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Blacknight841
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Today elder scrolls announced that they will have an "UPGRADED" version of ESO for the new Xbox Series X and the PlayStation 5.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/58601?utm_content=The Elder Scrolls Online&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=Community&sf126315713=1

A couple of things to take away from from the post:
- The only way to get the upgrade free is to have the current purchased before the new version of the game comes out.
- The current version will still work the same exact way as it does on the next gen systems.
- It will use the same servers as they currently do.
- If you do not own the game at launch of the new version, you will have to pay more for it.
- The upgraded version will not be included with the current game passes.

So let's analyze this a bit. Console players get an upgraded version of the game. As there is no pc "Upgraded version", one can only assume that these capabilities are already implemented in the current pc version (considering that PC players have much more settings to play with). The conclusion drawn is that console players have to PAY EXTRA for the same quality of game that PC players already have, unless they already have the game. This is a truly disappointing approach to the current console users and future users. Why is Zenimax not giving a free upgrade regardless of when a player buys the game, through the already promoted "Smart Delivery" system that Microsoft is already providing? Why does the game cost more all of a sudden for the next gen systems, when it is the same 6 year old game that PC players currently have. The only way this extra cost makes any sense is if the new next gen version of this game, is superior to the PC quality, otherwise why is Zenimax not charging PC players more to use the best quality settings on the game. I cannot say this paywall surprises me at all but it is a disappointment nonetheless. People were showing their disappointment towards how EA was going to handle the upgrade towards their sports game, requiring users to purchase the game before the end of the year. (This has now been changed to 1 year from release date)... However Zenimax has definitely gone above and beyond to obtain the number one most constrained upgrade prerequisite, for a repackaged game that already exists. Unless this new "Upgraded Version" of ESO comes without bots, cheaters, performance issues, lag, bugs, basically anything short from a flawless game... this is the worst money-grab for the new consoles so far, and far surpasses the repackaging of Skyrim.
Edited by Blacknight841 on August 6, 2020 5:14PM
  • MurderMostFoul
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    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?
    “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
  • Blacknight841
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    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.
    Edited by Blacknight841 on August 6, 2020 5:22PM
  • jaws343
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    No, the assumption is that if you don't already own the game you would have to pay for it. Not that it would cost more than it already does. Just that if you already own the game you won't have to pay for an upgrade.

    Like, really. If you don't own the game right now, you have to pay for the game to start playing it. The same thing would be the case in the next generation. If you don't own a game, you have to buy the game first.
  • relentless_turnip
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    I too am confused by your upset...

    It is a free upgrade for those who already own the game, for anyone new to ESO regardless of their chosen platform will have to buy it. That much is always true. This is just a message saying, don't worry you won't lose your progress and you won't need to buy ESO again.
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    Today elder scrolls announced that they will have an "UPGRADED" version of ESO for the new Xbox Series X and the PlayStation 5.

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/58601?utm_content=The Elder Scrolls Online&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=Community&sf126315713=1

    A couple of things to take away from from the post:
    - The only way to get the upgrade free is to have the current purchased before the new version of the game comes out.
    - The current version will still work the same exact way as it does on the next gen systems.
    - It will use the same servers as they currently do.
    - If you do not own the game at launch of the new version, you will have to pay more for it.
    - The upgraded version will not be included with the current game passes.

    So let's analyze this a bit. Console players get an upgraded version of the game. As there is no pc "Upgraded version", one can only assume that these capabilities are already implemented in the current pc version (considering that PC players have much more settings to play with). The conclusion drawn is that console players have to PAY EXTRA for the same quality of game that PC players already have, unless they already have the game. This is a truly disappointing approach to the current console users and future users. Why is Zenimax not giving a free upgrade regardless of when a player buys the game, through the already promoted "Smart Delivery" system that Microsoft is already providing? Why does the game cost more all of a sudden for the next gen systems, when it is the same 6 year old game that PC players currently have. The only way this extra cost makes any sense is if the new next gen version of this game, is superior to the PC quality, otherwise why is Zenimax not charging PC players more to use the best quality settings on the game. I cannot say this paywall surprises me at all but it is a disappointment nonetheless. People were showing their disappointment towards how EA was going to handle the upgrade towards their sports game, requiring users to purchase the game before the end of the year. (This has now been changed to 1 year from release date)... However Zenimax has definitely gone above and beyond to obtain the number one most constrained upgrade prerequisite, for a repackaged game that already exists. Unless this new "Upgraded Version" of ESO comes without bots, cheaters, performance issues, lag, bugs, basically anything short from a flawless game... this is the worst money-grab for the new consoles so far, and far surpasses the repackaging of Skyrim.

    If you dont own eso before the upgraded version release you dont pay extra since you never paid for the og version to begin with

    It will probably be sent as a download code for free download of a ps5/xsx version of the game
    Edited by Dark_Lord_Kuro on August 6, 2020 5:31PM
  • Blacknight841
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    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    No, the assumption is that if you don't already own the game you would have to pay for it. Not that it would cost more than it already does. Just that if you already own the game you won't have to pay for an upgrade.

    Like, really. If you don't own the game right now, you have to pay for the game to start playing it. The same thing would be the case in the next generation. If you don't own a game, you have to buy the game first.

    The clarification that they will support backwards compatibility on the current version means that there will be a "old version" and a "New upgraded version" and if they both cost the some post release, there is no point in having two versions. Thus anyone who doesn't own the current version prior to launch will in fact have to pay more for the new version. Otherwise, why not just say we will be upgrading the game where applicable to players with the next gen system? Period.
  • MurderMostFoul
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    After next gen launch, I doubt we will see:

    ESO old gen: $X
    ESO new gen: $X+10
    “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
  • Blacknight841
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    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    After next gen launch, I doubt we will see:

    ESO old gen: $X
    ESO new gen: $X+10

    This is exactly what the wording says though. Otherwise, why did they not just say "all copies of eso (purchase now, or later) will support the new upgraded version". Why even make the distinction that there will be a free upgrade with a conditional. The conditional implies the later, and in my view it will probably be more like ... eso currently costs $X, but post upgrade launch ESO Upgraded version will cost $X+10, and they will stop selling the current version. Same approach they did to Tamriel Unlimited.
    Edited by Blacknight841 on August 6, 2020 5:39PM
  • jaws343
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    No, the assumption is that if you don't already own the game you would have to pay for it. Not that it would cost more than it already does. Just that if you already own the game you won't have to pay for an upgrade.

    Like, really. If you don't own the game right now, you have to pay for the game to start playing it. The same thing would be the case in the next generation. If you don't own a game, you have to buy the game first.

    The clarification that they will support backwards compatibility on the current version means that there will be a "old version" and a "New upgraded version" and if they both cost the some post release, there is no point in having two versions. Thus anyone who doesn't own the current version prior to launch will in fact have to pay more for the new version. Otherwise, why not just say we will be upgrading the game where applicable to players with the next gen system? Period.

    No, you are wrong.

    They would need two versions because the upgraded version will not run on the old systems and they intend to continue supporting the game on both systems. So after the X release, if a player intends to play on the Xbox One, they would need to be able to purchase the old version. And if a player decides to upgrade their console and buy the game, they would need to the upgraded version. These two version could cost the exact same amount.

    Literally, the only thing the announcement is telling us is that the game will be ported up to the next generation at no additional cost to current owners of the game and with all progress saved. Anything else is just irrational inference on your part.
  • Blacknight841
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    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    No, the assumption is that if you don't already own the game you would have to pay for it. Not that it would cost more than it already does. Just that if you already own the game you won't have to pay for an upgrade.

    Like, really. If you don't own the game right now, you have to pay for the game to start playing it. The same thing would be the case in the next generation. If you don't own a game, you have to buy the game first.

    The clarification that they will support backwards compatibility on the current version means that there will be a "old version" and a "New upgraded version" and if they both cost the some post release, there is no point in having two versions. Thus anyone who doesn't own the current version prior to launch will in fact have to pay more for the new version. Otherwise, why not just say we will be upgrading the game where applicable to players with the next gen system? Period.

    No, you are wrong.

    They would need two versions because the upgraded version will not run on the old systems and they intend to continue supporting the game on both systems. So after the X release, if a player intends to play on the Xbox One, they would need to be able to purchase the old version. And if a player decides to upgrade their console and buy the game, they would need to the upgraded version. These two version could cost the exact same amount.

    Literally, the only thing the announcement is telling us is that the game will be ported up to the next generation at no additional cost to current owners of the game and with all progress saved. Anything else is just irrational inference on your part.

    They do not need two version, this is where "Smart Delivery" comes in, and it delivers the right version of the game regardless of the system you are on. Games like Cyberpunk support this, and you can read the announcement on how they implement it, and how it differs from Zenimax's statement. No point in having two versions of the game if they cost the same.

    How Smart Delivery Works:
    https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/06/15/what-is-smart-delivery-xbox-series-x/
    Edited by Blacknight841 on August 6, 2020 5:46PM
  • Jinxxy85
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    Surely your issue with this can be solved by anyone interested in being in the free upgrade category should purchase the game now and not wait until the console itself is out. Seems simple enough, just purchase a nice cheap copy now and no issues? Digital and physical are always dirt cheap, at least in the UK where I am.

    Having an issue with not getting your free upgrade in say a years time could be applied to so many things. For example, free ps plus games each month, it's like the equivalent of me throwing my toys out the pram that I missed out on a months if I didn't have plus. I would of had time to purchase a subscription then, like people can just purchase the base game of ESO now, before the new console.
  • jaws343
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    No, the assumption is that if you don't already own the game you would have to pay for it. Not that it would cost more than it already does. Just that if you already own the game you won't have to pay for an upgrade.

    Like, really. If you don't own the game right now, you have to pay for the game to start playing it. The same thing would be the case in the next generation. If you don't own a game, you have to buy the game first.

    The clarification that they will support backwards compatibility on the current version means that there will be a "old version" and a "New upgraded version" and if they both cost the some post release, there is no point in having two versions. Thus anyone who doesn't own the current version prior to launch will in fact have to pay more for the new version. Otherwise, why not just say we will be upgrading the game where applicable to players with the next gen system? Period.

    No, you are wrong.

    They would need two versions because the upgraded version will not run on the old systems and they intend to continue supporting the game on both systems. So after the X release, if a player intends to play on the Xbox One, they would need to be able to purchase the old version. And if a player decides to upgrade their console and buy the game, they would need to the upgraded version. These two version could cost the exact same amount.

    Literally, the only thing the announcement is telling us is that the game will be ported up to the next generation at no additional cost to current owners of the game and with all progress saved. Anything else is just irrational inference on your part.

    They do not need two version, this is where "Smart Delivery" comes in, and it delivers the right version of the game regardless of the system you are on. Games like the Witcher 3 support this, and you can read the announcement on how they implement it, and how it differs from Zenimax's statement. No point in having two versions of the game if they cost the same.

    How Smart Delivery Woks:
    https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/06/15/what-is-smart-delivery-xbox-series-x/

    The main point is, if you don't own a game you still need to purchase it. The free aspect is only for upgrading to get the game on the new system. Stop trying to spread misinformation by making things up from a minimal announcement. Not a single thing in this article implies or even hints at the game costing more money to get on the new gen. Only that if you don't own the game, you would clearly have to buy the game.
  • MurderMostFoul
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    After next gen launch, I doubt we will see:

    ESO old gen: $X
    ESO new gen: $X+10

    This is exactly what the wording says though. Otherwise, why did they not just say "all copies of eso (purchase now, or later) will support the new upgraded version". Why even make the distinction that there will be a free upgrade with a conditional. The conditional implies the later, and in my view it will probably be more like ... eso currently costs $X, but post upgrade launch ESO Upgraded version will cost $X+10, and they will stop selling the current version. Same approach they did to Tamriel Unlimited.

    I think this:

    "if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5"

    is intended to mean, "don't wait." There will be an enhanced version, but if you own eso now or before the enhanced version launches, you will migrate to the enhanced version for free. Once the enhanced version launches, when someone buys eso for the first time, they will all get the enhanced version. It'll run like eso does now on xbox 1 and xbox 1x, and it'll run even better on xbox series x. Same for PS.
    “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
  • Blacknight841
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    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    No, the assumption is that if you don't already own the game you would have to pay for it. Not that it would cost more than it already does. Just that if you already own the game you won't have to pay for an upgrade.

    Like, really. If you don't own the game right now, you have to pay for the game to start playing it. The same thing would be the case in the next generation. If you don't own a game, you have to buy the game first.

    The clarification that they will support backwards compatibility on the current version means that there will be a "old version" and a "New upgraded version" and if they both cost the some post release, there is no point in having two versions. Thus anyone who doesn't own the current version prior to launch will in fact have to pay more for the new version. Otherwise, why not just say we will be upgrading the game where applicable to players with the next gen system? Period.

    No, you are wrong.

    They would need two versions because the upgraded version will not run on the old systems and they intend to continue supporting the game on both systems. So after the X release, if a player intends to play on the Xbox One, they would need to be able to purchase the old version. And if a player decides to upgrade their console and buy the game, they would need to the upgraded version. These two version could cost the exact same amount.

    Literally, the only thing the announcement is telling us is that the game will be ported up to the next generation at no additional cost to current owners of the game and with all progress saved. Anything else is just irrational inference on your part.

    They do not need two version, this is where "Smart Delivery" comes in, and it delivers the right version of the game regardless of the system you are on. Games like the Witcher 3 support this, and you can read the announcement on how they implement it, and how it differs from Zenimax's statement. No point in having two versions of the game if they cost the same.

    How Smart Delivery Woks:
    https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/06/15/what-is-smart-delivery-xbox-series-x/

    The main point is, if you don't own a game you still need to purchase it. The free aspect is only for upgrading to get the game on the new system. Stop trying to spread misinformation by making things up from a minimal announcement. Not a single thing in this article implies or even hints at the game costing more money to get on the new gen. Only that if you don't own the game, you would clearly have to buy the game.

    Do you really think that the announcement wasn't proof read? Do you really think they didn't use specific wording for a reason?
    The simple announcement would have been "We are proud to announce that ESO will make use of smart delivery and ALL versions of the game will support the new upgraded version where applicable on new consoles." (Microsoft please add our game to your list). Done. If you want to omit misinformation, you make a clear announcement. Clearly this announcement was left to omit details. For instance, why was there no mention of gamepass? Will those members get to play at the peak version of the game if they get the new system, or will they only get the old version?
  • jaws343
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    jaws343 wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    No, the assumption is that if you don't already own the game you would have to pay for it. Not that it would cost more than it already does. Just that if you already own the game you won't have to pay for an upgrade.

    Like, really. If you don't own the game right now, you have to pay for the game to start playing it. The same thing would be the case in the next generation. If you don't own a game, you have to buy the game first.

    The clarification that they will support backwards compatibility on the current version means that there will be a "old version" and a "New upgraded version" and if they both cost the some post release, there is no point in having two versions. Thus anyone who doesn't own the current version prior to launch will in fact have to pay more for the new version. Otherwise, why not just say we will be upgrading the game where applicable to players with the next gen system? Period.

    No, you are wrong.

    They would need two versions because the upgraded version will not run on the old systems and they intend to continue supporting the game on both systems. So after the X release, if a player intends to play on the Xbox One, they would need to be able to purchase the old version. And if a player decides to upgrade their console and buy the game, they would need to the upgraded version. These two version could cost the exact same amount.

    Literally, the only thing the announcement is telling us is that the game will be ported up to the next generation at no additional cost to current owners of the game and with all progress saved. Anything else is just irrational inference on your part.

    They do not need two version, this is where "Smart Delivery" comes in, and it delivers the right version of the game regardless of the system you are on. Games like the Witcher 3 support this, and you can read the announcement on how they implement it, and how it differs from Zenimax's statement. No point in having two versions of the game if they cost the same.

    How Smart Delivery Woks:
    https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/06/15/what-is-smart-delivery-xbox-series-x/

    The main point is, if you don't own a game you still need to purchase it. The free aspect is only for upgrading to get the game on the new system. Stop trying to spread misinformation by making things up from a minimal announcement. Not a single thing in this article implies or even hints at the game costing more money to get on the new gen. Only that if you don't own the game, you would clearly have to buy the game.

    Do you really think that the announcement wasn't proof read? Do you really think they didn't use specific wording for a reason?
    The simple announcement would have been "We are proud to announce that ESO will make use of smart delivery and ALL versions of the game will support the new upgraded version where applicable on new consoles." (Microsoft please add our game to your list). Done. If you want to omit misinformation, you make a clear announcement. Clearly this announcement was left to omit details. For instance, why was there no mention of gamepass? Will those members get to play at the peak version of the game if they get the new system, or will they only get the old version?

    You seem to be the only one who is having trouble with the announcement. It's pretty clear to everyone else here.
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    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    MurderMostFoul wrote: »
    Why are you assuming it will cost more for a new user on next gen?

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    The conditional "Already own, or purchase before release = free upgrade" implies that if you don't it will not be free. Otherwise they could easily have stated, "We will be supporting the new Smart Delivery System, and any version of ESO will have enhanced performance on the new next gen console."

    Seems pretty clear to me. If this is not the case, the wording definitely speaks the opposite.

    After next gen launch, I doubt we will see:

    ESO old gen: $X
    ESO new gen: $X+10

    This is exactly what the wording says though. Otherwise, why did they not just say "all copies of eso (purchase now, or later) will support the new upgraded version". Why even make the distinction that there will be a free upgrade with a conditional. The conditional implies the later, and in my view it will probably be more like ... eso currently costs $X, but post upgrade launch ESO Upgraded version will cost $X+10, and they will stop selling the current version. Same approach they did to Tamriel Unlimited.

    I think this:

    "if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5"

    is intended to mean, "don't wait." There will be an enhanced version, but if you own eso now or before the enhanced version launches, you will migrate to the enhanced version for free. Once the enhanced version launches, when someone buys eso for the first time, they will all get the enhanced version. It'll run like eso does now on xbox 1 and xbox 1x, and it'll run even better on xbox series x. Same for PS.

    I hope for this. But that announcement left a lot of room for going one way or another. Plus the lack of inclusion of Gamepass in the announcement took it one step further towards drawing the conclusion. The announcement could have been done with the utmost clarity if they so chose.

    "We are pleased to announce that ESO will support the Smart Delivery system and all players playing ESO will receive the best experience on the new Xbox Series X. We will also Be supporting backwards compatibility, so any player upgrading to the new consoles will automatically be able to continue their progress, and the Smart Delivery system will allow them to play on the best version of the game, no matter what console they chose to log in on."

    Two sentences is all it takes to make this announcement extremely clear. Why leave ambiguity if there was no need for it?
    Edited by Blacknight841 on August 6, 2020 6:07PM
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    I'm sorry. I think the announcement they actually made is way clearer that anything using the term "Smart Delivery" would be. Not everybody knows what "Smart Delivery" is, and it's not applicable to PS4/5 anyway.
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    I would say the main problem with any announcement is the fact that game is barely playable on PS4 console anyways so no matter what "enchanced versions" are on the pipeline... well how about ZoS fix the current game 1st. It is borderline unplayable and would not recommend it to anyone.
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    Smart Delivery is just the word that microsoft uses to define it, however the same thing applies to PS5.

    There is a huge difference between:

    "All copes of ESO will get a free upgrade." ... and ... "Anyone who purchased eso before X date will get a free upgrade"

    IF they intend to raise the price of eso just for the "Upgraded" changes post launch of the new version, for any new buyers.... that is what I am saying would be very disappointing. I guess we will have to wait and see.
    Edited by Blacknight841 on August 6, 2020 6:28PM
  • stargazer69
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    In addition to 'insightful', 'agree' and 'awesome', we need 'you're talking rubbish'
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    They've never been very good at making clear and concise statements about things. Half of the discussions I have with ppl about builds and sets is what the tooltips for skills and sets actually mean; sometimes they mean just what they sound like they mean, sometimes the results are a little more surprising and counter intuitive to what was stated. Hell, I made a thread a few months ago, because the announcement for Midyear Mayhem event said the ticket reset was at 1 am edt, contrary to how the server reset at 2 am edt. It turned out the tickets did in fact reset at 2 am, unlike what was stated, so they aren't even that good about being accurate from the getgo. More than likely, this means the price of both versions will be the same, and ppl who own the older one will be given a free upgrade when the new version is released. But like you said, we will have to wait and see - I don't take anything for granted with ZOS anymore, and am no longer surprised by the shenanigans.
  • Rex-Umbra
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    It will be the same price if you don't own. They should of just said game will be shinier on the new consoles.
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  • Sindala
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    Hmm, will there be a cross-play server between the Xbox and PC set up?
    With the new xbox specs, there really isnt a reason not too now?
    Cannot on the PS5 cos Sony still won't allow it but Microsoft is happy for cross-play.
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    I have read the article and it is very clear. And I quote:-

    "The Elder Scrolls Online is coming to the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5!

    We are thrilled to announce that if you currently own or plan to purchase an Xbox One or PS4 copy of The Elder Scrolls Online between now and the launch of ESO’s next-gen version for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5, you can upgrade free to that version of the game. We do not yet have a planned release date for the upgraded version of ESO, but stay tuned!

    In addition to this, we also plan to support backward compatibility. What does this mean, exactly? We’re working hard so that when the Xbox Series X and PlayStation®5 launches, if you are a PS4 or Xbox One player, you can continue playing with your same accounts via backward compatibility on your respective next-gen consoles without interruption or loss of progress--same characters, servers, everything!

    We can’t wait to share more information about The Elder Scrolls Online on the new consoles, so keep an eye out as we take Tamriel to the next gen!"

    Can't see how there is any room for misinterpretation in that. If you have ESO on the XB1 or PS4 and upgrade to the next-gen consoles then the game will be updated for free. And they will tell is what the advancements are in due course. It IS smart delivery.
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  • HiLyfe808
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    I guess we will have to wait and see.

    Exactly! your complaining about something that is not even here based on your interpretation of the article. Which your interpretation is a reach to say they would charge more on next gen.

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    I will fire up my new PS5, download whatever version is available from the PS store for free because I already own it in the store library, link my PSN account to ESO and enjoy playing where I left off the last time I logged on.
    Any updates will automatically happen as they usually do.
    Nothing to be upset about at all.
    Now if for some reason I don't buy a PS5 I will be able to continue playing on my PS4 updates still will happen automatically.

    Edited by TequilaFire on August 6, 2020 8:47PM
  • ArchMikem
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    The conclusion drawn is that console players have to PAY EXTRA for the same quality of game that PC players already have, unless they already have the game. This is a truly disappointing approach to the current console users and future users.

    I don't see your point. Current players won't have to pay anything to get the upgraded game, (besides buying the new Console). New players will, but then again they'd have to pay more anyway cause they'd have to buy the game regardless, since they're new players.

    Really I see this as a gift to current players and standard practice for new players.
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  • stargazer69
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    Sindala wrote: »
    Hmm, will there be a cross-play server between the Xbox and PC set up?
    With the new xbox specs, there really isnt a reason not too now?
    Cannot on the PS5 cos Sony still won't allow it but Microsoft is happy for cross-play.
    Unless consoles can have addons, there won't be cross-play
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    Personally i don't see why xbox is being punished because playstation cannot have addons, no reason why xbox cannot have addon right now apart from them wanting to limit both consoles the same.
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    Blacknight841 wrote: »
    Today elder scrolls announced that they will have an "UPGRADED" version of ESO for the new Xbox Series X and the PlayStation 5.

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/58601?utm_content=The Elder Scrolls Online&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=Community&sf126315713=1

    A couple of things to take away from from the post:
    - The only way to get the upgrade free is to have the current purchased before the new version of the game comes out.
    - The current version will still work the same exact way as it does on the next gen systems.
    - It will use the same servers as they currently do.
    - If you do not own the game at launch of the new version, you will have to pay more for it.
    - The upgraded version will not be included with the current game passes.

    So let's analyze this a bit. Console players get an upgraded version of the game. As there is no pc "Upgraded version", one can only assume that these capabilities are already implemented in the current pc version (considering that PC players have much more settings to play with). The conclusion drawn is that console players have to PAY EXTRA for the same quality of game that PC players already have, unless they already have the game. This is a truly disappointing approach to the current console users and future users. Why is Zenimax not giving a free upgrade regardless of when a player buys the game, through the already promoted "Smart Delivery" system that Microsoft is already providing? Why does the game cost more all of a sudden for the next gen systems, when it is the same 6 year old game that PC players currently have. The only way this extra cost makes any sense is if the new next gen version of this game, is superior to the PC quality, otherwise why is Zenimax not charging PC players more to use the best quality settings on the game. I cannot say this paywall surprises me at all but it is a disappointment nonetheless. People were showing their disappointment towards how EA was going to handle the upgrade towards their sports game, requiring users to purchase the game before the end of the year. (This has now been changed to 1 year from release date)... However Zenimax has definitely gone above and beyond to obtain the number one most constrained upgrade prerequisite, for a repackaged game that already exists. Unless this new "Upgraded Version" of ESO comes without bots, cheaters, performance issues, lag, bugs, basically anything short from a flawless game... this is the worst money-grab for the new consoles so far, and far surpasses the repackaging of Skyrim.

    They gotta pay sony and microsoft some how...not sure how but they have to...as their game must be shown in their shops...That is the downfall of console not zenimax...
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