Please address Blastbones this patch cycle...

Atherakhia

One of the highlights of this patch was supposed to be addressing some of the low hanging fruit out there to bring some of the classes up to par. The Necromancer in general is probably target #1 for an overall class overhaul, but the lowest of low hanging fruit for any class at the moment has got to be blastbones.

The stamina morph is insanely strong and is single handedly making Stam Necro the most potent stamina class in PvP. The Magicka morph is so incredibly bad that it's basically little more than a spammable at this point and is one of the main reasons MagCro is consistently considered the worst Mag class in both PvE and PvP.

The Stamina morph just needs to have major defile replaced with minor defile. This seems like an obvious change I honestly can't figure out why it hasn't been done yet. Is it because with Minor Defile the Stamina Necro would be relegated to the worst stamina class in this game? I doubt it would fall below Stam Sorc, but with the Sorc changes in this patch who knows. Am I off base here?

The Mag morph seems much more diffcult to resolve. From a PvP perspective, the primary thing Necros are missing is burst. Without a cheap ult to fall back on like DKs do, the Necro really just doesn't have any teeth. An obvious thing to consider would be to attach minor vuln to this. My concern is the Necro is already little more than debuff machine in PVE. It would be nice if the class brought something other than Major and Minor vuln to a group. So perhaps this isn't a good call. Perhaps just have Stalking do DOT damage for 2 or 3 seconds in addition to the burst.

While these changes wouldn't magically fix all the problems with the Necro, a number of which are mechanical in nature and not simply a damage problem, Blastbones is one of the most broken skills in the game at the moment imo.

MashmalloMan

Target #1?

I'm sorry, but the base classes have been waiting 6 years so you might want to get in line :P (As a stam sorc main, I'm not complaining ZOS, don't take my class spammable away )

Jokes aside, it was a really stupid change, Stalking BB should have it's own unique effect and as others have said 100 times, Blighted Blastbones is a little overwhelming since it's fixes, especially with the nerf to healing on Battlespirit.

Imo, the problem doesn't stem from BB providing a Major instead of Minor, although that would be temporary fix, the problem is related to how strong the current Major buffs/debuffs are. They're all over the place. I'd much rather see all Majors decreaesed in value to something around 20% instead of 30% like we see on Protection, Vitality and Defile. It's way too polarizing.

Speaking of standards that ZOS loves to use, if you actually look at every % based minor/major buff/debuff, they're literally all over the place. It would be nice if the system was regulated to 10%/20% like it is with Weapon Damage and Regeneration.

To your points about what the Mag Morph should include, Minor Vulnerability actually seems like a nice offering because the class seems to be designed around mostly debuffing targets, rather than buffs. I think that fits the theme of the class quite well, but it's already provided on another skill. But meh, I don't play them so what do I know. More dot damage sounds cool, maybe a fire trail where it moves.

Taleof2Cities

"Buff my class" forums threads should be in Combat & Character Mechanics forums, @Atherakhia.

PTS is for testing, evaluation, and feedback on actual ZOS changes in the upcoming major update.

PTS is not for player ideas that may or may not make it into a future patch.

setayco

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

"Buff my class" forums threads should be in Combat & Character Mechanics forums, @Atherakhia.

PTS is for testing, evaluation, and feedback on actual ZOS changes in the upcoming major update.

PTS is not for player ideas that may or may not make it into a future patch.

This is feedback, addressing the class balance changes they have made based on opinions and feedback given for oversight and judgement on what the player base asked for. This PTS has 3/4 weeks time left before it hits live and this post as-well as others are addressing the proposed changes as-well as providing feedback. These threads are necessary to help ZoS push out changes and get them tested before anything hits live.
The current feedback is aimed at the current change to one of the many underwhelming skills that have been changed and feedback for a skill that is also underwhelming and also underperforming to its morphs’ counterpart which has seen far more use, criticism, and requests for a rework than said skill. All constructive criticism of changes and ideas should be discussed and encouraged.

nckg84

Yes please zos nerf it so we can see how useless another class will become because you can't seem to know what in gods name you are doing.

Blastbones, streak and you name it are all the OP skills that need change but which will completly destroy classes in pvp and shows us all how badly this game is designed pvp wise.

So yes please nerf it and also streak so we can see how terrible the game design actually is.

MashmalloMan

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

"Buff my class" forums threads should be in Combat & Character Mechanics forums, @Atherakhia.

PTS is for testing, evaluation, and feedback on actual ZOS changes in the upcoming major update.

PTS is not for player ideas that may or may not make it into a future patch.

Normally I'd agree.. but in this case, the subject in question is something they changed on the PTS 2 patches ago. I think it's fair to talk about it here when the concerns of many from the time, are STILL not addressed, yet the issue (Magicka BB Morph) was somewhat acknowledged by ZOS.

Mortiis13

Take major Defile and stamcro is completely useless. What good offense beside bb had stamcro in his kit? No major breach, no major brutality/sorcery, no major crit. Only major vulnerable from a easy to dodge expensive ultimate.

An on demand minor Defile could be dangerous also combined with Standart from dk.

Necro was a try to make it unique from other classes but it failes. It needs a overhaul with Fokus on debuffs (via corps use) , dot and minions that aren't doing their heal/dmg randomly.

For example:

Dmg tether should be sticking on the target directly, a corpse in the near use the rotten flesh to inflict the target and everyone who passes the tether with a random minor debuff.

likecats

Mortiis13 wrote: »

Take major Defile and stamcro is completely useless. What good offense beside bb had stamcro in his kit? No major breach, no major brutality/sorcery, no major crit. Only major vulnerable from a easy to dodge expensive ultimate.

An on demand minor Defile could be dangerous also combined with Standart from dk.

Necro was a try to make it unique from other classes but it failes. It needs a overhaul with Fokus on debuffs (via corps use) , dot and minions that aren't doing their heal/dmg randomly.

For example:

Dmg tether should be sticking on the target directly, a corpse in the near use the rotten flesh to inflict the target and everyone who passes the tether with a random minor debuff.

Major breach, major brutality, major crit does not even come close to how strong major defile is.
I'd be fine if they replaced major defile with any one of those.

d3adpain

Mortiis13 wrote: »

Take major Defile and stamcro is completely useless. What good offense beside bb had stamcro in his kit? No major breach, no major brutality/sorcery, no major crit. Only major vulnerable from a easy to dodge expensive ultimate.

An on demand minor Defile could be dangerous also combined with Standart from dk.

Necro was a try to make it unique from other classes but it failes. It needs a overhaul with Fokus on debuffs (via corps use) , dot and minions that aren't doing their heal/dmg randomly.

For example:

Dmg tether should be sticking on the target directly, a corpse in the near use the rotten flesh to inflict the target and everyone who passes the tether with a random minor debuff.

stam cro will be useless ? its hits high af also unlike warden sub its follows you (you can move to the side against warden to avoid sub),image that you fight three stam necros and they call it out when to use bb ? its gonna be 6-9k each one atm with medium new moon malacath clever bal builds depends how tanky you are.

also incap was nerfed for that same reason major defile on ability that hits high , and its was ultimate
they also took it off from reverb while its was a stun (now its a just a stun with little dmg and no one use that skill)

i dont ask for dmg nerf but major defile needs to go , also with it being disease dmg its also procs minor defile with luck
add to that the snare that its also gives the skill is overloaded af.
give it major/minor fracture or something else unique

right now its so busted that i see many people who mained stamina dk templar warden switched to it cause its so op
and in week time playtime with it they do with it better then maining thier class for year plus

Beffagorn

Mortiis13 wrote: »

Take major Defile and stamcro is completely useless. What good offense beside bb had stamcro in his kit? No major breach, no major brutality/sorcery, no major crit. Only major vulnerable from a easy to dodge expensive ultimate.

What are you even talking about?

Momentum, Puncture and Expert Hunter give you all of those things and can be slotted all at once or chosen based on preference and build.

Necro has Major Protection via Deaden Pain or the equivalent of Major Heroism from Necrotic Potency, -15% damage taken from dots, 4 effect cleanse AND the absolutely ridicolous amount of passives inside actives skills in addition of a ton of other incredibly strong passives.

Replacing Major Defile with Minor Defile is not going to make stamcro useless. They're still going to be overpowered, in fact but at the very least there's going to be counterplay via player skill instead of defaulting to a loss 90% of the time because blastbones is an "I-WIN" button.

setayco

Just hope they take action soon to fix the disparity between the two blastbones morphs.

React

Stamina necro won't kill anything without major defile.

What they need to so is make the blastbones untargetable, and remove the stupid "NPC SNARE" that the ability had tied to it (despite the tooltip not reflecting this).

If they plan on removing major defile off that skill, they'd better replace some of those defensive/healing/sustain passives with offensive ones. As it is right now, the class only has two offensive passives in it's entire kit.