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Beta founder returning
Winnower
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After 5 years absent, i am considering returning. Given the amount of DLC since I left in early 2015 I am curious how one can buy all the content upfront, or should I subscribe or what? I have the launcher doing an infinite update now, and have recovered the names and log-ins for my accounts so far, so this process is just beginning. When I left i had at least one V12 avatar that I can remember, and a passel of other Vlevel characters.
Any tips about the process and how I might handle getting back in will be welcome, thank you.
Until such time, all time be time.
Ayida Winnower, formerly of Firiona Vie, Lord of the Rings, ESO, GWII, SWTOR, and god help me Black Desert
Any tips about the process and how I might handle getting back in will be welcome, thank you.
Until such time, all time be time.
Ayida Winnower, formerly of Firiona Vie, Lord of the Rings, ESO, GWII, SWTOR, and god help me Black Desert
VR14 Templar, VR14 DK, VR8 DK, VR7 NB, VR1 Sorcerer;
All 3 Alliances;
2 Pre-order Imperial Accounts, yes that means 16 characters on NA alone
All 3 Alliances;
2 Pre-order Imperial Accounts, yes that means 16 characters on NA alone
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r3turn2s3nd3r✭✭✭✭Just dive in honestly, there's so much that's changed since launch it's a different game. VR ranks are long gone and the Champion System is used now. Max gear rank is CP160 and character rank is CP810.
You can get all dlc content except current Chapter (Greymoor now) via subbing.4 -
Winnower✭✭✭✭r3turn2s3nd3r wrote: »Just dive in honestly, there's so much that's changed since launch it's a different game. VR ranks are long gone and the Champion System is used now. Max gear rank is CP160 and character rank is CP810.
You can get all dlc content except current Chapter (Greymoor now) via subbing.
So you are saying that if I sub, even for a month, I get all the DLC permanently (except for Greymoor), even after my sub runs out?VR14 Templar, VR14 DK, VR8 DK, VR7 NB, VR1 Sorcerer;
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Major_Lag✭✭✭✭✭
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No, you only get access while your sub is active.r3turn2s3nd3r wrote: »Just dive in honestly, there's so much that's changed since launch it's a different game. VR ranks are long gone and the Champion System is used now. Max gear rank is CP160 and character rank is CP810.
You can get all dlc content except current Chapter (Greymoor now) via subbing.
So you are saying that if I sub, even for a month, I get all the DLC permanently (except for Greymoor), even after my sub runs out?2 -
ShawnLaRock✭✭✭✭✭
✭Welcome back!
If you have been away for that long, I would maybe suggest not going “all in” right away. There is a ton of content in just the base game to refamiliarize yourself with - and doing that will help you decide if you want to stay, and which areas you would want to expand into.
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stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, you get access to the DLC content only for as long as you pay the subscription fee.
It's a good way of sampling the content, though, and decide which DLC you might possibly want to purchase if you don't plan on staying subscribed.
Your VR12 characters will be CP120 and not really ready for playing straight away. You will need to spend a few hours leveling up to CP160 by doing some quests and other easy content and getting them geared up. On the plus side, nothing in overland is difficult any longer after the "One Tamriel" update, and you can fight anything in any zone without fear of meeting enemies that are above your level. Good luck!
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r3turn2s3nd3r✭✭✭✭ShawnLaRock wrote: »Welcome back!
If you have been away for that long, I would maybe suggest not going “all in” right away. There is a ton of content in just the base game to refamiliarize yourself with - and doing that will help you decide if you want to stay, and which areas you would want to expand into.
S.
The only gotcha if you don't sub is that you will be playing Inventory Management Online. So even if you don't necessarily hit any of the DLC, the craft bag will save you a lot of pain dealing with inventory 'mules'.4 -
Winnower✭✭✭✭stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »No, you get access to the DLC content only for as long as you pay the subscription fee.
It's a good way of sampling the content, though, and decide which DLC you might possibly want to purchase if you don't plan on staying subscribed.
Your VR12 characters will be CP120 and not really ready for playing straight away. You will need to spend a few hours leveling up to CP160 by doing some quests and other easy content and getting them geared up. On the plus side, nothing in overland is difficult any longer after the "One Tamriel" update, and you can fight anything in any zone without fear of meeting enemies that are above your level. Good luck!
Thank you for the information. It does leave me wondering what on Tamriel is going on? If I started a brand new character, it surely wouldn't be CP120; I can't wait to find out how the game is structured now. But having nothing be difficult anymore in overland sounds like the same "level balancing" mess they did in SWTOR, oh well.VR14 Templar, VR14 DK, VR8 DK, VR7 NB, VR1 Sorcerer;
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Mitrenga✭✭✭✭✭DLCs and chapters are different though. So, no access to Greymoor but you are OK for the rest of the content.0 -
r3turn2s3nd3r✭✭✭✭stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »No, you get access to the DLC content only for as long as you pay the subscription fee.
It's a good way of sampling the content, though, and decide which DLC you might possibly want to purchase if you don't plan on staying subscribed.
Your VR12 characters will be CP120 and not really ready for playing straight away. You will need to spend a few hours leveling up to CP160 by doing some quests and other easy content and getting them geared up. On the plus side, nothing in overland is difficult any longer after the "One Tamriel" update, and you can fight anything in any zone without fear of meeting enemies that are above your level. Good luck!
Thank you for the information. It does leave me wondering what on Tamriel is going on? If I started a brand new character, it surely wouldn't be CP120; I can't wait to find out how the game is structured now. But having nothing be difficult anymore in overland sounds like the same "level balancing" mess they did in SWTOR, oh well.
New characters would start like you may remember, you'll come out of the tutorial about level 3 or 4. Once you hit 50, you gain your current CP rank. This is unlike how it was before and you had to level each character fully to VR rank. Much more alt friendly now.But having nothing be difficult anymore in overland sounds like the same "level balancing" mess they did in SWTOR, oh well.
Every npc in the game is static CP160. When a player is not CP160 the are 'battle scaled' up to CP160. This also allows for 'twinks' if you have max CP already as you can allocate that even on a new character. So, if you see some level 20 destroying things and wonder why you cannot yet, it's because they allocated CP on that level 20.Edited by r3turn2s3nd3r on July 28, 2020 6:24PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »No, you get access to the DLC content only for as long as you pay the subscription fee.
It's a good way of sampling the content, though, and decide which DLC you might possibly want to purchase if you don't plan on staying subscribed.
Your VR12 characters will be CP120 and not really ready for playing straight away. You will need to spend a few hours leveling up to CP160 by doing some quests and other easy content and getting them geared up. On the plus side, nothing in overland is difficult any longer after the "One Tamriel" update, and you can fight anything in any zone without fear of meeting enemies that are above your level. Good luck!
Thank you for the information. It does leave me wondering what on Tamriel is going on? If I started a brand new character, it surely wouldn't be CP120; I can't wait to find out how the game is structured now. But having nothing be difficult anymore in overland sounds like the same "level balancing" mess they did in SWTOR, oh well.
it kinda is - in that you can distribute the points right away, but you won't be leveling cp until you hit max level. in terms of swtor - its basically your legacy levels/buffs (and to some degree datacron buffs - since those are also legacy wide nowadays)
the scaling in different in that in swtor - you are scaled down, while in ESO - you are scaled up. what it means functionaly is that in swtor - you can go to older planets, but you cannot go to higher level ones (in part due to story progression and in part due to being under-leveled), while in ESO - you can go absolutely everywhere from lvl 1 - well.. lvl 3 ish since that's the level you typically are when doing (or skipping tutorial)dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***1 -
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✭✭Honestly I'd recommend the same thing for any new player. Play what you want, do what sounds fun and new. The quests are great — Orsinium, Murkmire, and Thieves Guild are popular DLC questlines that don't benefit from having done any prior questlines plotwise. ESO+ is worth it for the crafting bag and housing and banking benefits.
There's a good post about what order to do the other DLC/chapters in if you want to follow a chronological order. I'd join a guild soon if you wanna do casual dungeons, unless you wanted to play solo quests for a bit
CP: Once you get to level 50, your experience goes towards your CP levels. CP earned is shared between all characters, even new ones. Each CP is like a mini perk point for one of the 4 passive bonuses in each of the 9 CP trees, split between Magicka, Stamina, and Health. For example,a CP point spent in one of the 3 Magicka trees gives you a bonus (like +0.5% Critical Damage done) and increases your Max Magicka a little bit. The milestones are as follows:
- CP 160: Gear cap. Means you can finally craft/farm gear that you will never outlevel
- CP 300: Max Health/Stamina/Magicka bonuses stop here, and you can queue for veteran DLC dungeons. Time for endgame!
- CP~600ish: pretty much max CP since CP points give diminishing returns with each point invested in the same passive
- CP 810: Max current CP. They used to increase it all the time but stopped at 810, promising a rework to the whole system. That was a few years ago, but the system serves its purpose and most players don't think a rework is urgently needed
Welcome back and have fun!!
P.S. Some of your characters or guild banks might have discontinued items in them. Like crafting ingredients that say "Old" in them (ie "Old Lemon"). These are sorta collector's items among a few players and might be worth a bit of gold.PC-NA
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RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭Dude...so you were one of those grinding vr ranks back then
SOOOO MUCH FANTASTIC MEMORIES!!
My life was so different too...
Just play and enjoy. The game is different now but no THAT much. The stories and dungeons were better back then imho.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd certainly recommend starting over, just get the feel for the new way the game plays as jumping straight into endgame will most likely just leave you lost and bewildered. I'd even suggest starting over on the other regional server, depending on where you are and your connection etc you may well notice no difference in performance, at least unless and until you take on competitive content. Playing non-competitively on both PC EU and NA from the UK I don't find any difference at all performance-wise. Lastly, I'd recommend playing how you want to at least to begin with, don't bog yourself down with other people's builds and approaches, find your own.0 -
Iarao✭✭✭✭stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »No, you get access to the DLC content only for as long as you pay the subscription fee.
It's a good way of sampling the content, though, and decide which DLC you might possibly want to purchase if you don't plan on staying subscribed.
Your VR12 characters will be CP120 and not really ready for playing straight away. You will need to spend a few hours leveling up to CP160 by doing some quests and other easy content and getting them geared up. On the plus side, nothing in overland is difficult any longer after the "One Tamriel" update, and you can fight anything in any zone without fear of meeting enemies that are above your level. Good luck!
Thank you for the information. It does leave me wondering what on Tamriel is going on? If I started a brand new character, it surely wouldn't be CP120; I can't wait to find out how the game is structured now. But having nothing be difficult anymore in overland sounds like the same "level balancing" mess they did in SWTOR, oh well.
perhaps you should make a new toon and go from there. have fun and dont worry about leveling fast.0 -
Iarao✭✭✭✭I'd certainly recommend starting over, just get the feel for the new way the game plays as jumping straight into endgame will most likely just leave you lost and bewildered. I'd even suggest starting over on the other regional server, depending on where you are and your connection etc you may well notice no difference in performance, at least unless and until you take on competitive content. Playing non-competitively on both PC EU and NA from the UK I don't find any difference at all performance-wise. Lastly, I'd recommend playing how you want to at least to begin with, don't bog yourself down with other people's builds and approaches, find your own.
i have trouble with making a build so i go to alcasthq.com if yu want to do your own, eso-sets.com would probably be helpful.0 -
Iarao✭✭✭✭r3turn2s3nd3r wrote: »stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »No, you get access to the DLC content only for as long as you pay the subscription fee.
It's a good way of sampling the content, though, and decide which DLC you might possibly want to purchase if you don't plan on staying subscribed.
Your VR12 characters will be CP120 and not really ready for playing straight away. You will need to spend a few hours leveling up to CP160 by doing some quests and other easy content and getting them geared up. On the plus side, nothing in overland is difficult any longer after the "One Tamriel" update, and you can fight anything in any zone without fear of meeting enemies that are above your level. Good luck!
Thank you for the information. It does leave me wondering what on Tamriel is going on? If I started a brand new character, it surely wouldn't be CP120; I can't wait to find out how the game is structured now. But having nothing be difficult anymore in overland sounds like the same "level balancing" mess they did in SWTOR, oh well.
New characters would start like you may remember, you'll come out of the tutorial about level 3 or 4. Once you hit 50, you gain your current CP rank. This is unlike how it was before and you had to level each character fully to VR rank. Much more alt friendly now.
i dont think start is quite the same?
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd certainly recommend starting over, just get the feel for the new way the game plays as jumping straight into endgame will most likely just leave you lost and bewildered. I'd even suggest starting over on the other regional server, depending on where you are and your connection etc you may well notice no difference in performance, at least unless and until you take on competitive content. Playing non-competitively on both PC EU and NA from the UK I don't find any difference at all performance-wise. Lastly, I'd recommend playing how you want to at least to begin with, don't bog yourself down with other people's builds and approaches, find your own.
i have trouble with making a build so i go to alcasthq.com if yu want to do your own, eso-sets.com would probably be helpful.
If you want to do your own, the whole point is that you don't go anywhere - you do your own
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Winnower✭✭✭✭This is all excellent information, thank you all for replying to my post. When i restarted SWTOR at the beginning of the pandemic i did in fact make a couple new characters to relearn how to play, and that is a great suggestion for here as well.
Blessed be,
Ayida WinnowerVR14 Templar, VR14 DK, VR8 DK, VR7 NB, VR1 Sorcerer;
All 3 Alliances;
2 Pre-order Imperial Accounts, yes that means 16 characters on NA alone0 -
redshirt_49✭✭✭✭This is all excellent information, thank you all for replying to my post. When i restarted SWTOR at the beginning of the pandemic i did in fact make a couple new characters to relearn how to play, and that is a great suggestion for here as well.
Blessed be,
Ayida Winnower
Yup, though the community loves to complain (don't they all) the game has made quite the strides since the old days.
Common items sets are endgame-viable, VR ranks are stream-lined across your characters (You can even use your CP skill points on new level 1 characters, though you cannot gain any more until you hit 50), earning gold is no longer such a tedious grind, instancing and grouping in Overworld areas has been made more "play-with-friends or alone" friendly and much more.
That said, the sheer amount of questlines and the fact a new character will always start in the newest expansion area (if you have it) even though it is out of sequence story-wise is a pet peeve of mine. If such things as keeping the story consistent is important you, I recommend looking up the proper sequence to do things. Ever since the One Tamriel update chronological progression was thrown entirely out the window and you can do any quest, anywhere at any time regardless of how much sense that makes in the timeline. Hell, it's entirely possible to miss doing the main quest since it's been basically reduced to side-quest status.0 -
YstradClud✭✭✭✭I'm a beta player as well but only just came back lately after getting burned out on the direction WoW was going and found ESO had improved a fair bit since I left. Couple of new classes and heaps of DLC. The main difference I noticed was the champion points system had replaced veteran ranks.1 -
MJallday✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think you’ll find the game you beta played (as did I) is a very different game now
Almost unrecognisable in some respects
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✭✭✭run now while you still can “Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
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Magenpie✭✭✭✭✭With a more serious answer - I'm an old closed beta tester too. I've dipped in and out of the game over the years, really wanting to love it but never feeling the hook.
But towards the end of last year, during one of those dippings, the game and I finally gelled. It's SO much better than it was and I'm having a great time now.
I'm not into PvP and I'm not charging towards end-game group content, like trials and vet dungeons. Nothing wrong with those just not my kind of gaming. I just like living in the world, exploring and questing.
The story-telling from Morrowind onwards is just great. So much improved on the original zones. If you decide to come back, I urge you to start with the Morrowind storyline and work your way through from there. I'm sure you'll find it engaging. Many of the side-quests are also worth seeking out. The world is rich and beautiful, the denizens are strange, often funny, often disturbing, frequently bonkers. The outfit system was a game-changer for me too, again much improved.
The single most infuriating thing for me is the Crown Store but that's such a big topic, you'll form your own opinion about it, and there are plenty of discussions here.
Oh, and the trading system but again, you'll form your own opinion and there are more than enough threads about it on the forum.
I hope you do come back and give it a go. My advice would be a month's sub and see how you go (boring I know) but it will give you enough time to decide if you like it or not.
The performance frustrations are aggravating, but the game itself is fab, imvho.
Hope you see you in game! o/Edited by Magenpie on July 29, 2020 12:16PM0 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »How are you a founder though?
That's what I am saying like wtf? people keep coming on here saying they are a "founder" ROFL...
I think they mean early player...
Nvidia and that stupid use of the word founders edition...3 -
Winnower✭✭✭✭*I'm not into PvP and I'm not charging towards end-game group content, like trials and vet dungeons. Nothing wrong with *those just not my kind of gaming. I just like living in the world, exploring and questing.
this is me much of the time...
As for the use of the word "founder" it refers to being an original player, other games use it, I use it, /shrug. I don't understand what is pejorative about it, but I'm not fashed about it either. Way back in EQ we said that we were "Opening Day" folk when we were there on the first day of a new server being opened. It's all good.
Ayida WinnowerVR14 Templar, VR14 DK, VR8 DK, VR7 NB, VR1 Sorcerer;
All 3 Alliances;
2 Pre-order Imperial Accounts, yes that means 16 characters on NA alone0