NB damage mitigation passives and skills would just be abused by pvp players (especially gankers) which will lead to even more NB nerfs.
NB tanks are strong in some specific encounters, but honestly if you want to be taken seriously as a tank you have to be a DK or a warden.
"Play how you want" — unless you're a NB and you want to tank or play PVP.NB damage mitigation passives and skills would just be abused by pvp players (especially gankers) which will lead to even more NB nerfs.
NB tanks are strong in some specific encounters, but honestly if you want to be taken seriously as a tank you have to be a DK or a warden.
Strider__Roshin wrote: »NB damage mitigation passives and skills would just be abused by pvp players (especially gankers) which will lead to even more NB nerfs.
NB tanks are strong in some specific encounters, but honestly if you want to be taken seriously as a tank you have to be a DK or a warden.
Not if you tie the mitigation to dark cloak. Which is what they should do.
the1andonlyskwex wrote: »Strider__Roshin wrote: »NB damage mitigation passives and skills would just be abused by pvp players (especially gankers) which will lead to even more NB nerfs.
NB tanks are strong in some specific encounters, but honestly if you want to be taken seriously as a tank you have to be a DK or a warden.
Not if you tie the mitigation to dark cloak. Which is what they should do.
That would just make Dark Cloak massively overpowered in PvP. It would basically be Necromancer's Deaden Pain with an 8 second duration and no corpse cost.
but honestly if you want to be taken seriously as a tank you have to be a DK or a warden.
NB tanks are strong in some specific encounters, but honestly if you want to be taken seriously as a tank you have to be a DK or a warden.
UntilValhalla13 wrote: »NB tanks are strong in some specific encounters, but honestly if you want to be taken seriously as a tank you have to be a DK or a warden.
I mean, I sorc tank a lot of dlc trials, and I love it. No one ever really brings sorcs to trials as much, so the buff is nice, and the mitigation is disgusting.
The only tank class that is currently struggling is Templar. NB tanks are strong.
Playboy_Shrek wrote: »The only tank class that is currently struggling is Templar. NB tanks are strong.
NB tanks is "Strong" because of grim focus, if grim focus is gone, NB tank is going to be not that far off from templar tier. Literally every time I looked up an NB tank guide the main highlight i grim focus unique damage mitigation
FrancisCrawford wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »The only tank class that is currently struggling is Templar. NB tanks are strong.
NB tanks is "Strong" because of grim focus, if grim focus is gone, NB tank is going to be not that far off from templar tier. Literally every time I looked up an NB tank guide the main highlight i grim focus unique damage mitigation
I've never tanked on a nightblade, but advantages I'm looking forward to evaluating include:
-- Untargeted and sometimes AoEish Minor Maim.
-- Major Evasion.
-- Major Resolve without spending a skill bar slot.
-- Ranged Breach/Fracture that can also be used as a self-heal in a trash fight.
-- The possibility of providing 1H&S's debuffs while actually running two staffs for a stronger Weakening enchant.
-- Magicka-based fear.
So I'm curious: Which of those do people actually like in practice?
NB damage mitigation passives and skills would just be abused by pvp players (especially gankers) which will lead to even more NB nerfs.
NB tanks are strong in some specific encounters, but honestly if you want to be taken seriously as a tank you have to be a DK or a warden.
Playboy_Shrek wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »The only tank class that is currently struggling is Templar. NB tanks are strong.
NB tanks is "Strong" because of grim focus, if grim focus is gone, NB tank is going to be not that far off from templar tier. Literally every time I looked up an NB tank guide the main highlight i grim focus unique damage mitigation
I've never tanked on a nightblade, but advantages I'm looking forward to evaluating include:
-- Untargeted and sometimes AoEish Minor Maim.
-- Major Evasion.
-- Major Resolve without spending a skill bar slot.
-- Ranged Breach/Fracture that can also be used as a self-heal in a trash fight.
-- The possibility of providing 1H&S's debuffs while actually running two staffs for a stronger Weakening enchant.
-- Magicka-based fear.
So I'm curious: Which of those do people actually like in practice?
the fear is for non-elite enemies trash mobs. basically, dungeons that are already easy as hell even for a 30khp tank.
nobody is not running 1h and shield and situation ally okay. the power extraction is useable. but the range is pretty limited. I use it to generate ult from the siphoning tree not much more.
nobody is using mark target.
major resolve without skill slot is nice.
major evasion is nice in vSS, a lot of other trials your tanking 95% direct damage so you generally backbar it or dont slot it at all outside of vSS and some dungeonns but generally backbar it and use it here and there.
the minor maim is great but the skill doesn't provide much else besides the minor maim. low slash gives ult generation which is way better.
NB can't really buff your team like warden or DK.
Playboy_Shrek wrote: »The only tank class that is currently struggling is Templar. NB tanks are strong.
NB tanks is "Strong" because of grim focus, if grim focus is gone, NB tank is going to be not that far off from templar tier. Literally every time I looked up an NB tank guide the main highlight i grim focus unique damage mitigation
FrancisCrawford wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »The only tank class that is currently struggling is Templar. NB tanks are strong.
NB tanks is "Strong" because of grim focus, if grim focus is gone, NB tank is going to be not that far off from templar tier. Literally every time I looked up an NB tank guide the main highlight i grim focus unique damage mitigation
I've never tanked on a nightblade, but advantages I'm looking forward to evaluating include:
-- Untargeted and sometimes AoEish Minor Maim.
-- Major Evasion.
-- Major Resolve without spending a skill bar slot.
-- Ranged Breach/Fracture that can also be used as a self-heal in a trash fight.
-- The possibility of providing 1H&S's debuffs while actually running two staffs for a stronger Weakening enchant.
-- Magicka-based fear.
So I'm curious: Which of those do people actually like in practice?
the fear is for non-elite enemies trash mobs. basically, dungeons that are already easy as hell even for a 30khp tank.
nobody is not running 1h and shield and situation ally okay. the power extraction is useable. but the range is pretty limited. I use it to generate ult from the siphoning tree not much more.
nobody is using mark target.
major resolve without skill slot is nice.
major evasion is nice in vSS, a lot of other trials your tanking 95% direct damage so you generally backbar it or dont slot it at all outside of vSS and some dungeonns but generally backbar it and use it here and there.
the minor maim is great but the skill doesn't provide much else besides the minor maim. low slash gives ult generation which is way better.
NB can't really buff your team like warden or DK.
Which warden or DK buffs matters?
Does anybody care about the warden group Major Resolve or the DK group Major Brutality/Sorcery?
Minor Brutality is nice of course ... assuming the group isn't all magicka.
Do warden heals proc Minor Toughness?
Does anybody still rely on a tank for Engulfing Flames?
What else am I overlooking?
Calypso589 wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »The only tank class that is currently struggling is Templar. NB tanks are strong.
NB tanks is "Strong" because of grim focus, if grim focus is gone, NB tank is going to be not that far off from templar tier. Literally every time I looked up an NB tank guide the main highlight i grim focus unique damage mitigation
I've never tanked on a nightblade, but advantages I'm looking forward to evaluating include:
-- Untargeted and sometimes AoEish Minor Maim.
-- Major Evasion.
-- Major Resolve without spending a skill bar slot.
-- Ranged Breach/Fracture that can also be used as a self-heal in a trash fight.
-- The possibility of providing 1H&S's debuffs while actually running two staffs for a stronger Weakening enchant.
-- Magicka-based fear.
So I'm curious: Which of those do people actually like in practice?
the fear is for non-elite enemies trash mobs. basically, dungeons that are already easy as hell even for a 30khp tank.
nobody is not running 1h and shield and situation ally okay. the power extraction is useable. but the range is pretty limited. I use it to generate ult from the siphoning tree not much more.
nobody is using mark target.
major resolve without skill slot is nice.
major evasion is nice in vSS, a lot of other trials your tanking 95% direct damage so you generally backbar it or dont slot it at all outside of vSS and some dungeonns but generally backbar it and use it here and there.
the minor maim is great but the skill doesn't provide much else besides the minor maim. low slash gives ult generation which is way better.
NB can't really buff your team like warden or DK.
Which warden or DK buffs matters?
Does anybody care about the warden group Major Resolve or the DK group Major Brutality/Sorcery?
Minor Brutality is nice of course ... assuming the group isn't all magicka.
Do warden heals proc Minor Toughness?
Does anybody still rely on a tank for Engulfing Flames?
What else am I overlooking?
1. Many of them.
2. Yes. In the case of the Warden, Minor Toughness is main attraction. Magdks can provide Major brutality or Sorcery so a magicka composition can honestly flex their main tank.
3. Minor Brutality is just a by product of the other buffs a DK tank is providing to a Mag comp.
4. Yes. If there is no warden healer, then a warden tank just throws down an Altar.
5. Next patch you may see more DKs providing engulfing (8% rather than 10 is really all you need). You might see this more on the higher end thanks to the sustain hit Magdks took in the PTS so it's possible we may see more Sorc tanks or even DK healers. There's a lot of possibilities.
exeeter702 wrote: »Calypso589 wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »The only tank class that is currently struggling is Templar. NB tanks are strong.
NB tanks is "Strong" because of grim focus, if grim focus is gone, NB tank is going to be not that far off from templar tier. Literally every time I looked up an NB tank guide the main highlight i grim focus unique damage mitigation
I've never tanked on a nightblade, but advantages I'm looking forward to evaluating include:
-- Untargeted and sometimes AoEish Minor Maim.
-- Major Evasion.
-- Major Resolve without spending a skill bar slot.
-- Ranged Breach/Fracture that can also be used as a self-heal in a trash fight.
-- The possibility of providing 1H&S's debuffs while actually running two staffs for a stronger Weakening enchant.
-- Magicka-based fear.
So I'm curious: Which of those do people actually like in practice?
the fear is for non-elite enemies trash mobs. basically, dungeons that are already easy as hell even for a 30khp tank.
nobody is not running 1h and shield and situation ally okay. the power extraction is useable. but the range is pretty limited. I use it to generate ult from the siphoning tree not much more.
nobody is using mark target.
major resolve without skill slot is nice.
major evasion is nice in vSS, a lot of other trials your tanking 95% direct damage so you generally backbar it or dont slot it at all outside of vSS and some dungeonns but generally backbar it and use it here and there.
the minor maim is great but the skill doesn't provide much else besides the minor maim. low slash gives ult generation which is way better.
NB can't really buff your team like warden or DK.
Which warden or DK buffs matters?
Does anybody care about the warden group Major Resolve or the DK group Major Brutality/Sorcery?
Minor Brutality is nice of course ... assuming the group isn't all magicka.
Do warden heals proc Minor Toughness?
Does anybody still rely on a tank for Engulfing Flames?
What else am I overlooking?
1. Many of them.
2. Yes. In the case of the Warden, Minor Toughness is main attraction. Magdks can provide Major brutality or Sorcery so a magicka composition can honestly flex their main tank.
3. Minor Brutality is just a by product of the other buffs a DK tank is providing to a Mag comp.
4. Yes. If there is no warden healer, then a warden tank just throws down an Altar.
5. Next patch you may see more DKs providing engulfing (8% rather than 10 is really all you need). You might see this more on the higher end thanks to the sustain hit Magdks took in the PTS so it's possible we may see more Sorc tanks or even DK healers. There's a lot of possibilities.
Naw sorry, not many of them. The only reason these would be considered "tank" buffs is because the other roles are equally shoehorned into certian classes. Minor toughness, minor intellect, group wide major sorc/brut and resolve are all not intrisincially tied to the tank roll. That is just circumstances.
Assuming the group would benefit from a provided group wide major buff such as resolve or sorc/brut a dk healer or warden healer can easily fufill that need. Minor toughness can be covered by warden, regardless of their role without taking a hit to dps let alone healer or tank. Dk tanks have one unique perk and that is an hp scaled group shield that on average soaks one tick of a group wide damage scenario at best.
The minor toughness, brut, sav, sorc, proph, are all generated by the class simply being present in a group, this is how these passives are designed. Regarding more intentionally utility, said tools are not exclusively or more practically afforded to tanks over other roles, namely tank/healers. A sorcerer healer or a warden tank can give the group minor intellect, a nb tank or warden healer can give e group wide major protection on a stack phase. A dk healer or tank can give group wide major damage buff. A warden tank or healer can give group wide armor buff, the list goes on. Just because DK healers and templar tanks could really use a buff in those respective roles does not make the other roles inferior by design.