albertberku wrote: »For PvP, Talfyg is better. Incoming damage is never an issue. Just has to keep an eye on if there are MagDK s or Dawnbreakers around. I will go with Talfyg + New Moon. And then mythic ring for speed. On top of that, i will be a vampire, as well.
Main difference is 4th piece stat for me. Mag Damage vs. Critical. And how i see it, it is straight +130 extra dmg, as criticals doesnt really mean much for pvp if you are not building for it specificially, like a khajiit stamblade with shadow mundus, etc.
thadjarvis wrote: »It is more stat dense that Julianos. Probably NMA too: get 29 spell damage and incurr 5% cost? Could maybe still use it for trash for the pen and higher spell damage, but the new set looks strong against it generally in PvE.
Though in general BSW is likely a stronger alternative to them all.
BSW would average 490*75% = 367.5. That is 4.5 less but for short fights it's up immediately so the average will be higher. The burning status effect likely does more damage than ~5 spell damage. You can front bar BSW without loosing the 5th piece bonus unlike the other sets. IE BSW is superior as a body set and easier to farm. Significantly superior if in need of a front barred set.
thadjarvis wrote: »@martijnlv40
We have compare the same patch. The new set is PTS. BSW has been changed. See 6.1.0 notes:
"Burning Spellweave:
Reduced the Spell Damage granted from this set to 490, down from 525.
This set no longer has a proc chance. Now when you deal damage with a flame ability, you apply the burning status effect to the enemy and increase you spell damage by 490 for 8 seconds. This effect can occur once every 12 seconds."
CleymenZero wrote: »Umm why are you guys not considering Perfected Siroria?
At 5 stacks, it bests BSW and at 6 stacks it's better than Talfyg.
You'll say my math is wrong but and I'll just point out that you get an extra 1k max mag which is about 104 spell damage I think.
So, it takes 5-6 seconds for Siroria to equal these sets and anything extra is stronger.
The requirement to have a stationary fight no longer applies or is simply not as severe. Heck, I see myself using it in vAS, I tried it in vCR before and it was decent (and I'm leagues away from the best players).
All in all, the changes to Siroria are welcome and it will only be a little bit tricky to fully take advantage of its power and will be easy to at least equal those sets mentioned above.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »In trials, with Warhorn and Elemental Catalyst, the 4pc crit will perform better than the 4pc Spell Damage by about 0.5% to 0.9% DPS. It takes about half of the extra 72 Spell Damage to make up this difference, so Talfyg’s ends up better by 30-something Spell Damage. IMO that’s not worth taking 10% more Fire Damage.
martijnlv40 wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »In trials, with Warhorn and Elemental Catalyst, the 4pc crit will perform better than the 4pc Spell Damage by about 0.5% to 0.9% DPS. It takes about half of the extra 72 Spell Damage to make up this difference, so Talfyg’s ends up better by 30-something Spell Damage. IMO that’s not worth taking 10% more Fire Damage.
Elemental Catalyst indeed a good point which I couldn't factor in the editor (yet). I did factor in Warhorn though, I did a trial dummy scenario buffwise. I'd say Talfyg really seems like a dungeon or overworld set, and a bit less so arena. Not a bad one to obtain.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »I see no reason why anyone would use Talfyg over BSW. BSW is more burst for the first 8s, and the extra Burning procs will more than make up for the difference in average Spell Damage. BSW also works well on front bar, while Talfyg and Juli do not carryover to back. I wouldn’t use Talfyg even if the 10% Fire vulnerability was removed.