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Elder Karens Online
CritsTheBed
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Guys were all a bit upset but please stop acting like you know how to run Zenimax. Your outrage does no good here. Be polite and suggest things for sure but leave the outrage and entitlement out of it k?
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CritsTheBed✭✭✭✭Chickenstein wrote: »CritsTheBed wrote: »stop acting like you know how to run Zenimax.
Well someone obviously needs to.
Sadly it will not be you5 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chickenstein wrote: »CritsTheBed wrote: »stop acting like you know how to run Zenimax.
Well someone obviously needs to.
Well if I have to choose between the people who have been "acting" for years now, and forum goers wanting to "act", I choose the people who have been at it for years and have knowledge1 -
Chickenstein✭✭✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »who have been at it for years and have knowledge
Well actually I stopped complaining about such things years ago (check my post history), but you have to admit the latter part is a good one.
But guess what? Calling us "entitled" when we want to use a product we paid for is not particulary helpful either. It smells of white knighting, really.Orc Harvester: It's about picking flowers and smashing things13 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chickenstein wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »who have been at it for years and have knowledge
Well actually I stopped complaining about such things years ago (check my post history), but you have to admit the latter part is a good one.
But guess what? Calling us "entitled" when we want to use a product we paid for is not particulary helpful either. It smells of white knighting, really.
That post smells like you think I called you entitled, which I most assuredly did not1 -
CritsTheBed✭✭✭✭If you cant smell the entitlement some posters have then you cant smell and furthermore are probably a terrible cook. I didnt every poster but there are some that are just plain silly.0
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amm7sb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chickenstein wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »who have been at it for years and have knowledge
Well actually I stopped complaining about such things years ago (check my post history), but you have to admit the latter part is a good one.
But guess what? Calling us "entitled" when we want to use a product we paid for is not particulary helpful either. It smells of white knighting, really.
It is a product where part of the experience is going to be downtime and setbacks. This has been the standard of MMO's since the beginning of time. Sometimes the gym that you pay membership to is closed as well.
Log off, go do something else during the downtime, and come back later or tomorrow when things are smoothed out.
You say it smells of white knighting, but I say that throwing a temper tantrum everytime the server has an issue reeks of spoiled entitlement.4 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »Chickenstein wrote: »CritsTheBed wrote: »stop acting like you know how to run Zenimax.
Well someone obviously needs to.
Well if I have to choose between the people who have been "acting" for years now, and forum goers wanting to "act", I choose the people who have been at it for years and have knowledge
Actually I would prefer people that know what they are doing instead of just acting like they do.4 -
Chickenstein✭✭✭✭So where do or did I throw a temper tantrum? Fact is, you three go off on me because of a joke. Funny you're talking about keeping calm.Orc Harvester: It's about picking flowers and smashing things0
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stybbe17b16_ESO✭✭✭Actually its positive thing you see people complain. That mean they actually care. You know a game is dead when the service sucks and none no longer complain.3 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chickenstein wrote: »So where do or did I throw a temper tantrum? Fact is, you three go off on me because of a joke. Funny you're talking about keeping calm.
One of the most important rules of the internet.. A joke does not translate very well through text1 -
CritsTheBed✭✭✭✭Chickenstein wrote: »So where do or did I throw a temper tantrum? Fact is, you three go off on me because of a joke. Funny you're talking about keeping calm.
Im not going off on you friend. If you have an issue then by all means make the case. Im talking about the people who act like this game is holding them back in life. Not that serious man.0 -
redshirt_49✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »Chickenstein wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »who have been at it for years and have knowledge
Well actually I stopped complaining about such things years ago (check my post history), but you have to admit the latter part is a good one.
But guess what? Calling us "entitled" when we want to use a product we paid for is not particulary helpful either. It smells of white knighting, really.
It is a product where part of the experience is going to be downtime and setbacks. This has been the standard of MMO's since the beginning of time. Sometimes the gym that you pay membership to is closed as well.
Log off, go do something else during the downtime, and come back later or tomorrow when things are smoothed out.
You say it smells of white knighting, but I say that throwing a temper tantrum everytime the server has an issue reeks of spoiled entitlement.
Said something along those lines earlier, yeah.
Yes, we paid for this thing. Some of us even paid for premium membership. Did any of that ANYWHERE come with a guarantee of 24/7 uninterrupted access? No, people just kind of assumed it did, even though it makes little logical or practical sense for that to be the case.
No such guarantee was given, and in fact the EULA everyone signs states the exact opposite. What's that? You didn't read it? Shame. Shame. Shame.
Quite, frankly. Being unavailable one day out of like twenty to thirty is pretty stellar. Beat that, McFit, you amateurs.2 -
ToxicOutrage✭✭✭Sound like a person who knows nothing about how things run in the world. You generate dissatisfaction or outrage, you discourage the company from repeating the same sh+t.
By Generating Outrage on Forums and elsewhere (people complaining on Twitch Streamer chats, writing bad reviews on steam or metacirit) you generate bad press which in turn turns off potential customers and thus revenue.
There is an opportunity cost for everything. At some point, the cost of running of cheap hardware (simplification) that cause these outages and thus generate bad press and turn current players away is simply higher than the cost of a good server without all these byproducts.
Obviously, if everyone was like you, they would never have to even consider upgrading their services since they would see that people eat up whatever is served to them no matter how bad it is
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amm7sb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭stybbe17b16_ESO wrote: »Actually its positive thing you see people complain. That mean they actually care. You know a game is dead when the service sucks and none no longer complain.
No.
While I see and understand your point, gamers complain about literally everything.
ZOS could say "Here's 10,000 crowns for the server trouble" and these same people would find something to complain about.
ZOS could magically fix the server issues, without the AOE changes that have been made, and make the smoothest running MMO experience of all time, and gamers would still complain.
How do I know? Because I have been around MMO's since EverQuest, and it is the same story literally everytime. Doesn't matter if it's ZOS, BethSoft, SOE, Blizzard, NCSoft, or whatever MMO dev in question, the same issues always happen because they are a part of the nature of MMO gaming, and entitled gamers expect pure uninterrupted service 100% of the time and throw the same temper tantrums everytime it doesn't work out that way.4 -
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✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »stybbe17b16_ESO wrote: »Actually its positive thing you see people complain. That mean they actually care. You know a game is dead when the service sucks and none no longer complain.
No.
While I see and understand your point, gamers complain about literally everything.
ZOS could say "Here's 10,000 crowns for the server trouble" and these same people would find something to complain about.
ZOS could magically fix the server issues, without the AOE changes that have been made, and make the smoothest running MMO experience of all time, and gamers would still complain.
How do I know? Because I have been around MMO's since EverQuest, and it is the same story literally everytime. Doesn't matter if it's ZOS, BethSoft, SOE, Blizzard, NCSoft, or whatever MMO dev in question, the same issues always happen because they are a part of the nature of MMO gaming, and entitled gamers expect pure uninterrupted service 100% of the time and throw the same temper tantrums everytime it doesn't work out that way.
This.. I saw the birth of the internet.. And there is 1 thing that I know will never change.. People are idiots5 -
CritsTheBed✭✭✭✭ToxicOutrage wrote: »Sound like a person who knows nothing about how things run in the world. You generate dissatisfaction or outrage, you discourage the company from repeating the same sh+t.
By Generating Outrage on Forums and elsewhere (people complaining on Twitch Streamer chats, writing bad reviews on steam or metacirit) you generate bad press which in turn turns off potential customers and thus revenue.
There is an opportunity cost for everything. At some point, the cost of running of cheap hardware (simplification) that cause these outages and thus generate bad press and turn current players away is simply higher than the cost of a good server without all these byproducts.
Obviously, if everyone was like you, they would never have to even consider upgrading their services since they would see that people eat up whatever is served to them no matter how bad it is
Is that the same line you use at Target customer service?0 -
ToxicOutrage✭✭✭CritsTheBed wrote: »ToxicOutrage wrote: »Sound like a person who knows nothing about how things run in the world. You generate dissatisfaction or outrage, you discourage the company from repeating the same sh+t.
By Generating Outrage on Forums and elsewhere (people complaining on Twitch Streamer chats, writing bad reviews on steam or metacirit) you generate bad press which in turn turns off potential customers and thus revenue.
There is an opportunity cost for everything. At some point, the cost of running of cheap hardware (simplification) that cause these outages and thus generate bad press and turn current players away is simply higher than the cost of a good server without all these byproducts.
Obviously, if everyone was like you, they would never have to even consider upgrading their services since they would see that people eat up whatever is served to them no matter how bad it is
Is that the same line you use at Target customer service?
Lol so you just outed yourself as an American who is inconvenienced by the fact the we, Euros, cannot play the game for the entire day and more, while you get to keep your worry-free experience. You are such a Karen, indeed.
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Chickenstein✭✭✭✭I wonder why you take offense in people complaining, really. What's the damage done by that? You may not like it, in fact I wouldn't do it because it leads to nowhere, but where's the problem? Do you really think that this somehow ... hinders the further development of the game?
As for me, I just don't like to be called "Karen" or "entitled" just because I have a valid issue with how a product is being handled.Orc Harvester: It's about picking flowers and smashing things6 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ToxicOutrage wrote: »CritsTheBed wrote: »ToxicOutrage wrote: »Sound like a person who knows nothing about how things run in the world. You generate dissatisfaction or outrage, you discourage the company from repeating the same sh+t.
By Generating Outrage on Forums and elsewhere (people complaining on Twitch Streamer chats, writing bad reviews on steam or metacirit) you generate bad press which in turn turns off potential customers and thus revenue.
There is an opportunity cost for everything. At some point, the cost of running of cheap hardware (simplification) that cause these outages and thus generate bad press and turn current players away is simply higher than the cost of a good server without all these byproducts.
Obviously, if everyone was like you, they would never have to even consider upgrading their services since they would see that people eat up whatever is served to them no matter how bad it is
Is that the same line you use at Target customer service?
Lol so you just outed yourself as an American who is inconvenienced by the fact the we, Euros, cannot play the game for the entire day and more, while you get to keep your worry-free experience. You are such a Karen, indeed.
So because he knows what Target is, he is an American? I know it too, and I come from Denmark0 -
Hurbster✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, I have noticed references to 'Target' and 'Walmart' used by those vociferously defending this sorry state of affairs. Please come party on the EU servers, we'd love to have you.
If you can log in, that is.So they raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. Except the ceiling has spikes in it now and the floor is also lava.4 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Karen is such a racist and sexist term. smhEdited by TequilaFire on July 27, 2020 10:55PM3 -
CritsTheBed✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Karen is such a racist and sexist term. smh
Your head shakes?0 -
ToxicOutrage✭✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »ToxicOutrage wrote: »CritsTheBed wrote: »ToxicOutrage wrote: »Sound like a person who knows nothing about how things run in the world. You generate dissatisfaction or outrage, you discourage the company from repeating the same sh+t.
By Generating Outrage on Forums and elsewhere (people complaining on Twitch Streamer chats, writing bad reviews on steam or metacirit) you generate bad press which in turn turns off potential customers and thus revenue.
There is an opportunity cost for everything. At some point, the cost of running of cheap hardware (simplification) that cause these outages and thus generate bad press and turn current players away is simply higher than the cost of a good server without all these byproducts.
Obviously, if everyone was like you, they would never have to even consider upgrading their services since they would see that people eat up whatever is served to them no matter how bad it is
Is that the same line you use at Target customer service?
Lol so you just outed yourself as an American who is inconvenienced by the fact the we, Euros, cannot play the game for the entire day and more, while you get to keep your worry-free experience. You are such a Karen, indeed.
So because he knows what Target is, he is an American? I know it too, and I come from Denmark
And yet when a friend invites you to go to the Park, you will prob be thinking of a local park in your town, and not of Central Park in New York even though you are aware that Central Park exists?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CritsTheBed wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Karen is such a racist and sexist term. smh
Your head shakes?
I always give it a good shake.0 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ToxicOutrage wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »ToxicOutrage wrote: »CritsTheBed wrote: »ToxicOutrage wrote: »Sound like a person who knows nothing about how things run in the world. You generate dissatisfaction or outrage, you discourage the company from repeating the same sh+t.
By Generating Outrage on Forums and elsewhere (people complaining on Twitch Streamer chats, writing bad reviews on steam or metacirit) you generate bad press which in turn turns off potential customers and thus revenue.
There is an opportunity cost for everything. At some point, the cost of running of cheap hardware (simplification) that cause these outages and thus generate bad press and turn current players away is simply higher than the cost of a good server without all these byproducts.
Obviously, if everyone was like you, they would never have to even consider upgrading their services since they would see that people eat up whatever is served to them no matter how bad it is
Is that the same line you use at Target customer service?
Lol so you just outed yourself as an American who is inconvenienced by the fact the we, Euros, cannot play the game for the entire day and more, while you get to keep your worry-free experience. You are such a Karen, indeed.
So because he knows what Target is, he is an American? I know it too, and I come from Denmark
And yet when a friend invites you to go to the Park, you will prob be thinking of a local park in your town, and not of Central Park in New York even though you are aware that Central Park exists?
I will think of one of our parks yes.. But if I have to make an example on an international forum, I would not use a local park no.. I would use something that most people would likely know0 -
CritsTheBed✭✭✭✭ToxicOutrage wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »ToxicOutrage wrote: »CritsTheBed wrote: »ToxicOutrage wrote: »Sound like a person who knows nothing about how things run in the world. You generate dissatisfaction or outrage, you discourage the company from repeating the same sh+t.
By Generating Outrage on Forums and elsewhere (people complaining on Twitch Streamer chats, writing bad reviews on steam or metacirit) you generate bad press which in turn turns off potential customers and thus revenue.
There is an opportunity cost for everything. At some point, the cost of running of cheap hardware (simplification) that cause these outages and thus generate bad press and turn current players away is simply higher than the cost of a good server without all these byproducts.
Obviously, if everyone was like you, they would never have to even consider upgrading their services since they would see that people eat up whatever is served to them no matter how bad it is
Is that the same line you use at Target customer service?
Lol so you just outed yourself as an American who is inconvenienced by the fact the we, Euros, cannot play the game for the entire day and more, while you get to keep your worry-free experience. You are such a Karen, indeed.
So because he knows what Target is, he is an American? I know it too, and I come from Denmark
And yet when a friend invites you to go to the Park, you will prob be thinking of a local park in your town, and not of Central Park in New York even though you are aware that Central Park exists?
Ya see sometimes you dont have to go deeper0 -
Dovakhan✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Karen is such a racist and sexist term. smh
What can you expect from someone who laughs at someone whose English isn't his first language?
Don't bother replying, OP, already added you to the Ignore list. And thread reported for flamewar-inducing.Edited by Dovakhan on July 27, 2020 11:27PM3
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