Increase furnishing cap

ChaosWotan

After reluctantly accepting that ESO is partly a housing sim it's depressing to have my terraforming ambitions aborted by the cap on how much you can build. My tropical island now looks like Kamchatka, which is cool, but I want more! Please allow at least 300 more items on large estates.

kargen27

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/512076/february-2020-furnishing-limit-status-update/p1

Thread starts with a message from ZoS on the current cap and why it is where it is.

ChaosWotan

Tnx for informative link. I count on Moore's Law in computing when reading this:

"we have to ensure that it is a stable experience for you and your visitors as well, regardless of anyone’s platform or hardware specifications. That being said, improving performance is not a magic bullet solution for raising the furnishing cap in houses. “Performance” is a blanket term that encompasses frame rate, stability, memory usage, and other metrics related to how the game runs. Right now, setups that hit the minimum specifications can still struggle with homes that are fully decorated with relatively high impact furnishings. We know that many of you have been hoping that our focus on performance improvements this year would directly result in an increased furnishing cap. We still have a lot of work left on the performance front and when it’s completed, we will reevaluate to see if we can increase the furnishing limits."

People, buy better computers!

Alternatively, ESO can have two kinds of cap: one normal cap for those who want visitors regardless of their computer hardware, and another much higher cap for those who only want visitors with relatively high-end computers.

kargen27

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Tnx for informative link. I count on Moore's Law in computing when reading this:

"we have to ensure that it is a stable experience for you and your visitors as well, regardless of anyone’s platform or hardware specifications. That being said, improving performance is not a magic bullet solution for raising the furnishing cap in houses. “Performance” is a blanket term that encompasses frame rate, stability, memory usage, and other metrics related to how the game runs. Right now, setups that hit the minimum specifications can still struggle with homes that are fully decorated with relatively high impact furnishings. We know that many of you have been hoping that our focus on performance improvements this year would directly result in an increased furnishing cap. We still have a lot of work left on the performance front and when it’s completed, we will reevaluate to see if we can increase the furnishing limits."

People, buy better computers!

Alternatively, ESO can have two kinds of cap: one normal cap for those who want visitors regardless of their computer hardware, and another much higher cap for those who only want visitors with relatively high-end computers.

The alternative really isn't fair. If a person gets the game and sees their computer meets the required specifications they expect to have full access to the game. One idea that gets kicked around a lot in the forums is have outdoors and indoors as separate instances. Doesn't help for all homes and adds another load screen but I think most would accept the extra load screen.
Also not a perfect solution but ESO+ doubles cap space. I have a couple of friends that did a month of ESO+ and decorated their home then let ESO+ expire. This means they are stuck with the furniture they have out because if they put something back in the bag it can't be placed again without ESO+ but for them it was worth it.

I'm hoping they eventually come up with a solution to help us out. Until then we just gotta spread things around as best we can, or close off parts of the home.

BigBragg

Think it has less to do with PCs and more to do with our console friends.

eovogtb16_ESO

If you dont have ESO+ you have half the housing space. Even though I have bought everything in the game I am punished because I dont want to sub to this game.

Taleof2Cities

ChaosWotan wrote: »

People, buy better computers!

If you're telling me that I need to buy another $2k+ desktop (just to accommodate your playstyle) ... that's going to motivate me to do exactly the opposite and stand pat with my current potato.

kargen27

eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

If you dont have ESO+ you have half the housing space. Even though I have bought everything in the game I am punished because I dont want to sub to this game.

No, people who subscribe are rewarded. There is a difference.

BigBragg

kargen27 wrote: »

eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

If you dont have ESO+ you have half the housing space. Even though I have bought everything in the game I am punished because I dont want to sub to this game.

No, people who subscribe are rewarded. There is a difference.

Feels more like a double dip by ZOS after spending 12k-18k Crown for some of these estates.

ChaosWotan

If the default furnishing cap remains the same as it currently is today then nothing will change for console players and gamers with low-end computers if ESO adds an option for those with above average computers who accept that only visitors with relatively good hardware can visit their high-cap estates.

Mancombe_Nosehair

Just wait for the plus trial and decorate your house then.

I did it to get all of my chests into a small house.

Raudgrani

It's sad but necessary, of course.

I recently put the 600'th "Traditional Furnishing" into my Amaya Lake Lodge, and it actually felt pretty sad. Been furnishing it for weeks, always chasing something.
Last object was an Argonian target dummy btw., next to a stockade, with an Argonian skeleton (Midyear Mayhem achievement one) and an Argonian skull (from some furnishing pack, about dragons I believe...) beneath it on the ground. Mostly for show, I don't do dummy parses in fully furnished places (difference is huge).

I spend quite a lot of time on detail, and my place doesn't look crowded at all - quite "Spartan" on the contrary. Many small knick-knacks, and for example just the kitchen probably house like 200 items, but still looks pretty neat and tidy. "Bathroom section" also has a lot of small boxes, towels, mirrors and fans etc., but looks pretty tidy still.

I can understand that there has to be a cap. I see people put like a load of Summerset greenhouses, windmills, boats, sheds, rocks and what not into a place - which equals like the same number of items I have on my "saucier table" in the kitchen. It becomes kind of stupid, doesn't it?

Maybe, it could be an idea to create way more categories under "traditional furnishings", to better match the strain these objects put on the game? I mean, they clearly say they want anyone to be able of visiting a house, regardless of their hardware, and this is the main reason for the cap.

Just as an example: No one's computer is gonna crash from visiting my kitchen, but step into a friends Colossal Aldmeri Grotto, and it will catch fire. He has an entire skooma business there, with a load of greenhouses, windmills, and a forest of a skooma plantation - and a "refining laboratory" with every detailed/animated gold quality "apparatus" furnishing this game has to offer, a myriad of small bottles and such in high detail and so on. About the same number of items, but a silly difference in the power it takes to render.

I think the "strain cap" of houses is more relevant, than the umber of items. Maybe it would benefit a house like mine, maybe not. But it's not well balanced at the moment. That's for sure.

Luke_Flamesword

Eh, give us at least better caps at smaller houses - there are some with quite big space but low cap

ChaosWotan

Using the low specs of some gamers to justify the furnishing cap is hardware communism

In a crown store game that's certainly not egalitarian.

(I support Scandinavian welfare states btw.)

ESO doesn't fix the lag and performance issues in Cyrodiil, which now makes it unplayable for me with 17 FPS during battles in keeps, but then ESO argues that I can't fully play their house sim because it hurts the performance of console gamers...

Why should those who have gaming as their main hobby have limited freedom of choice in ESO only because of devs catering to players who don't prioritize this kind of hobby?

It's a bit like saying: Sorry, madam, despite buying a F1 car from our shop you can't fully use it on our track because that will ruin the racing experience of casual drivers in go-carts.

Ectheliontnacil

kargen27 wrote: »

eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

If you dont have ESO+ you have half the housing space. Even though I have bought everything in the game I am punished because I dont want to sub to this game.

No, people who subscribe are rewarded. There is a difference.

Yeah no. If you literally aren't allowed to fully decorate a house that you paid over 100 euros for, you are being punished for not having eso plus.

Well due to the ridiculous cap, you can't fully decorate anyways so who cares...

SamanthaCarter

Mount cap is 10 i got 220 mounts...

Sheridan

Furnishing cap increase is the thing I would spend any amount of crowns on without hesitation, instead of another 87th skin on the same wolf mount etc. I understand the perfomance issues, but at least they can allow the raise up one notch withing the existing maximum limits. I mean, if estates currently can endure containing 700 items, notable homes would also survive that, and so on.

All that influx of furnishings from the Antiquities system has literally nowhere to go...

slicksteezin

Since ZOS refuses to add more furnishing slots, whether it being by choice or because the game won't support it, it seems reasonable to me they should then at least bring down the absurd cost of the houses.

Seriously. the prices alone are so agregious it's basically a middle finger to the community that supports them. But adding to the fact that we're limited to such a low item cap for these massive houses?

[snip] You know, the portion of the community that likely puts the most cash in their pockets.

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