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Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)
Pajor
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What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
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ManM✭✭✭Vampire is tuned for overland solo play only. Currently, the only skill worth using in serious content is blood for blood, which they have ruined with a horrible nerf in PTS.
If you just want to run around and eat NPCs outside of towns while enjoying life as wimpy bloodfiend, it's fine. Get a free bite from another player and enjoy the experience.10 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.0 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Currently Blood for Blood is the best spammable for magicka because it does not cost magicka, thus making your sustain with it pretty good. Assuming you have a healer or selfhealing of some kind.
On the test server (meaning next patch on live), Blood for Blood will be a terrible spammable because it will prevent healers from healing you for 5 seconds after using it. However Sated Fury (Blood Frenzy morph) is still pretty good if you know how to use it effectively.
Do keep in mind that vampirism negatively impacts your sustain across the board if you don't use Blood for Blood and it also makes your ultimate costs higher.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.6 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.2 -
Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's fun on a Nightblade for a thief but otherwise I have to say it's not really good anymore. The downsides are greater than the upsides with the increased cost of regular abilities and the stopping of health regen. I'm debating curing it on all but my NB thief actually.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso4 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
[Edited to remove Remove Comments]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 1:57PM0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wildberryjack wrote: »It's fun on a Nightblade for a thief but otherwise I have to say it's not really good anymore. The downsides are greater than the upsides with the increased cost of regular abilities and the stopping of health regen. I'm debating curing it on all but my NB thief actually.
The increased costs for regular abilities are easily managed at stage 1.
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FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Wildberryjack wrote: »It's fun on a Nightblade for a thief but otherwise I have to say it's not really good anymore. The downsides are greater than the upsides with the increased cost of regular abilities and the stopping of health regen. I'm debating curing it on all but my NB thief actually.
The increased costs for regular abilities are easily managed at stage 1.
True, but what are the benefits?- Overland thieving and farming.
- Overland RP.
- BfB (before the upcoming nerf).
Do you see any others worth the drawbacks?2 -
Myyth✭✭✭✭✭will the Blood for Blood nerf also prevent self healing skills from healing you for 5 seconds?0 -
Kittytravel✭✭✭✭✭What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 1:57PM4 -
Pajor✭✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.
I am using a sorcerer class which is getting boring and under performing by all other classes from my experience in end game pve. So i figured maybe vampire would have some good dps skills for end game pve, but im not sure which skills are good.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 1:57PM1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »It's fun on a Nightblade for a thief but otherwise I have to say it's not really good anymore. The downsides are greater than the upsides with the increased cost of regular abilities and the stopping of health regen. I'm debating curing it on all but my NB thief actually.
The increased costs for regular abilities are easily managed at stage 1.
True, but what are the benefits?- Overland thieving and farming.
- Overland RP.
- BfB (before the upcoming nerf).
Do you see any others worth the drawbacks?
The benefit is access to the skill line.
Which is why I told the OP to take a look at the skills. That's what it's going to come down to. Whether or not the skills appeal to them.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.
The Vampire has skills that do damage. So nah, it was a strange and pointless criticism. The kind of thing someone would write if they are just looking for a disagreement where one doesn't actually exist.
Also: I didn't even really put an opinion forth. All I did was simply tell the poster to take a look at the skills and if any of them appealed to them to give it a try. How such a benign and utterly uncontroversial comment as that could warrant you and that other person's criticism is just baffling to me. You both must be really bored is all I can think.
Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 2:02PM1 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.
The Vampire has skills that do damage. So nah, it was a strange and pointless criticism. The kind of thing someone would write if they are just looking for a disagreement where one doesn't actually exist.
Also: I didn't even really put an opinion forth. All I did was simply tell the poster to take a look at the skills and if any of them appealed to them to give it a try. How such a benign and utterly uncontroversial comment as that could warrant you and that other person's criticism is just baffling to me. You both must be really bored is all I can think.
No, stop it. They don't. Vampires literally have: Ultimate (if you take swarming scion) and Eviscerate.
None of their other skills 'deal damage'. (Why Im responding to this post, even. I don't want OP seeing it and getting the wrong idea.)
And once again, you're saying 'take a look at the skills and if any of them are appealing, giving it a try'. That is NOT the point of this thread, which is why I pointed you out in my original post. And also your insistence that the vampire skill line is in a wonderful place also contributes to why I pointed you out. OP deserves to know the raw truth and quite plainly, his post is asking for a specific thing that has nothing to do with 'just look at the skills and see if you like any'. Im pretty sure that idea went through OP's mind, but he's wanting to know the specifics if it's worth for magicka dps or not.
So therefore I agree with @Kittytravel.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 2:02PM5 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.
The Vampire has skills that do damage. So nah, it was a strange and pointless criticism. The kind of thing someone would write if they are just looking for a disagreement where one doesn't actually exist.
Also: I didn't even really put an opinion forth. All I did was simply tell the poster to take a look at the skills and if any of them appealed to them to give it a try. How such a benign and utterly uncontroversial comment as that could warrant you and that other person's criticism is just baffling to me. You both must be really bored is all I can think.
No, stop it. They don't. Vampires literally have: Ultimate (if you take swarming scion) and Eviscerate.
None of their other skills 'deal damage'. (Why Im responding to this post, even. I don't want OP seeing it and getting the wrong idea.)
And once again, you're saying 'take a look at the skills and if any of them are appealing, giving it a try'. That is NOT the point of this thread, which is why I pointed you out in my original post. And also your insistence that the vampire skill line is in a wonderful place also contributes to why I pointed you out. OP deserves to know the raw truth and quite plainly, his post is asking for a specific thing that has nothing to do with 'just look at the skills and see if you like any'. Im pretty sure that idea went through OP's mind, but he's wanting to know the specifics if it's worth for magicka dps or not.
So therefore I agree with @Kittytravel.
You agree with Kittytravel? Wow. That's a surprise. Shocking.
I know a lot of Vampires who DPS using Vampire Skills who would disagree with you about them not being good at dealing damage.
The " raw truth" here is that Vampire is for some people, and not for others. In order to find out which one they are - it can't hurt to try them out and see for yourself. That's the best way to figure it out, at least in my opinion. Now why on earth you have such a problem with me suggesting that is just beyond me. It's actually kind of funny at this point.
Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 2:02PM0 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.
I am using a sorcerer class which is getting boring and under performing by all other classes from my experience in end game pve. So i figured maybe vampire would have some good dps skills for end game pve, but im not sure which skills are good.
Surge + bfb/artieral burst is really popular in end game PvE right now. But if this current patch goes through, BfB will be quite useless.
Honestly, I wouldn't recommend going vampire unless you find smacking someone with your stick fun and entertaining. The only ability sorcs really use from the vamp tool kit is eviscerate, which isn't worth the downsides. From the sounds of it, you want a good, effective build that is also fun to play.
If you need help with a good magicka sorc build though, I recommend checking out this one: https://dottzgaming.com/build/apothis-magicka-sorcerer-pve-build/
I see a lot of sorcs use it in vet dungeons. It's a pretty good set up. I hope it can help! Don't get baited into using vampire skills on your sorc (unless you're going an eviscerate build) in end game stuff, you will be putting out so little damage that your group might not like that.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 2:03PM2 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.
The Vampire has skills that do damage. So nah, it was a strange and pointless criticism. The kind of thing someone would write if they are just looking for a disagreement where one doesn't actually exist.
Also: I didn't even really put an opinion forth. All I did was simply tell the poster to take a look at the skills and if any of them appealed to them to give it a try. How such a benign and utterly uncontroversial comment as that could warrant you and that other person's criticism is just baffling to me. You both must be really bored is all I can think.
No, stop it. They don't. Vampires literally have: Ultimate (if you take swarming scion) and Eviscerate.
None of their other skills 'deal damage'. (Why Im responding to this post, even. I don't want OP seeing it and getting the wrong idea.)
And once again, you're saying 'take a look at the skills and if any of them are appealing, giving it a try'. That is NOT the point of this thread, which is why I pointed you out in my original post. And also your insistence that the vampire skill line is in a wonderful place also contributes to why I pointed you out. OP deserves to know the raw truth and quite plainly, his post is asking for a specific thing that has nothing to do with 'just look at the skills and see if you like any'. Im pretty sure that idea went through OP's mind, but he's wanting to know the specifics if it's worth for magicka dps or not.
So therefore I agree with @Kittytravel.
You agree with Kittytravel? Wow. That's a surprise. Shocking.
And did you really just say none of the Vampire Skills "deal damage"?
I know a lot of Vampires who DPS using Vampire Skills who would disagree with you about that....
The " raw truth" here is that Vampire is for some people, and not for others. In order to find out which one they are - it can't hurt to try them out and see for yourself. That's the best way to figure it out, at least in my opinion. Why on earth you have such a problem with me suggesting that is just beyond me. It's actually kind of funny at this point.
I genuinely do not believe you know people that DPS using Vampiric drain or Blood Mist, the only other two skills in the vampire skill line that deal ""damage"". In the guilds I'm in we've kicked people from trials for using either of those skills as a dps or have asked them to change to actual damage abilities.
And no, I said no other skills in the line except for swarming scion or eviscerate deal damage. And Im absolutely correct.
The raw truth here is that if this patch goes through, you will most likely never see a vampire in end game content. Want to know why? Because eviscerate is carrying the skill line really hard right now. This is due to the skill line being badly designed. Without it being very good, the skill line is useless for end game content.
I have a problem with you suggesting it because you still aren't getting that isn't the point of this thread. The OP is literally asking if vamp is worth or not for a magicka sorc dps. He isn't asking "Hey guys, should I try out vamp on my sorc or not?"
And the answer to that is very simple: Is he going to build for eviscerate that may or may not be punted into oblivion next patch? Then no, he doesn't need to try vamp sorcerer to know if it is good or not for end game content.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 2:03PM4 -
Kittytravel✭✭✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.
I am using a sorcerer class which is getting boring and under performing by all other classes from my experience in end game pve. So i figured maybe vampire would have some good dps skills for end game pve, but im not sure which skills are good.
The short answer on the vampire front is after the upcoming nerfs posed on the PTS, assuming those changes go through, Vampire will lose their place in the meta unless some other buff is granted to them in the time between now and then.
If you're chasing the meta and looking for high DPS numbers I'd always just go with checking out ESOLogs. You can go into the side bar and click "Statistics" then under that sort it by class to Sorcerer > Magicka DPS > Action Bars
This can give you a decent idea of what abilities are parsing where in the current meta in many difference situations from dungeons to dummy parses to trials. If you aren't looking for the meta and instead are just looking to achieve reasonable DPS then you can definitely look at other sources and try to weave in abilities you like the feel of but maybe don't necessarily add the most damage.
Currently to my knowledge Sorcs aren't under performing much as most magicka classes are a significant bit ahead of all stamina classes with I believe Stamplar being the exception. I'm sorry your thread got slightly derailed and I hope this helps you find what you are looking for.
Edit: I didn't include a link so just in case you need it here you go.
https://www.esologs.com/zone/statistics/10#class=Sorcerer&spec=MagickaDPS&combatantinfo=ActionBars
Those are the ability bar statistics for sorcerers. You can see at the top the statistics are for those that ran Veteran Hard Mode Dungeons. ESOLogs are gathered by players who submit their logs through the application or alternatively gathered through all game Leaderboards.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 2:03PM1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.
The Vampire has skills that do damage. So nah, it was a strange and pointless criticism. The kind of thing someone would write if they are just looking for a disagreement where one doesn't actually exist.
Also: I didn't even really put an opinion forth. All I did was simply tell the poster to take a look at the skills and if any of them appealed to them to give it a try. How such a benign and utterly uncontroversial comment as that could warrant you and that other person's criticism is just baffling to me. You both must be really bored is all I can think.
No, stop it. They don't. Vampires literally have: Ultimate (if you take swarming scion) and Eviscerate.
None of their other skills 'deal damage'. (Why Im responding to this post, even. I don't want OP seeing it and getting the wrong idea.)
And once again, you're saying 'take a look at the skills and if any of them are appealing, giving it a try'. That is NOT the point of this thread, which is why I pointed you out in my original post. And also your insistence that the vampire skill line is in a wonderful place also contributes to why I pointed you out. OP deserves to know the raw truth and quite plainly, his post is asking for a specific thing that has nothing to do with 'just look at the skills and see if you like any'. Im pretty sure that idea went through OP's mind, but he's wanting to know the specifics if it's worth for magicka dps or not.
So therefore I agree with @Kittytravel.
You agree with Kittytravel? Wow. That's a surprise. Shocking.
And did you really just say none of the Vampire Skills "deal damage"?
I know a lot of Vampires who DPS using Vampire Skills who would disagree with you about that....
The " raw truth" here is that Vampire is for some people, and not for others. In order to find out which one they are - it can't hurt to try them out and see for yourself. That's the best way to figure it out, at least in my opinion. Why on earth you have such a problem with me suggesting that is just beyond me. It's actually kind of funny at this point.
I genuinely do not believe you know people that DPS using Vampiric drain or Blood Mist, the only other two skills in the vampire skill line that deal ""damage"". In the guilds I'm in we've kicked people from trials for using either of those skills as a dps.
And no, I said no other skills in the line except for swarming scion or eviscerate deal damage. And Im absolutely correct.
The raw truth here is that if this patch goes through, you will most likely never see a vampire in end game content. Want to know why? Because eviscerate is carrying the skill line really hard right now. Without it being very good, the skill line is useless for end game content.
I have a problem with you suggesting it because you still aren't getting that isn't the point of this thread. The OP is literally asking if vamp is worth or not for a magicka sorc dps. He isn't asking "Hey guys, should I try out vamp on my sorc or not?"
And the answer to that is very simple: Is he going to build for eviscerate that may or may not be punted into oblivion next patch? Then no, he doesn't need to try vamp sorcerer to know if it is good or not for end game content.
This is all I saw:
The title of the thread:
Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)
Then the opening post:
What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
Where in this does it ask for specifics about whether or not a Vampire is good for magicka sorc DPS? All I see is someone asking if Vampire is worth it Mag DPS wise (which I assume means "magicka dps?) and then asking for our thoughts. So I gave the OP "my thoughts"...
And yes, it's late and I misread what you wrote. I thought you said no vampire skills deal damage. That's why I asked if you had "really" said that because that seemed bizarre to me. So I'm glad to see that wasn't actually what you said.
In any case: I have friends who DPS as a Vampire (yes even in raids and endgame content) who like it. It may not appeal to you - but it does to others. I don't know what else to say on this. I still can't even believe my little innocent post has struck such a nerve with you. It's just crazy to me. lol I've had some people come after me over some silly stuff, but this one may take the cake.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 2:07PM0 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »Kittytravel wrote: »What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.
I am using a sorcerer class which is getting boring and under performing by all other classes from my experience in end game pve. So i figured maybe vampire would have some good dps skills for end game pve, but im not sure which skills are good.
The short answer on the vampire front is after the upcoming nerfs posed on the PTS, assuming those changes go through, Vampire will lose their place in the meta unless some other buff is granted to them in the time between now and then.
If you're chasing the meta and looking for high DPS numbers I'd always just go with checking out ESOLogs. You can go into the side bar and click "Statistics" then under that sort it by class to Sorcerer > Magicka DPS > Action Bars
This can give you a decent idea of what abilities are parsing where in the current meta in many difference situations from dungeons to dummy parses to trials. If you aren't looking for the meta and instead are just looking to achieve reasonable DPS then you can definitely look at other sources and try to weave in abilities you like the feel of but maybe don't necessarily add the most damage.
Currently to my knowledge Sorcs aren't under performing much as most magicka classes are a significant bit ahead of all stamina classes with I believe Stamplar being the exception. I'm sorry your thread got slightly derailed and I hope this helps you find what you are looking for.
Likewise! And I apologize for contributing to the slight derailing @Pajor, I hope you are able to get the answers you seek.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 2:08PM0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.
I am using a sorcerer class which is getting boring and under performing by all other classes from my experience in end game pve. So i figured maybe vampire would have some good dps skills for end game pve, but im not sure which skills are good.
Surge + bfb/artieral burst is really popular in end game PvE right now. But if this current patch goes through, BfB will be quite useless.
Honestly, I wouldn't recommend going vampire unless you find smacking someone with your stick fun and entertaining. The only ability sorcs really use from the vamp tool kit is eviscerate, which isn't worth the downsides. From the sounds of it, you want a good, effective build that is also fun to play.
If you need help with a good magicka sorc build though, I recommend checking out this one: https://dottzgaming.com/build/apothis-magicka-sorcerer-pve-build/
I see a lot of sorcs use it in vet dungeons. It's a pretty good set up. I hope it can help! Don't get baited into using vampire skills on your sorc (unless you're going an eviscerate build) in end game stuff, you will be putting out so little damage that your group might not like that.
They don't.
BfB doesn't proc Frags, so it actually LOWERS your dps. No well-built magsorc would use it.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 19, 2020 2:08PM0 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So... after reading all the responses ...
they created an entire year of content ... based around vampires and supernatural creatures ... and changed them so no one wants to play one ?
Is that about right ?
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StamPlar_1976✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »So... after reading all the responses ...
they created an entire year of content ... based around vampires and supernatural creatures ... and changed them so no one wants to play one ?
Is that about right ?
Pretty much. Unless you are using BfB, it isn't worth it. It is one of the only skill lines where the negative outweighs the positive.3 -
kaisernick✭✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »So... after reading all the responses ...
they created an entire year of content ... based around vampires and supernatural creatures ... and changed them so no one wants to play one ?
Is that about right ?
On a mag Nb i find it very useful i am curious if the upcoming bfb effect will include self heals if so ill probally not use it as often but eviserate and hypnosis are quite useful for solo and trash.
However i first tried out vampire on scorc and hated it, the negatives were to much of a burden to even warrent keeping.
they have made the skill a very nieche option which is dumb considering WW is very good for a lot of stam builds even if you dont use the ultimate.4 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »So... after reading all the responses ...
they created an entire year of content ... based around vampires and supernatural creatures ... and changed them so no one wants to play one ?
Is that about right ?
Yes. Vamps are role-playing now, and players tend to pick actual performance over RP. There is a HUGE disconnect between what ZOS want ESO to be and what players want.5 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »So... after reading all the responses ...
they created an entire year of content ... based around vampires and supernatural creatures ... and changed them so no one wants to play one ?
Is that about right ?
There are plenty of people who play Vampires and enjoy it.
So I would not listen to all this advice on here that suggest Vampires are terrible and only good for overland RPing. That's just not the case.
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As you can see, most player's opinions on the viability of vampire hinge on BfB's fate in the upcoming patch (understandable).
Currently playing a vamp magden with BfB and Swarming Scion, and the sustain is a noticeable improvement. I admit that vamp currently is alot of fun to play with while WB farming and non vet stuff. Would I run vamp in more serious content? Doubtful.
Still, if it intrigues you, give it a try."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »What are your thoughts? I was considering on swapping to vampire, I dont really understand a lot of the changes.
My advice would be to go online and take a look at the Vampire Skills. If any of them look good to you - or like something you would actually use - then I would try it out. If not - then I wouldn't bother.
I'm a Vampire myself and love it. But how much mileage you get out of it depends a lot on your specific build and play style.
I wouldn't listen to this advice. He's wanting to play as a magicka dps. The only two skills that will be relevant to him are the Ultimate and BfB, all other skills are kinda trash for mag dps.
Blood Frenzy can work sometimes, but generally isn't worth taking in dungeons/trials.
And as it stands, at the moment BfB is the best magicka damage ability in the game for PvE. But if this next patch goes through it will quickly become the worse.
The ultimate, by itself, isn't worth the cost nor being a stage 1 vampire. It's good, but if you're a dps there are plenty of other ultimates to get.
[snip]
Just because you don't like the skills doesn't mean the OP won't. There was nothing wrong with my advice for him or her to give the skills a look over to see if any of them interest him or her, then to try them out if they do. The best way to find out if you like something is to try out it out for yourself.
And remember, not everything on the PTS makes it to live.
So I wouldn't listen to your advice either. Because if some of the skills do interest the OP, it couldn't hurt to try them out. And that is literally all I said in that post.
The OP didn't ask about the skills or if they are interesting... the title of the post explicitly states "Is being a vampire worth it? Mag Dps wise (pve)"
So SlimeBro's post is extremely relevant to the initial question while yours is more from the vantage point of play how you like. The factual answers for achieving highest end game DPS unfortunately don't conform to "play how you like" as much as I wish it did.
I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinion but as far as the two suggestions go one does carry more weight in reference to this.
To add my own piece to the thread; BFB wasn't all that important for every magicka class; Sorcs and Templars didn't really slot the skill so it depends highly on what your mag DPS class is.
Magknight and Magwarden especially rely on BFB currently for sustain issues while classes like Magcro and Magblade relied on it a little less heavily but still utilized the ability.
I am using a sorcerer class which is getting boring and under performing by all other classes from my experience in end game pve. So i figured maybe vampire would have some good dps skills for end game pve, but im not sure which skills are good.
Surge + bfb/artieral burst is really popular in end game PvE right now. But if this current patch goes through, BfB will be quite useless.
Honestly, I wouldn't recommend going vampire unless you find smacking someone with your stick fun and entertaining. The only ability sorcs really use from the vamp tool kit is eviscerate, which isn't worth the downsides. From the sounds of it, you want a good, effective build that is also fun to play.
If you need help with a good magicka sorc build though, I recommend checking out this one: https://dottzgaming.com/build/apothis-magicka-sorcerer-pve-build/
I see a lot of sorcs use it in vet dungeons. It's a pretty good set up. I hope it can help! Don't get baited into using vampire skills on your sorc (unless you're going an eviscerate build) in end game stuff, you will be putting out so little damage that your group might not like that.
They don't.
BfB doesn't proc Frags, so it actually LOWERS your dps. No well-built magsorc would use it.
Oh? Well that's why I also said arterial too. Tbh I couldn't remember which it was, but I know one of those morphs + surge is mega strong.0