Please participate in AoE test

robpr

A lot of people already declared that they will sit and wait for tests to end. Nothing to say more. PLEASE PARTICIPATE IN THE TEST
-Yes its gonna be painful
-Yes, it will destroy [my class here]
-Yes, nobody likes cooldowns
-Yes, nobody likes so drastic changes
-Yes, it's a game design fault if AoEs are the problem

but if its gonna help, even by any slightest bit to make Cyro a little more pleasant, please do.
Think about it as another Sheogorath toying with us to make alliance war "more interesting and more cheese". Remember that changes are temporary for now.
I want to game live for longest, there is no other experience than this. Bad performance is nail in the coffin of any competitive environment.

PvPers, enjoy double AP
PvErs, you can also help by simply checking the performance in combat fighting Resource NPCs or delves.

Test will yield nothing if simply there would be not many people logged in. It needs to be real stress test.

Mayrael

If just PC EU could log in, oh wait after almost 24h we can! Yay... Now I appreciate they try to do something but... During MYM performance wasn't flawless but it was better, now it's trash again, coincidence? Also despite I don't like ball groups, it's legitimate play style and introducing cool downs on skills is lazy approach that hurts everyone, not only ball groups. If devs want to lead this game this way, I don't care.

Athyrium93

I agree everyone should go, everyone should do their absolute best to participate. Everyone should also make sure to make their opinion as known as possible, because maybe if everyone tells them in is awful they won't make the change permanent.

nemvar

I will go nightblade and abuse the fact that they can only break cloak every 3 seconds.

adilazimdegilx

No. It's pointless.
If they are actually implement AOE cooldowns it's the end of the game for me, so it's pointless.
If they wont actually implement AOE cooldowns this test results dont really help to improve performance anyway, so it's pointless.

Dojohoda

I plan to participate. I also participated in the no-cp test that was done years ago. The aoe hypothesis needs to be either proven or disproven and I hope most of us will show up to provide a lot of meaningful data.

VaranisArano

If it's going to destroy your class, you've got to participate in the test.
Tell ZOS its going to destroy your class with as much evidence as possible.

If its going to ruin all the fun of PVP, you've got to participate in the test.
Tell ZOS its going to ruin all the fun of PVP with as much evidence as possible.

If you don't participate, how can you expect ZOS to listen to you?

jaws343

adilazimdegilx wrote: »

No. It's pointless.
If they are actually implement AOE cooldowns it's the end of the game for me, so it's pointless.
If they wont actually implement AOE cooldowns this test results dont really help to improve performance anyway, so it's pointless.

But if the test shows that the cooldowns or the ramping costs lessened the stress and improved performance, they can identify, for sure, that the spamming of those abilities are the root cause of the problem. Until they can definitely prove that, they really can't make any informed improvements.

And even if the cooldown shows that they were right, and AOEs are the problem, the solution might be something completely different. But if people are going to refuse to even participate in testing, how will they ever figure it out? What could they possibly do that wouldn't be intrusive but would also provide information for the results they are looking for? The answer is nothing. There is nothing they can do to test this that wouldn't have a negative impact on some aspect of the game. That is the nature of testing something like this.

And if players aren't going to even participate in a test, then stop complaining about performance in the forums. You can't complain about performance and the lose your minds when they listen and make efforts to figure out how to solve the problems you are complaining about.

Sanguinor2

If I participate its gonna be on stamblade.
I dont need to test playing magplar with having to choose between my main offensive or my main defensive abilities and then not being able to cast either for 3 seconds to know it will be absolutely miserable.

luen79rwb17_ESO

First test to turn ESO into your average GCD / Skill CD MMO... Yaaaaay! So much for "manage your resources"

VaranisArano

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

First test to turn ESO into your average GCD / Skill CD MMO... Yaaaaay! So much for "manage your resources"

Well, this is pretty much a reaction to the ability of organized groups to build so that they've managed their resources in order to chain cast skills constantly. It sounds like ZOS intended for "manage your resources" to mean that you had to take breaks from casting in what is effectively a cooldown without actually imposing one. They were okay with groups figuring out how to bypass that, until it became clear that it was causing problems for the server. Now they are looking to see if they need to actually impose a cooldown.

Warraxx

i already uninstalled the game...

Hurbster

Might as well use Rapids while I can...

sunshineflame

Warraxx wrote: »

i already uninstalled the game...

Bye, next time send me your stuff

Cinbri

Participate to play the role of target dummy for opponents? Sounds so inspiring.

itscompton

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

If I participate its gonna be on stamblade.
I dont need to test playing magplar with having to choose between my main offensive or my main defensive abilities and then not being able to cast either for 3 seconds to know it will be absolutely miserable.

I see a lot of freaking out about how these changes will affect Templars and I agree it will suck to play them during the test but people need to realize this is a test phase not a permanent new meta. If the data shows that AOE's are indeed the culprit for the poor perfomance then they will be adjusted on a more permanent basis in some future patch, but at that point they'd also start identifying abilities that should be "rule breakers" and I'm sure Jabs/Sweeps being a spammable would be one of those.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

For Double AP, they could disable every skill and gear set in the game and make it a nude slap fight, and I would be there with bells on.

Karmanorway

Fine. But If i dont like the new nerfed streak (which btw is 1 of 3 usable class skills for me) on my stamsorc. Then i will probably take a long break from Elder Dizzy Online as well...

Tommy_The_Gun

I will participate... if they finally add older DLC Monster Helmets to Gold Vendor (The ones that were never there, but we had shoulders)...

Kadoin

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I will participate... if they finally add older DLC Monster Helmets to Gold Vendor (The ones that were never there, but we had shoulders)...

Watch bloodspawn appear on Friday just because you said that!

carlos424

Dojohoda wrote: »

I plan to participate. I also participated in the no-cp test that was done years ago. The aoe hypothesis needs to be either proven or disproven and I hope most of us will show up to provide a lot of meaningful data.

Of course it will improve performance. That’s the problem. They have already said that if performance improves “please be aware that if these tests confirm our hypothesis, then chain-casting AOE abilities will no longer form the core of the ESO PvP experience.” So basically, start preparing for aoe abilities to “no longer form the core of the eso pvp experience”. I mean, I guess it’s nice that they will “test” their hypothesis, but make no mistake, these changes will be implemented in some form. They HAVE to do something and this will be the easiest, quickest fix, since upgrading services, code, and server performance would cost money, and it does not seem they are prepared to do that.

Squeaky_Clean

No. It's the wrong direction.

adilazimdegilx

jaws343 wrote: »

adilazimdegilx wrote: »

No. It's pointless.
If they are actually implement AOE cooldowns it's the end of the game for me, so it's pointless.
If they wont actually implement AOE cooldowns this test results dont really help to improve performance anyway, so it's pointless.

But if the test shows that the cooldowns or the ramping costs lessened the stress and improved performance, they can identify, for sure, that the spamming of those abilities are the root cause of the problem. Until they can definitely prove that, they really can't make any informed improvements.

And even if the cooldown shows that they were right, and AOEs are the problem, the solution might be something completely different. But if people are going to refuse to even participate in testing, how will they ever figure it out? What could they possibly do that wouldn't be intrusive but would also provide information for the results they are looking for? The answer is nothing. There is nothing they can do to test this that wouldn't have a negative impact on some aspect of the game. That is the nature of testing something like this.

And if players aren't going to even participate in a test, then stop complaining about performance in the forums. You can't complain about performance and the lose your minds when they listen and make efforts to figure out how to solve the problems you are complaining about.

If they purely wanted to test the impact of AOE spamming they could just disable them entirely. Having relatively small CD on them is obviously showing how they'd choose to go after tests.
Pretty sure they dont need a test to see if sending many messages affecting the performance, answer for that is big YES. But solution to decrease the number of messages should not be implemented that way. Having no cooldown on skills IS very core of combat system in ESO. Just thinking about having cooldowns bothers me as a player since beta.

I would participate gladly if I'd think this is just a simple less message sending test. I get on PTS as much as I can already.

Luke_Flamesword

Please, don't whine about 3 seconds cooldown - it's a lot but they must test it with so big change to really see real impact of it. That doesn't mean that they will stay with 3 seconds forever. With so long cooldown they just will see how much AOEs change performance. If they will see that is a big diiference, they will bring some solutions but probably not so hardcore, so calm down

You must see this subtle difference. They don't test how good will be 3 seconds cooldown, they just check how Cyrodiil will look without AOE mass spam.

TequilaFire

I will participate, but it won't be pretty when I cast most any Templar ability and my whole skill bar grays out for 3 seconds.
Guess I will have to get on one of my gankblades. lol

Thechuckage

Now if it WAS a nude slapfight, with AoEs thrown in for testing and hilarity purposes, that would get some traction.

FangOfTheTwoMoons

Agree 100%

We should all participate to prove that even with the AoE changes Cyrodiil will still be a mess. Maybe then the executives at ZOS will finally realize they need to use some of the Clown Crate money to upgrade their infrastructure, instead of giving the poor combat team an impossible task. It's like trying to squeez blood from a rock.

SidraWillowsky

I think they need to offer more PvE-friendly rewards if they want to entice people to come. Maybe have the first Rewards for the Worthy box have a chance at dropping rare/valuable stuff like mounts/skins/pets/whatever else people go for. Double AP isn't enough to bring in the crowds that they need... and that perhaps we as a player base need.

If people refuse to participate, there'll be fewer people in Cyrodiil. If there are fewer people, performance is going to be better. If performance is better, they're more likely to declare that their hypothesis has been confirmed, aka a Type 1 error Then we're all screwed.

Seriously, bring all the people that you can.

Jeremy

robpr wrote: »

A lot of people already declared that they will sit and wait for tests to end. Nothing to say more. PLEASE PARTICIPATE IN THE TEST
-Yes its gonna be painful
-Yes, it will destroy [my class here]
-Yes, nobody likes cooldowns
-Yes, nobody likes so drastic changes
-Yes, it's a game design fault if AoEs are the problem

but if its gonna help, even by any slightest bit to make Cyro a little more pleasant, please do.
Think about it as another Sheogorath toying with us to make alliance war "more interesting and more cheese". Remember that changes are temporary for now.
I want to game live for longest, there is no other experience than this. Bad performance is nail in the coffin of any competitive environment.

PvPers, enjoy double AP
PvErs, you can also help by simply checking the performance in combat fighting Resource NPCs or delves.

Test will yield nothing if simply there would be not many people logged in. It needs to be real stress test.

I'm planning on participating. But I don't understand why this is necessary.

If they think it's an abundance of Area of Attack skills causing the lag - then why not just simulate the effects of lots of AoE skills going off and see? I don't understand why you would have to go live to test that.

This seems like another shot in the dark to me - like when they theorized the added calculations from CP was the cause of the lag when I knew it wasn't. The reason no CP Cyrodil has better performance than CP Cyrodil is simply because the no CP campaign is less crowded. The root problem is their server just can't handle the load when a lot of players are active at once. You saw the same thing happen right after Greymoor launched and West Skyrim became unplayable due to lag. Was that because there was "ball groups" running around spamming AoE? In PvE? Not likely. So I'm very skeptical this is going to have any significant effect.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

I find it hilarious because I main the one class that will be the least effected from this change, now you know how us Nightblades feel about the constant nerfs that we received, if anything this will bring the classes back into balance just as it should be.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Thechuckage wrote: »

Now if it WAS a nude slapfight, with AoEs thrown in for testing and hilarity purposes, that would get some traction.

This guy gets it! LOL