Stuns in BGs are 1 Hit KO

Luckylancer

I cant break free and I die. Regular stuff. I dont care if I win or lose, if I die or kill. I want to be able to break free.

Firstmep

Its the same everywhere sadly, break free has been bugged since their "Performance Patch"

technohic

It's you fault this is stuck in my head so I share

https://youtu.be/Z3w5gVM_4y8

pauld1_ESO

Don't bother complaining about pvp in this game....the people who love it will say there is nothing wrong with it, you're just not good.

MurderMostFoul

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

Don't bother complaining about pvp in this game....the people who love it will say there is nothing wrong with it, you're just not good.

That's an odd take.

No one who plays PvP, lovers and haters alike, says there is nothing wrong with it.

technohic

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

Don't bother complaining about pvp in this game....the people who love it will say there is nothing wrong with it, you're just not good.

That's an odd take.

No one who plays PvP, lovers and haters alike, says there is nothing wrong with it.

I think a thread he had, he wanted us to tell him something else was wrong other than lag.

pauld1_ESO

technohic wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

Don't bother complaining about pvp in this game....the people who love it will say there is nothing wrong with it, you're just not good.

That's an odd take.

No one who plays PvP, lovers and haters alike, says there is nothing wrong with it.

I think a thread he had, he wanted us to tell him something else was wrong other than lag.

I was asking you to explain the phenom of lag/desync that only seems to affect "scrubs" while the "elite" players can run around seemingly unaffected. When I get hit with 5 skills and die in 2 seconds that should not be possible to do (for example 2x dizzying swings+1x HA+1xLA+1x executioner) I am told it is just lag. Well why doesn't that happen to the dude who has 10 people trying to bring him down yet can kill me in 2 seconds with these 5 attacks? Where is his lag?

If there are lag issues everyone should be suffering from it equally, within reason of course (ISP, location, etc). I have 1GB upload and download and live in NA so everything I experience should be server side....the same lag these elite dudes should have.

Luckylancer

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

Don't bother complaining about pvp in this game....the people who love it will say there is nothing wrong with it, you're just not good.

That's an odd take.

No one who plays PvP, lovers and haters alike, says there is nothing wrong with it.

I think a thread he had, he wanted us to tell him something else was wrong other than lag.

I was asking you to explain the phenom of lag/desync that only seems to affect "scrubs" while the "elite" players can run around seemingly unaffected. When I get hit with 5 skills and die in 2 seconds that should not be possible to do (for example 2x dizzying swings+1x HA+1xLA+1x executioner) I am told it is just lag. Well why doesn't that happen to the dude who has 10 people trying to bring him down yet can kill me in 2 seconds with these 5 attacks? Where is his lag?

If there are lag issues everyone should be suffering from it equally, within reason of course (ISP, location, etc). I have 1GB upload and download and live in NA so everything I experience should be server side....the same lag these elite dudes should have.

Fengrush die to what kills me. I get CCed, I spam break free and roll, screen goes dark blue.

I play BGs to have fun, not to win. Trying to winning them is a torture because of many imbalances in match making. I want to play as a group and do our best. I will prefer losing but being able to break free rather than winning.

Fazuszek

I sometimes watch, other playes playing their BG (mostly from US) - the HUUUGE diffrence in quality of game, for an european player like myself, is just beyond imagination. Everything is smooth and precise.

Ive also noticed that ,,Neo matrix'' players - they avoid, dodge roll every attack or block. Nice, huh? Not to mention, they have a speed faster than player with major expedition and they are almost unkillable. Health? From zero to full in 1 sec!

We do not know, how many players (and their tech) use exploits, cheats and other shady staff. Every patch, we learn that some skills/sets or combinations did not work properly or could be a source of abuse.

Recently i tried to take down one guy - he was able to heal from like 1k to 28K in sec!? Tell, which set or skill gives that posibility? I had the feeling (he was not runnig), that he wanted to show me something like ,,look haha u cant even damage me''.

Not to mention players, with perma cloack. Walking around freely, coz detection dont work.

MurderMostFoul

Everyone who complains about "unkillable players who must be cheating" should actually watch some 1vX videos. The players who excel at this are not doing anything mysterious or shady. The skill gap in this game is huge, not to mention running builds designed to engage in this play style. What is comes down to is:

-Speed
-LOS
-Recovery
-Smart use of dodge roll and block
-Burst

pauld1_ESO

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Everyone who complains about "unkillable players who must be cheating" should actually watch some 1vX videos. The players who excel at this are not doing anything mysterious or shady. The skill gap in this game is huge, not to mention running builds designed to engage in this play style. What is comes down to is:

-Speed
-LOS
-Recovery
-Smart use of dodge roll and block
-Burst

And why aren't they affected by the ridiculous lag and desync issues? Why aren't they all of a sudden one-shotted by 5 abilities?

Sanguinor2

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

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And why aren't they affected by the ridiculous lag and desync issues? Why aren't they all of a sudden one-shotted by 5 abilities?

They are. However if you watch a 1vX video you will only see successful clips, you dont see them getting huge desyncs etc. because those clips are not published by them in 1vX videos...

Sanctum74

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Everyone who complains about "unkillable players who must be cheating" should actually watch some 1vX videos. The players who excel at this are not doing anything mysterious or shady. The skill gap in this game is huge, not to mention running builds designed to engage in this play style. What is comes down to is:

-Speed
-LOS
-Recovery
-Smart use of dodge roll and block
-Burst

And why aren't they affected by the ridiculous lag and desync issues? Why aren't they all of a sudden one-shotted by 5 abilities?

Watch their streams and you will see they are also affected by lag and desyncs.

sabresandiego_ESO

If you’re dying within a stun, it’s your own fault. It means you are too squishy.

PVE has health check mechanics and believe it or not so does pvp. You need to build tanky enough so that you can survive the silly break free animation and cast a heal or perform evasive maneuvers.

If you’re dying within the stun animation, your build sucks. Not trying to be mean, just honest. Add some defense: whether through sets and abilities, or any way possible.

Feaky

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Everyone who complains about "unkillable players who must be cheating" should actually watch some 1vX videos. The players who excel at this are not doing anything mysterious or shady. The skill gap in this game is huge, not to mention running builds designed to engage in this play style. What is comes down to is:

-Speed
-LOS
-Recovery
-Smart use of dodge roll and block
-Burst

Anyone who plays PVP enough knows there is cheating. Anyone who denies its existence, is either really naive or probably a cheater. I have seen the 5 shots in a sec quite a lot. I've heard people explain it as lag, and sometimes it is, but when you peak around the corner of a castle wall for a sec and all of a sudden you are hit by 5 abilities in that 1 sec from a single player including several lethal arrows and several light attacks - well that is hard to explain as lag considering you cannot even launch those attacks without a target. When you are lagging, everything in game lags, not just attacks from a single player. So if he is consistently hitting you with 5 attacks in a sec and the only lag you experience is while he attacks you, it is probably worth reporting and letting Zenimax investigate.

A more obvious example of recent cheating occurred last weekend when someone jumped over a tree. What armor or ability allows a 40' vertical jump while fighting?

Also hard to explain is how someone who is standing idle (meaning not casting, blocking, dodging, no shields up, etc.) and caught by a surprise bow gank (7k weapon damage and 15K penetration) only takes 50 dmg.

I can go on. Sure, there are some really great players and skill does matter, but its pretty obvious when someone is good and someone is being assisted by a hack. The three givens with PVP in this game are 1) there is bad lag and it will impact fair play, 2) there are cheaters, and 3) there are sycophants that will continue to deny their existence.

Advice to other victims, try not to let it impact your game play. If I suspect someone of cheating, I first try to give them the benefit of the doubt and re-engage them looking very carefully at their actions. After a few engagements with them, if I am convinced they may be exploiting the game, I report them documenting the suspicious activity. I then put them on ignore and leave the area and encourage others to do the same. No sense to continue to feed the cheaters.

There are cheaters in all video games, ESO is no exception.

SshadowSscale

Lol I have been acussed so much of hacking due to me being abke to use cloak alot....and people do not want to listen whrn I try to explain how I do it.... They just want to believe thag I am hacking and thats it.... For east cloak sustain even in a stamblade there is this set called darloc brae..... Pretty easy... Every time you use cloak you also click to crouch...... Thus you get aot of the mag you used to cloak back really quickly... Add 1.2 mag recovery on to that and you can really cloak a lot even on a stamblade.... Is it infinite... No but it sure comes close too looking like infinite if you know how to use it correctly..... Sometimes people are unwilling to listen and just want to believe People are hacking... Yes there are hakers..... But keep in mind the balance in this game is a massive joke and some people just know how to abuse the bad balancing bettet than other people

MurderMostFoul

Feaky wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Everyone who complains about "unkillable players who must be cheating" should actually watch some 1vX videos. The players who excel at this are not doing anything mysterious or shady. The skill gap in this game is huge, not to mention running builds designed to engage in this play style. What is comes down to is:

-Speed
-LOS
-Recovery
-Smart use of dodge roll and block
-Burst

Anyone who plays PVP enough knows there is cheating. Anyone who denies its existence, is either really naive or probably a cheater. I have seen the 5 shots in a sec quite a lot. I've heard people explain it as lag, and sometimes it is, but when you peak around the corner of a castle wall for a sec and all of a sudden you are hit by 5 abilities in that 1 sec from a single player including several lethal arrows and several light attacks - well that is hard to explain as lag considering you cannot even launch those attacks without a target. When you are lagging, everything in game lags, not just attacks from a single player. So if he is consistently hitting you with 5 attacks in a sec and the only lag you experience is while he attacks you, it is probably worth reporting and letting Zenimax investigate.

A more obvious example of recent cheating occurred last weekend when someone jumped over a tree. What armor or ability allows a 40' vertical jump while fighting?

Also hard to explain is how someone who is standing idle (meaning not casting, blocking, dodging, no shields up, etc.) and caught by a surprise bow gank (7k weapon damage and 15K penetration) only takes 50 dmg.

I can go on. Sure, there are some really great players and skill does matter, but its pretty obvious when someone is good and someone is being assisted by a hack. The three givens with PVP in this game are 1) there is bad lag and it will impact fair play, 2) there are cheaters, and 3) there are sycophants that will continue to deny their existence.

Advice to other victims, try not to let it impact your game play. If I suspect someone of cheating, I first try to give them the benefit of the doubt and re-engage them looking very carefully at their actions. After a few engagements with them, if I am convinced they may be exploiting the game, I report them documenting the suspicious activity. I then put them on ignore and leave the area and encourage others to do the same. No sense to continue to feed the cheaters.

There are cheaters in all video games, ESO is no exception.

I've played pvp in this game for years. I play BGs as to avoid performance issues and the influence of CP. I've personally wrecked entire BG matches and felt invulnerable doing so, and I've seen others do the same. Were we cheating? No. In fact, I've never witnessed anything in a BG that I though could be outright cheating. Some lag and desyncs? Yes. But definitely no cheating.

If you feel like cheating is so prevalent, come play on console. You'll find it harder to make excuses here.

PS - Look up the definition of sycophant.

Fazuszek

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Everyone who complains about "unkillable players who must be cheating" should actually watch some 1vX videos. The players who excel at this are not doing anything mysterious or shady. The skill gap in this game is huge, not to mention running builds designed to engage in this play style. What is comes down to is:

-Speed
-LOS
-Recovery
-Smart use of dodge roll and block
-Burst

Yes. I watched some 1vX videos. Its potato slamming. Always was, and it will always be potato slammin.

U know someone who is good that 1vX? Look i have and offer, i will bring my 5 friends with me, and we can make a duel 5 vs 1. Or just met in Cyro or other pvp zone and try that.

I will bring 4 magsorcs, with me, is that okey?. After 1 sec, u will have 8 dots on u.

U can always show me a video of magnecro slamming a few top tier sorcs, to change my mind. Especially in no cp.

There is no huge skill gap in this game.

Tell, what skill u need to farm 2 proc sets (or buy) and run a stamblade spamm from distance and use cloack?

What skill u need to make a stamnecro and go dizzli swing spam?

What skill u need, to use internet speed to ur advantae?...

What skill u need, to end up in a good team (im talking about bg)

Burst?... Not every class has acces to the same burst potential.

I will tell u, what REALLY matters. Ur computer and internet speed. Forget about decent play if ur techs dont perform top notch. U will always be behind.

Oh did i mention cheats and exploits?... God knows, how many of them is used. We all know, that those things show up.

ESO is not a ping pong match.

Fazuszek

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

. But definitely no cheating.

Every month players and the devs discover new cheats and exploits, and this guys says that he never saw a cheat.

And we are talking about players, who now ESO mecs in details, and experienced game Devs, who need some time to catch a cheater.

90% of players, are unable to spot a cheater. Not everybody understand how mecs, code, script, programming works.

precambria

But when it works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8eRzOYhLuw

SshadowSscale

Fazuszek wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Everyone who complains about "unkillable players who must be cheating" should actually watch some 1vX videos. The players who excel at this are not doing anything mysterious or shady. The skill gap in this game is huge, not to mention running builds designed to engage in this play style. What is comes down to is:

-Speed
-LOS
-Recovery
-Smart use of dodge roll and block
-Burst

Yes. I watched some 1vX videos. Its potato slamming. Always was, and it will always be potato slammin.

U know someone who is good that 1vX? Look i have and offer, i will bring my 5 friends with me, and we can make a duel 5 vs 1. Or just met in Cyro or other pvp zone and try that.

I will bring 4 magsorcs, with me, is that okey?. After 1 sec, u will have 8 dots on u.

U can always show me a video of magnecro slamming a few top tier sorcs, to change my mind. Especially in no cp.

There is no huge skill gap in this game.

Tell, what skill u need to farm 2 proc sets (or buy) and run a stamblade spamm from distance and use cloack?

What skill u need to make a stamnecro and go dizzli swing spam?

What skill u need, to use internet speed to ur advantae?...

What skill u need, to end up in a good team (im talking about bg)

Burst?... Not every class has acces to the same burst potential.

I will tell u, what REALLY matters. Ur computer and internet speed. Forget about decent play if ur techs dont perform top notch. U will always be behind.

Oh did i mention cheats and exploits?... God knows, how many of them is used. We all know, that those things show up.

ESO is not a ping pong match.

I got 400 ping and I can still destroy mkst players in pvp.... But hey no skill only good internet right......lmao

Fazuszek

SshadowSscale wrote: »

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I got 400 ping and I can still destroy mkst players in pvp.... But hey no skill only good internet right......lmao

Really? Whoaaa.... We dont talk here about anyone personal achivments and gameplay, in case u did not noticed. We talk about whole game mecs. But still, nice logical fallacy.



BTW, its nice that u skipped 95% what i wrote, its gives me confidence that u dont have any arguments.

pauld1_ESO

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Fazuszek wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Everyone who complains about "unkillable players who must be cheating" should actually watch some 1vX videos. The players who excel at this are not doing anything mysterious or shady. The skill gap in this game is huge, not to mention running builds designed to engage in this play style. What is comes down to is:

-Speed
-LOS
-Recovery
-Smart use of dodge roll and block
-Burst

Yes. I watched some 1vX videos. Its potato slamming. Always was, and it will always be potato slammin.

U know someone who is good that 1vX? Look i have and offer, i will bring my 5 friends with me, and we can make a duel 5 vs 1. Or just met in Cyro or other pvp zone and try that.

I will bring 4 magsorcs, with me, is that okey?. After 1 sec, u will have 8 dots on u.

U can always show me a video of magnecro slamming a few top tier sorcs, to change my mind. Especially in no cp.

There is no huge skill gap in this game.

Tell, what skill u need to farm 2 proc sets (or buy) and run a stamblade spamm from distance and use cloack?

What skill u need to make a stamnecro and go dizzli swing spam?

What skill u need, to use internet speed to ur advantae?...

What skill u need, to end up in a good team (im talking about bg)

Burst?... Not every class has acces to the same burst potential.

I will tell u, what REALLY matters. Ur computer and internet speed. Forget about decent play if ur techs dont perform top notch. U will always be behind.

Oh did i mention cheats and exploits?... God knows, how many of them is used. We all know, that those things show up.

ESO is not a ping pong match.

I got 400 ping and I can still destroy mkst players in pvp.... But hey no skill only good internet right......lmao

It is inconsistent to say the least. I can't tell you what my ping is but I have insanely awesome internet and live in NA so it should be good, in theory. Yet I get people landing 2x dizzing swings, a heavy attack, and a light attack on me in what to me is like 2 seconds, which should be impossible. I die to some crazy crap that just should not happen, assuming the log is accurate.

MurderMostFoul

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Fazuszek wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Everyone who complains about "unkillable players who must be cheating" should actually watch some 1vX videos. The players who excel at this are not doing anything mysterious or shady. The skill gap in this game is huge, not to mention running builds designed to engage in this play style. What is comes down to is:

-Speed
-LOS
-Recovery
-Smart use of dodge roll and block
-Burst

Yes. I watched some 1vX videos. Its potato slamming. Always was, and it will always be potato slammin.

U know someone who is good that 1vX? Look i have and offer, i will bring my 5 friends with me, and we can make a duel 5 vs 1. Or just met in Cyro or other pvp zone and try that.

I will bring 4 magsorcs, with me, is that okey?. After 1 sec, u will have 8 dots on u.

U can always show me a video of magnecro slamming a few top tier sorcs, to change my mind. Especially in no cp.

There is no huge skill gap in this game.

Tell, what skill u need to farm 2 proc sets (or buy) and run a stamblade spamm from distance and use cloack?

What skill u need to make a stamnecro and go dizzli swing spam?

What skill u need, to use internet speed to ur advantae?...

What skill u need, to end up in a good team (im talking about bg)

Burst?... Not every class has acces to the same burst potential.

I will tell u, what REALLY matters. Ur computer and internet speed. Forget about decent play if ur techs dont perform top notch. U will always be behind.

Oh did i mention cheats and exploits?... God knows, how many of them is used. We all know, that those things show up.

ESO is not a ping pong match.

I got 400 ping and I can still destroy mkst players in pvp.... But hey no skill only good internet right......lmao

Yet I get people landing 2x dizzing swings, a heavy attack, and a light attack on me in what to me is like 2 seconds, which should be impossible.

This is 100% possible. This should happen with 100% normal gameplay, no lag, no desync.

MurderMostFoul

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

. But definitely no cheating.

Fazuszek wrote: »

Every month players and the devs discover new cheats and exploits, and this guys says that he never saw a cheat.

And we are talking about players, who now ESO mecs in details, and experienced game Devs, who need some time to catch a cheater.

90% of players, are unable to spot a cheater. Not everybody understand how mecs, code, script, programming works.

Way to pull my quote out of context. What I said was,

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

In fact, I've never witnessed anything in a BG that I though could be outright cheating. Some lag and desyncs? Yes. But definitely no cheating.

If you feel like cheating is so prevalent, come play on console. You'll find it harder to make excuses here.

Please find me any evidence of cheating in BGs on console. I would love to see it.

The fact of the matter is, there maybe rare occasions of direct combat enhancing cheating, but vastly more prevalent are players who lack skill or understanding of the game using cheating as an excuse for losing.

MurderMostFoul

Fazuszek wrote: »

There is no huge skill gap in this game.

Really????????

This couldn't be further from the truth. Your other points are at least somewhat debatable, but statements like this really undercut the credibility of the rest of your argument.

Vermintide

If you're only talking about console, sure, it's extremely unlikely to be cheating involved. If you're talking about PC, however, you'd be an idiot to deny cheating is possible.

It's just another one of the pros/cons to the game on each platform. PC is inherently more moddable with add-ons etc, but that gives it vulnerability to be exploited in some cases. We all remember the saga of Miat's, which read the code between the game client and the server in order to give access to information a player should not have in the normal game (such as if a player was in sneak nearby), therefore giving players an advantage.

And people defended that add-on on the forum like it was totally legit, by the way. That's should speak to the integrity of many forum posters.

Fazuszek

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Fazuszek wrote: »

There is no huge skill gap in this game.

Really????????

This couldn't be further from the truth. Your other points are at least somewhat debatable, but statements like this really undercut the credibility of the rest of your argument.

I sad this many times - please show me a video of magnecro 1vX against top notch players in no cp. ONE VIDEO.

Wait... u dont have it?.. Ohhh... that probably coz most of the players choose (mostly) from 2-3 classes?... But ofcourse its only RANDOM thing, that u see most times 90% stamnecro than magnecro.

Oh wait, now we know that they are class huge inbalance!

Yes it takes a lot of skill and practice to gank players just spamin snipe, u need to meditate, have huge reflex, great eye and years of training. Dont forget how much skill u need to buy and use OP proc sets. U need to visit a guild trader, its very difficult!

Dont forget to write on what class u play!

MurderMostFoul

Fazuszek wrote: »

I sad this many times - please show me a video of magnecro 1vX against top notch players in no cp. ONE VIDEO.

How does this argument support the position that there is not a large skill gap? By asking for "top-notch players," you are confirming there is one.

Fazuszek wrote: »

Dont forget to write on what class u play!

I play all classes, stam only. And I've dominated BGs with all of them.

Fazuszek

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

How does this argument support the position that there is not a large skill gap? By asking for "top-notch players," you are confirming there is one.

Fazuszek wrote: »

Dont forget to write on what class u play!

I play all classes, stam only. And I've dominated BGs with all of them.

Only Stamina? Are u sayin that stamina classes are superrior to magica?... Nah, u would probably be succesfull also on magnecro or magblade! LooL just kidding, we all know that stamina dominates in pvp (with exeption of magsorc).

Now dominate BG with magnecro! Common, u can do it! LooL.

,,top-notch players'' - players with best gear, sitting on stamnecro or magsorc, or stamwarden, on good computers, with all needed skills and passives, and knowledge of combat.

Not players with ,,legendary'' skills - coz u dont need to be ninja to spam dizzling swing. Or use streak. Or make an alcast build lool.

I know that it hurts, when someone expose the truth about pvp combat in eso. But dont worry i understand that u need the feeling that u are a great player, just to comfort yourself.

MurderMostFoul

Fazuszek wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

How does this argument support the position that there is not a large skill gap? By asking for "top-notch players," you are confirming there is one.

Fazuszek wrote: »

Dont forget to write on what class u play!

I play all classes, stam only. And I've dominated BGs with all of them.

Only Stamina? Are u sayin that stamina classes are superrior to magica?... Nah, u would probably be succesfull also on magnecro or magblade! LooL just kidding, we all know that stamina dominates in pvp (with exeption of magsorc).

Now dominate BG with magnecro! Common, u can do it! LooL.

,,top-notch players'' - players with best gear, sitting on stamnecro or magsorc, or stamwarden, on good computers, with all needed skills and passives, and knowledge of combat.

Not players with ,,legendary'' skills - coz u dont need to be ninja to spam dizzling swing. Or use streak. Or make an alcast build lool.

I know that it hurts, when someone expose the truth about pvp combat in eso. But dont worry i understand that u need the feeling that u are a great player, just to comfort yourself.

I'm on console, so no hardware disparity for me.

The primary reason I run all Stam is so I can share gear between characters.

The truth can hurt, that is why people develop false beliefs about the lack of a skill gap, and conjure unsubstantiated claims about internet and hardware to explain why they don't do well. It is an effort to comfort one's self by ignoring the truth that they lack skill and need to improve.