC is 3 seconds and enchants proc once per 4 seconds or once per 2 seconds on infused staff.

FrancisCrawford

Unless I'm missing something, pretty much anybody can keep this up single target. Lightning Wall (either morph), Infused, with Frost enchant takes care of two elements from the back bar, and weaving any attacks from a front bar fire staff takes care of the third.

And that's even without Force Shock (either morph).

So the discussion is all about multi-target application.

Correct? Or am I overlooking something?

nesakinter

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Unless I'm missing something, pretty much anybody can keep this up single target. Lightning Wall (either morph), Infused, with Frost enchant takes care of two elements from the back bar, and weaving any attacks from a front bar fire staff takes care of the third.

And that's even without Force Shock (either morph).

So the discussion is all about multi-target application.

Correct? Or am I overlooking something?

With the nerf to uptime now at 3 secs, backbar Frost will be only 60% uptime max. You need Forse Pulse to make it work.

FrancisCrawford

nesakinter wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Unless I'm missing something, pretty much anybody can keep this up single target. Lightning Wall (either morph), Infused, with Frost enchant takes care of two elements from the back bar, and weaving any attacks from a front bar fire staff takes care of the third.

And that's even without Force Shock (either morph).

So the discussion is all about multi-target application.

Correct? Or am I overlooking something?

With the nerf to uptime now at 3 secs, backbar Frost will be only 60% uptime max. You need Forse Pulse to make it work.

I think you're mistaken.

There are glyphs whose base cooldown is 10 seconds, reduced to 5 by Infused. But direct damage glyphs like Frost proc a lot faster than that. I thought 5 seconds, reduced to 2 1/2 (i.e. 3 in practice) by Infused, but people posting above seem to think the base cooldown is actually 4 seconds now.

zvavi

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

nesakinter wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Unless I'm missing something, pretty much anybody can keep this up single target. Lightning Wall (either morph), Infused, with Frost enchant takes care of two elements from the back bar, and weaving any attacks from a front bar fire staff takes care of the third.

And that's even without Force Shock (either morph).

So the discussion is all about multi-target application.

Correct? Or am I overlooking something?

With the nerf to uptime now at 3 secs, backbar Frost will be only 60% uptime max. You need Forse Pulse to make it work.

I think you're mistaken.

There are glyphs whose base cooldown is 10 seconds, reduced to 5 by Infused. But direct damage glyphs like Frost proc a lot faster than that. I thought 5 seconds, reduced to 2 1/2 (i.e. 3 in practice) by Infused, but people posting above seem to think the base cooldown is actually 4 seconds now.

He is indeed mistaken, but why lose 450 spell dmg (backbar enchantment) + dmg from lightning wall on any other class when you can roll it on a necro?

Kolzki

I’m pretty sure that it could be used effectively by healers of most classes but necros and wardens do look best

Aznarb

Kolzki wrote: »

I’m pretty sure that it could be used effectively by healers of most classes but necros and wardens do look best

Depend. Do we need to "apply" element debuff, or just to "hit" with elemental damage ?
That a huge difference.

In 1st case, no, up-time gonna be way to low on healer.
In 2sdc case, yes, easy, shock WoE, Burn glyph back bar and frost glyph front bar.

Edit : Checked myself, seem like second option, so yes, probably better on healer and not annoying to use, I take it over MK or Z'en any day.

kojou

With Wardens and Necros you generally have to cast a Blast Bones or Shalk every 3 seconds as part of the rotation. This would be basically the same with another class. Just cast Force Pulse/Crushing Shock every 3 weaves.

I agree 4 seconds would be better for giving more classes the ability to use this set though.

Kolzki

Yup, I’d run catalyst on a healer with lightning wall, grave yard/winters revenge and scalding rune. Could add a flame glyph or monster set if the rune is awkward. It would be more efficient on a healer than dd and would be easier for healing than running z’en.