Slimecraw Shoulders and the Golden(missing on console but available on PC)

Norgh

Looking at the history of the golden it would appear that Slimecraw Shoulders have not been present since June of 2019 is this an oversight?


I know they are available via the undaunted keys but that is really very random.
My wife got Slimecraw Shoulders in medium with her fist 5 keys which is what we want for our builds, myself I have used 55 and no joy, would be nice to think that there is also a chance to get it from the Golden at a weekend as well.

JamieAubrey

I hope they are added tonight that way I don't need to farm keys for our guild event on Sunday using this set

XxCaLxX

Norgh wrote: »

Looking at the history of the golden it would appear that Slimecraw Shoulders have not been present since June of 2019 is the an oversight?
@JessicaFolsom @GinaBruno

I know they are available via the undaunted keys but that is really very random.
My wife got Slimecraw Shoulders in medium with her fist 5 keys which is what we want for our builds, myself I have used 55 and no joy, would be nice to think that there is also a chance to get it from the Golden at a weekend as well.

If you used 55 keys you should have bought the coffer that drops only 2 shoulders, one being slimecraw. 11 tries you would have definitely gotten a slimecraw. Good chance of a medium one too.

the1andonlyskwex

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Norgh wrote: »

Looking at the history of the golden it would appear that Slimecraw Shoulders have not been present since June of 2019 is the an oversight?
@JessicaFolsom @GinaBruno

I know they are available via the undaunted keys but that is really very random.
My wife got Slimecraw Shoulders in medium with her fist 5 keys which is what we want for our builds, myself I have used 55 and no joy, would be nice to think that there is also a chance to get it from the Golden at a weekend as well.

If you used 55 keys you should have bought the coffer that drops only 2 shoulders, one being slimecraw. 11 tries you would have definitely gotten a slimecraw. Good chance of a medium one too.

11 5-key coffers gives an 86.5% chance of getting medium slimecraw.

55 1-key coffers gives a 78.8% chance of getting medium slimecraw.

Norgh

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Norgh wrote: »

Looking at the history of the golden it would appear that Slimecraw Shoulders have not been present since June of 2019 is the an oversight?
@JessicaFolsom @GinaBruno

I know they are available via the undaunted keys but that is really very random.
My wife got Slimecraw Shoulders in medium with her fist 5 keys which is what we want for our builds, myself I have used 55 and no joy, would be nice to think that there is also a chance to get it from the Golden at a weekend as well.

If you used 55 keys you should have bought the coffer that drops only 2 shoulders, one being slimecraw. 11 tries you would have definitely gotten a slimecraw. Good chance of a medium one too.

Yes I did use the 5 key coffer and from my 55 keys used I got 4 Light Slimecraw shoulders.

mairwen85

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Norgh wrote: »

Looking at the history of the golden it would appear that Slimecraw Shoulders have not been present since June of 2019 is the an oversight?
@JessicaFolsom @GinaBruno

I know they are available via the undaunted keys but that is really very random.
My wife got Slimecraw Shoulders in medium with her fist 5 keys which is what we want for our builds, myself I have used 55 and no joy, would be nice to think that there is also a chance to get it from the Golden at a weekend as well.

If you used 55 keys you should have bought the coffer that drops only 2 shoulders, one being slimecraw. 11 tries you would have definitely gotten a slimecraw. Good chance of a medium one too.

11 5-key coffers gives an 86.5% chance of getting medium slimecraw.

55 1-key coffers gives a 78.8% chance of getting medium slimecraw.

I'm curious how you came to that conclusion. Per attempt your chance is 8/48 (1/6) (16.7%) to get the shoulders in the weight you want (ignoring trait because xmute). It's doesn't get better the more times you try.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/527278/probability-of-getting-a-certain-monster-shoulder

PrimusNephilim

Norgh wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Norgh wrote: »

Looking at the history of the golden it would appear that Slimecraw Shoulders have not been present since June of 2019 is the an oversight?
@JessicaFolsom @GinaBruno

I know they are available via the undaunted keys but that is really very random.
My wife got Slimecraw Shoulders in medium with her fist 5 keys which is what we want for our builds, myself I have used 55 and no joy, would be nice to think that there is also a chance to get it from the Golden at a weekend as well.

If you used 55 keys you should have bought the coffer that drops only 2 shoulders, one being slimecraw. 11 tries you would have definitely gotten a slimecraw. Good chance of a medium one too.

Yes I did use the 5 key coffer and from my 55 keys used I got 4 Light Slimecraw shoulders.

You appear to have my luck...I'm sorry

the1andonlyskwex

It's basic probability.

The probability of getting a particular set and weight from a (non-DLC) 1-key coffer is 1/36 (I don't know where you got 1/41). Therefore the probability of not getting it is 35/36. The probability of not getting it twice in a row is then (35/36)*(35/36), which generalizes to (35/36)^n for n coffers. Then, the probability of getting what you actually want is 1 minus the probability of not getting it.

So, the final calculations are...

For 55 1-key coffers: p = 1-(35/36)^55 = 0.788
For 11 5-key coffers: p = 1-(5/6)^11 = 0.865

In my opinion, you're almost always better off buying 1-key coffers for base game shoulders unless you're absolutely certain you'll never need any other sets from that vendor.

Things are a little different for sets from Urgarlag because she has 16 sets (and growing) instead of 12, so you have to replace the 35/36 with 47/48, while the 5/6 for the 5-key coffer stays the same.

West93

I have used about 120 keys and got bunch of heavy and light slimecraw but none medium. Rng hates me.

Norgh

West93 wrote: »

I have used about 120 keys and got bunch of heavy and light slimecraw but none medium. Rng hates me.

This is exactly why I was asking about it not being available on the golden since june 2019, If it was on the golden every few months at least people could get it that way.

BRCOURTN

mairwen85 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Norgh wrote: »

Looking at the history of the golden it would appear that Slimecraw Shoulders have not been present since June of 2019 is the an oversight?
@JessicaFolsom @GinaBruno

I know they are available via the undaunted keys but that is really very random.
My wife got Slimecraw Shoulders in medium with her fist 5 keys which is what we want for our builds, myself I have used 55 and no joy, would be nice to think that there is also a chance to get it from the Golden at a weekend as well.

If you used 55 keys you should have bought the coffer that drops only 2 shoulders, one being slimecraw. 11 tries you would have definitely gotten a slimecraw. Good chance of a medium one too.

11 5-key coffers gives an 86.5% chance of getting medium slimecraw.

55 1-key coffers gives a 78.8% chance of getting medium slimecraw.

I'm curious how you came to that conclusion. Per attempt your chance is 1/41 (2.4%) to get the shoulders in the weight you want (ignoring trait because xmute). It's doesn't get better the more times you try.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/527278/probability-of-getting-a-certain-monster-shoulder

It doesnt get better with each try, but if you know the number of attempts you will put in, the probability will improve as that number increases.

Also the guy did the maths.

Dojohoda

I felt like I won the lottery when I got a medium slimecraw shoulder.

mairwen85

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

It's basic probability.

The probability of getting a particular set and weight from a (non-DLC) 1-key coffer is 1/36 (I don't know where you got 1/41). Therefore the probability of not getting it is 35/36. The probability of not getting it twice in a row is then (35/36)*(35/36), which generalizes to (35/36)^n for n coffers. Then, the probability of getting what you actually want is 1 minus the probability of not getting it.

So, the final calculations are...

For 55 1-key coffers: p = 1-(35/36)^55 = 0.788
For 11 5-key coffers: p = 1-(5/6)^11 = 0.865

In my opinion, you're almost always better off buying 1-key coffers for base game shoulders unless you're absolutely certain you'll never need any other sets from that vendor.

Things are a little different for sets from Urgarlag because she has 16 sets (and growing) instead of 12, so you have to replace the 35/36 with 47/48, while the 5/6 for the 5-key coffer stays the same.

36 doesn't account for all traits, only weight and set, 41 is with trait. I get that trait has no bearing in this conversation as only medium was the requirement. Thanks for clearing that up.

the1andonlyskwex

mairwen85 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

It's basic probability.

The probability of getting a particular set and weight from a (non-DLC) 1-key coffer is 1/36 (I don't know where you got 1/41). Therefore the probability of not getting it is 35/36. The probability of not getting it twice in a row is then (35/36)*(35/36), which generalizes to (35/36)^n for n coffers. Then, the probability of getting what you actually want is 1 minus the probability of not getting it.

So, the final calculations are...

For 55 1-key coffers: p = 1-(35/36)^55 = 0.788
For 11 5-key coffers: p = 1-(5/6)^11 = 0.865

In my opinion, you're almost always better off buying 1-key coffers for base game shoulders unless you're absolutely certain you'll never need any other sets from that vendor.

Things are a little different for sets from Urgarlag because she has 16 sets (and growing) instead of 12, so you have to replace the 35/36 with 47/48, while the 5/6 for the 5-key coffer stays the same.

36 doesn't account for all traits, only weight and set, 41 is with trait. I get that trait has no bearing in this conversation as only medium was the requirement. Thanks for clearing that up.

41 does not account for trait. With trait it would be 288.

mairwen85

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

It's basic probability.

The probability of getting a particular set and weight from a (non-DLC) 1-key coffer is 1/36 (I don't know where you got 1/41). Therefore the probability of not getting it is 35/36. The probability of not getting it twice in a row is then (35/36)*(35/36), which generalizes to (35/36)^n for n coffers. Then, the probability of getting what you actually want is 1 minus the probability of not getting it.

So, the final calculations are...

For 55 1-key coffers: p = 1-(35/36)^55 = 0.788
For 11 5-key coffers: p = 1-(5/6)^11 = 0.865

In my opinion, you're almost always better off buying 1-key coffers for base game shoulders unless you're absolutely certain you'll never need any other sets from that vendor.

Things are a little different for sets from Urgarlag because she has 16 sets (and growing) instead of 12, so you have to replace the 35/36 with 47/48, while the 5/6 for the 5-key coffer stays the same.

36 doesn't account for all traits, only weight and set, 41 is with trait. I get that trait has no bearing in this conversation as only medium was the requirement. Thanks for clearing that up.

41 does not account for trait. With trait it would be 288.

Yeah, I get that, my math was possibly borked in the other thread. 😂 (not sure if you looked at the link)

Taleof2Cities

Norgh wrote: »

West93 wrote: »

I have used about 120 keys and got bunch of heavy and light slimecraw but none medium. Rng hates me.

This is exactly why I was asking about it not being available on the golden since june 2019, If it was on the golden every few months at least people could get it that way.

Though I'm sure your eyes are getting glazed over at all the statistics and probability discussion in your thread, @Norgh ... Adhazabi Aba-Daro the Golden is also RNG-based, unfortunately.

Due to poor RNG, Slimecraw has not made an appearance since June 2019. If you look closer, some monster sets have never made an appearance (e.g. Zaan).

itscompton

Just be glad you not looking for Thurvokun Helm. Never been in Golden once since release.

SickleCider

I also would like Slimecraw shoulders to appear in Golden tyvm.

Moloch1514

Wow, it is on the Golden Vendor @Norgh! Maybe you should play the lottery lol

Nemesis7884

Norgh wrote: »

Looking at the history of the golden it would appear that Slimecraw Shoulders have not been present since June of 2019 is the an oversight?
@JessicaFolsom @GinaBruno

I know they are available via the undaunted keys but that is really very random.
My wife got Slimecraw Shoulders in medium with her fist 5 keys which is what we want for our builds, myself I have used 55 and no joy, would be nice to think that there is also a chance to get it from the Golden at a weekend as well.

arranged something for you for this weekend....

you're welcome

Tommy_The_Gun

This thread is a proof that Gold Vendor is not RNG based....

Norgh

Mind blown, now if only I had not used all my transmute stones, lol

Norgh

No have been the golden and they not there.just stonekeeper and sellistrix.

JamieAubrey

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I hope they are added tonight that way I don't need to farm keys for our guild event on Sunday using this set

Happy Days

Norgh

JamieAubrey wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I hope they are added tonight that way I don't need to farm keys for our guild event on Sunday using this set

Happy Days

Yay you got them:), sadly for us on console we are waiting for them to sort out the error on the golden so we too can have them.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Bucky_13

mairwen85 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

It's basic probability.

The probability of getting a particular set and weight from a (non-DLC) 1-key coffer is 1/36 (I don't know where you got 1/41). Therefore the probability of not getting it is 35/36. The probability of not getting it twice in a row is then (35/36)*(35/36), which generalizes to (35/36)^n for n coffers. Then, the probability of getting what you actually want is 1 minus the probability of not getting it.

So, the final calculations are...

For 55 1-key coffers: p = 1-(35/36)^55 = 0.788
For 11 5-key coffers: p = 1-(5/6)^11 = 0.865

In my opinion, you're almost always better off buying 1-key coffers for base game shoulders unless you're absolutely certain you'll never need any other sets from that vendor.

Things are a little different for sets from Urgarlag because she has 16 sets (and growing) instead of 12, so you have to replace the 35/36 with 47/48, while the 5/6 for the 5-key coffer stays the same.

36 doesn't account for all traits, only weight and set, 41 is with trait. I get that trait has no bearing in this conversation as only medium was the requirement. Thanks for clearing that up.

41 does not account for trait. With trait it would be 288.

Yeah, I get that, my math was possibly borked in the other thread. 😂 (not sure if you looked at the link)

Trait can be solved with transmute crystals. And monster pieces is one of the most worthwhile uses for the Crystal's due to their rng.

Norgh

Just checked the golden and Slimecraw still absent sadly us console users are still awaiting parity with our PC brethren.

Elvenheart

Personally, it would drive me crazy to hope for a particular shoulder AND weight AND trait from a 5-key box. When I get the shoulder that I’m hoping for, it’s like a party! I build around whatever weight/trait I get. I’ve had such bad luck in the past and wasted so many keys, I really wish they would add the option to buy the specific shoulder you want for 10 keys, but keep the other options for people who want to chance the RNG

Norgh

If we had the same golden items as PC currently then all would well, however it is looking like console users are going to be left out in cold.

Mister_DMC

Serious question, why not use camo Hunter and a better Monster set? Unless you're playing Magicka I guess.

Norgh

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Serious question, why not use camo Hunter and a better Monster set? Unless you're playing Magicka I guess.

We are wanting to move from proc sets.