Are the devs having "too much fun" destroying the NB?

Khatou

Here is what I raised about NB currently I play NB on 3 types of gameplay, namely DPS stam archer, NB DD Magic and tank and another one in another faction, so in reality I have 4 NB.

A lot of people are full about the severe punishment done on the NB, like the lack of buff whether it's in attack or defense.

The tank has never been as complicated to play as it is now.
have suffered incomprehensible damage, even being equipped with sets as "pariahs" impossible to hold on to over time or with great difficulty.

Other point that I want to raise on my side, about the Ulti, I think there are too many ulti for magic, only 1 for stam players and only for DPS, I think that stam players should have more choice in ulti, another point to raise, I find that there are 2 ulti to my taste, too similar, the one of the "Shadow" and "Siphon" branch.

Without forgetting, magic spells, for a class that is supposed to be an assassin so logically more blunt weapon oriented (in principle) the stam player is still too limited to my taste.

Yet another detail, wouldn't NB lack synergy? to be more efficient in a group game? like BG?

Shouldn't the NB have a fairer redesign?

SweepsAllClowns

I think the real question here is that is it even possible to have too much fun while destroying all the things? Personally I don't think there's any limit or cap where the level of fun value becomes too high, just keep on destroying!

BigBragg

Nightblade may be the biggest casualty of all this combat teams homoginization of skills. Sure they can be a pain in the keister when played well in PvP, but they also used to offer some unique playstyle in PvE. Shame ZOS seems to have lost sight of the nightblade.

zvavi

Nightblades are getting uberbuffed this patch as dds in pve, tankblades are getting small nerf, of a skill that people don't always run even.

TwinLamps

I have more sDKs than most people have chars

JacksonCarter13

I don’t really understand these posts? I constantly do very well with a stam NB DW/2h build. I am almost always number one in battlegrounds. The only problem I have is killing a really well built and skilled warden or dk tank in heavy armor, other than that I am killing people so fast it’s funny. I don’t think it’s the best class in the game and Yes it’s very hard to play, but if my rotation is on point and my buffs are up I can kill almost anyone and I don’t die very often either. It sounds like your building your nightblade incorrectly to be honest...

emilyhyoyeon

I think nightblade needs some work but I do wanna say that ''nightblade'' as a TES class has, in the past, been fairly magic-oriented. It's different than a standard bow and dagger stealth assassin rogue or whatever. So their bias towards magic-oriented builds is fair imo.

Descriptions of NB from Morrowind and Oblivion taken from UESP:
''Nightblades are spellcasters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have a sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents.''
''Spell and shadow are their friends. By darkness they move with haste, casting magic to benefit their circumstances.''

nesakinter

zvavi wrote: »

Nightblades are getting uberbuffed this patch as dds in pve, tankblades are getting small nerf, of a skill that people don't always run even.

It is not a small nerf lol, it was the main skill that made NB tanks return in the meta.

Asdara

the funniest thing i read here

Khatou

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

I don’t really understand these posts? I constantly do very well with a stam NB DW/2h build. I am almost always number one in battlegrounds. The only problem I have is killing a really well built and skilled warden or dk tank in heavy armor, other than that I am killing people so fast it’s funny. I don’t think it’s the best class in the game and Yes it’s very hard to play, but if my rotation is on point and my buffs are up I can kill almost anyone and I don’t die very often either. It sounds like your building your nightblade incorrectly to be honest...

Except that others would like to be able to do something other than have to follow boring and undermining meta for some classes!

Aptonoth

When will they buff Argonians? Still crap in pve at everything except healing and even then good. I don't want them op but a small buff is long over due I feel like i'm being penalized a lot. I think a small buff to their mag dps and healing so they are actually the best at healing by a small amount. Their dps can be better but obviously let Breton's be higher this would give Argonians a niche and make DPS Argonian player happy to not be completely useless in PVE or PVP.

nesakinter

@emilyhyoyeon In the past games, every class has been more magicka oriented. Even on the first year of ESO, first class was magicka. The removal of soft caps made stamina a thing.

emilyhyoyeon

nesakinter wrote: »

@emilyhyoyeon In the past games, every class has been more magicka oriented.

I'm not sure what makes you think that. I did a quick look over of the classes of the past games and there are a fair bit of classes that have even no magic-oriented skill investment. Like I'm pretty sure gamemade classes are split up so there is literally a balance between warrior, magic, and stealth based classes. So unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean, what you said here is just not true.


edit: just want to add that this point isn't really the point of the OP anyway. ESO has few classes that can spec mag or stam to varying degrees. But a traditional TES nightblade isn't a traditional TES not-magic-based stealth user. It's the closest we have so far, but that's it. Like if ESO nightblade is going to get changes, it has more no more reason to be a stam class than a mag class (thematically, that is).

zvavi

nesakinter wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Nightblades are getting uberbuffed this patch as dds in pve, tankblades are getting small nerf, of a skill that people don't always run even.

It is not a small nerf lol, it was the main skill that made NB tanks return in the meta.

No.... What made NB tanks return to meta, was that stam necros were too strong, and they needed a nightblade to give them minor savagery in group, that fell on the tank...

Edit: the NB meta ended the moment 8 necro dd trial groups stopped being a thing. It did prove people it can be done, so they felt more safe tanking on NB without being raged at, so a lot of people are running it now, the only reason I stopped tanking on mine is because sorc tanking is just more fun for me.

TineaCruris

NB's have pretty close to if not the most well rounded set of skills available to them. They can even cloak.

If you can't work with the skills NB has available to them you are NEVER going to be able to play another class.

Khatou

TineaCruris wrote: »

NB's have pretty close to if not the most well rounded set of skills available to them. They can even cloak.

If you can't work with the skills NB has available to them you are NEVER going to be able to play another class.

Yeah, well, they'd like to be able to hide because of the disconcerting ease of being unmasked in Elder Scrolls Online !!!

JacksonCarter13

Khatou wrote: »

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

I don’t really understand these posts? I constantly do very well with a stam NB DW/2h build. I am almost always number one in battlegrounds. The only problem I have is killing a really well built and skilled warden or dk tank in heavy armor, other than that I am killing people so fast it’s funny. I don’t think it’s the best class in the game and Yes it’s very hard to play, but if my rotation is on point and my buffs are up I can kill almost anyone and I don’t die very often either. It sounds like your building your nightblade incorrectly to be honest...

Except that others would like to be able to do something other than have to follow boring and undermining meta for some classes!

So you just stated an opinion. [snip] Classes although they have the ability to do what ever they want are not built to do everything. The idea anyone would pick the nightblade and then be like I want to be a tank is just ridiculous. That’s like saying I want to be the best healer and not picking a Templar. [snip]

[Edited to remove Baiting]

Banana

Just pray their PvP test settings make no difference to performance or everyone's getting the hose

the1andonlyskwex

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

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I haven't backed off anything. I simply never made the claim you're attributing to me in the first place.

My post was in response to your assertions that someone shouldn't be a nightblade if they want to tank and should be a templar if they want to heal. ESO is specifically designed so that's not the case, and that design is one of the best parts about it. Every class is supposed to be able to do each of the three roles equally well (or at least as close as possible).

So, instead of telling people to reroll to fit your misconceptions about what classes can play which roles, maybe you should go play a game that better fits your expectations, like WoW.

doomette

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

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This is the weirdest, most incongruent flex in response to the topic at hand...

Khatou

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

Khatou wrote: »

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

I don’t really understand these posts? I constantly do very well with a stam NB DW/2h build. I am almost always number one in battlegrounds. The only problem I have is killing a really well built and skilled warden or dk tank in heavy armor, other than that I am killing people so fast it’s funny. I don’t think it’s the best class in the game and Yes it’s very hard to play, but if my rotation is on point and my buffs are up I can kill almost anyone and I don’t die very often either. It sounds like your building your nightblade incorrectly to be honest...

Except that others would like to be able to do something other than have to follow boring and undermining meta for some classes!

So you just stated an opinion. [snip] Classes although they have the ability to do what ever they want are not built to do everything. The idea anyone would pick the nightblade and then be like I want to be a tank is just ridiculous. That’s like saying I want to be the best healer and not picking a Templar. [snip]

Sorry, but it's Zenimax who said we can do anything, it's not me who invented it

that was their sales pitch, plus they wanted to orient their classes with a dps, heal and tank branch.

madrab73

So this is a hissy fit due to NB tanks being impacted by buff to NB DD?

technohic

TineaCruris wrote: »

NB's have pretty close to if not the most well rounded set of skills available to them. They can even cloak.

If you can't work with the skills NB has available to them you are NEVER going to be able to play another class.

It's true that NBs do have a lot of utility to offer individually, bit I think a lot of players just struggle to pull it all together. Other classes seem to feel more straight forward, tank and spank melee style combat. I think they tried to make ke NB like that with the current merciless resolve stack buff but the single target, no delayed burst, and trying to combo them all on 1 player in a crowd with little group utility has made it rough. They still can be good gankers and bombers but identity is mixed.

Ironic to me is they now are making more stuff require a flank in stead of stealth, easing the ability to brawl in a larger fight, but then taking that merciless buff to crit. May still not be bad if you might be able to do a crit build and help your heals but I still feel like it's all over the place. And it's going to upset NBs who are used to a more ganking approach.

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LightningWitch

BigBragg wrote: »

Shame ZOS seems to have lost sight of the nightblade.

ZOS has lost sight of everything as they turn this game into "Skyrim Online", because let's be real: this is exactly where it's going.

I tire of the people whining about how their class can't kill another class, and how that class needed a nerf. ZOS listened, and now everything is unbalanced.

Then came the complaints about X skills are better than Y skills, and how they needed a nerf. ZOS listened, and now even races are unbalanced ([snip])

Now we're down to the few remaining skills, all dumbed down to "slow the game", and for what: homogenization of characters. I can't wait for the dev team to take away all the attributes of the races as Bethesda did in Skryim. Tall Altmers? Soon to be a thing of the past.

Every day I log into this game, I ask myself why I do so. My enjoyment of it is falling, and my friends I've met are long gone.

ZOS stands and brags about 11M registered users, while gritting through their teeth most are the damn bots everywhere in this game.

[snip]

I know people will think this is just another rant, but it's not. Look around. I see more "new" players than I do 810s, and this is a definite sign people have left the game.

Yes, I know some are alts, but that still doesn't change the fact there are far fewer 810s than one should see for a game out for 6 years.


[Edit for Bashing.]

Strider__Roshin

I don't think stamblade will be fun again until they remove the cast time from incap.

Khatou

The changes that the black blade deserves, and maybe allow it to get back in the race, or at least in the right way!

I believe that "Shadow Disguise" should be a vigorous morphing, in addition to the critical 3%, we should add an asset of the same nature as the average armor, which can "remove the slowing down and immobilization", or "stun" either a nearby person or the one attacking us. in Elder Scrolls Online, the invisibility is too easily interrupted and horribly short.

Have more invisibility time, because currently it is cruelly short, in Elder Scrolls Online invisibility is really ridiculous, limit, if a potion is better than the NB skill.

Maybe also allow us to remain invisible "without delay" until we are detected by the right spell(s)/potion(s) and/or our next attack,of course, the stam would still have to be taken into account.

We're assassins, damn it!!!

Another change to make concerns "Summon Shade", it too should be able to benefit "stam" players, I will opt for a change of "Dark Shade", some spells are entitled to damages based on "according to your maximum resource" so why not adapt the damage of this spell according to whether X plays stam or magic?

Many classes are entitled to farts with the choice of vigour or magic, except the NB, once again, despised!

For me it would be a respectable change for such a class, no matter what the grumpy may think!

@Zenimax A reaction ? an analysis ??? and friends in the shadows what do you think?

Pauwer

My problem with nightblade in pvp are the ultimate skills that have cast times. Because they almost never go off. Especially soul tether. It just does not work when there is a bigger fight. The animation happens, the sound happens, but no ultimate is used and no effect on enemies. And i just die like total tool. Fun.

zvavi

Khatou wrote: »

The changes that the black blade deserves, and maybe allow it to get back in the race, or at least in the right way!

I believe that "Shadow Disguise" should be a vigorous morphing, in addition to the critical 3%, we should add an asset of the same nature as the average armor, which can "remove the slowing down and immobilization", or "stun" either a nearby person or the one attacking us. in Elder Scrolls Online, the invisibility is too easily interrupted and horribly short.

Have more invisibility time, because currently it is cruelly short, in Elder Scrolls Online invisibility is really ridiculous, limit, if a potion is better than the NB skill.

Maybe also allow us to remain invisible "without delay" until we are detected by the right spell(s)/potion(s) and/or our next attack,of course, the stam would still have to be taken into account.

We're assassins, damn it!!!

Another change to make concerns "Summon Shade", it too should be able to benefit "stam" players, I will opt for a change of "Dark Shade", some spells are entitled to damages based on "according to your maximum resource" so why not adapt the damage of this spell according to whether X plays stam or magic?

Many classes are entitled to farts with the choice of vigour or magic, except the NB, once again, despised!

For me it would be a respectable change for such a class, no matter what the grumpy may think!

@Zenimax A reaction ? an analysis ??? and friends in the shadows what do you think?

Wait, it was a PvP post?!?!?!

Khatou

zvavi wrote: »

Khatou wrote: »

The changes that the black blade deserves, and maybe allow it to get back in the race, or at least in the right way!

I believe that "Shadow Disguise" should be a vigorous morphing, in addition to the critical 3%, we should add an asset of the same nature as the average armor, which can "remove the slowing down and immobilization", or "stun" either a nearby person or the one attacking us. in Elder Scrolls Online, the invisibility is too easily interrupted and horribly short.

Have more invisibility time, because currently it is cruelly short, in Elder Scrolls Online invisibility is really ridiculous, limit, if a potion is better than the NB skill.

Maybe also allow us to remain invisible "without delay" until we are detected by the right spell(s)/potion(s) and/or our next attack,of course, the stam would still have to be taken into account.

We're assassins, damn it!!!

Another change to make concerns "Summon Shade", it too should be able to benefit "stam" players, I will opt for a change of "Dark Shade", some spells are entitled to damages based on "according to your maximum resource" so why not adapt the damage of this spell according to whether X plays stam or magic?

Many classes are entitled to farts with the choice of vigour or magic, except the NB, once again, despised!

For me it would be a respectable change for such a class, no matter what the grumpy may think!

@Zenimax A reaction ? an analysis ??? and friends in the shadows what do you think?

Wait, it was a PvP post?!?!?!

mainly, yes , although 50/50, the idea on the second spell can adapt to the 2

Spartabunny08

LightningWitch wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

Shame ZOS seems to have lost sight of the nightblade.

ZOS has lost sight of everything as they turn this game into "Skyrim Online", because let's be real: this is exactly where it's going.

I tire of the people whining about how their class can't kill another class, and how that class needed a nerf. ZOS listened, and now everything is unbalanced.

Then came the complaints about X skills are better than Y skills, and how they needed a nerf. ZOS listened, and now even races are unbalanced ([snip])

Now we're down to the few remaining skills, all dumbed down to "slow the game", and for what: homogenization of characters. I can't wait for the dev team to take away all the attributes of the races as Bethesda did in Skryim. Tall Altmers? Soon to be a thing of the past.

Every day I log into this game, I ask myself why I do so. My enjoyment of it is falling, and my friends I've met are long gone.

ZOS stands and brags about 11M registered users, while gritting through their teeth most are the damn bots everywhere in this game.

[snip]

I know people will think this is just another rant, but it's not. Look around. I see more "new" players than I do 810s, and this is a definite sign people have left the game.

Yes, I know some are alts, but that still doesn't change the fact there are far fewer 810s than one should see for a game out for 6 years.


[Edit for Bashing.]

This is the truth. Mainly a pvper here but wow the amount of new players don't matter campaigns are like 70 to 80% new.

All the people I've ever met or guided with all left actually summerset did that to my guilds that long ago.

They've removed every classes identity in that every class had a strength and weakness so that balance can actually be achieved.

11 million users? For an mmo of this IPs caliber should easily be double that quadruple even. For reference warframe has 50 million users... i know ftp but eso base game isn't even 10 dollars so might as well be ftp.

Honestly I'm just confused with ESO I started a bit before the big morrowwind nerf and changes and I know this is a similar wheel of events but wow was this game just more fun back then? I loved this game back then. I couldn't quit playing now it's easy to quit playing and just go play warframe lol. No mans sky also wow talk about a game that launched horrible and totally redeemed themselves.

As a gamer that loves ESO I really wish the devs would work on fun not whatever this is but not like we have a choice so serenity and eso you do you and we will see where this lands.