The Time Wasting

AmoralOne

Vietfox wrote: »

You had that skill for free for 6 years since you just had to do the tutorial in cyrodiil to be able to unlock it, you didn't need to pvp at all to get it, meaning that you don't have to "regrind" anything now.
Things changed, like in every mmo, and now you have to "work" (2 hours of zerg surfing lmao) for it

THIS

LuxLunae

How to get on the top of the leader boards...

1. Join a pvp guild
2. get on when there is barely anybody on
3. attack empty keeps

It should be fast, efficient and quick.

Do not join a pug...

wolfie1.0.

Vietfox wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

DTAmoral wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.

"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.

You must be one of those cry babies that screamed about the perfected MA/DSA items being added. lol

It takes like 2-4 hours to get your assault, and support up, plus you dont have to PvP, just chase tiks. If you cant manage that im not sure why you even play this game.

Exactly, now compare that to having to get your undaunted to lvl 9 or mages guild to 10.
I laugh every time people say they have to "grind" pvp levels.

I never said anything about grinding.

Your post says otherwise

deLioncourt wrote: »

Being forced to regrind PvP levels on EVERY toon I have just to get rapids again..

Its not about the grinding though, its about being forced to do the content I despise in order to obtain an ability that I have had for 6 years. There's context in most of my replies.

Use it. Be smart.

You had that skill for free for 6 years since you just had to do the tutorial in cyrodiil to be able to unlock it, you didn't need to pvp at all to get it, meaning that you don't have to "regrind" anything now.
Things changed, like in every mmo, and now you have to "work" (2 hours of zerg surfing lmao) for it

First let's be realistic here it will take longer than 2 hours for most players to get it unlocked. I have been player for years and the average time it takes to unlock vigor was around 12 hours of actual gameplay. Add in the lag and server issues that are the 4th faction of pvp and RL which is the 5th... and it can take me up to a week. To unlock.

Second, yes things DO change, and it's because they can and DO change that people voice opinions. The just go play argument is a non argument and is just a way of dismissing concerns. It's the same as the L2P one that people use and if that were the only argument then half of the forum posts wouldn't exist.

You are basically telling people to accept the changes and play the game. But we are losing a skill that we previously had access to on a LOT of characters. A QOL skill for every player. Including pvpers. And replacing it with one that only a few people will use.

So maybe the regrind phrase is misused. So let me rephrase. We have to now grind content that we dont want to grind to gain access to a QOL skill that we used to have access to at the early stages of a characters development. And instead moving it to the middle or end of said development. It would better if the skill were unlocked if I had it already unlocked now. But per the PTS that isn't an option.

kringled_1

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I don't particularly agree with the OP but I think this claim is a bit unrealistic. Assault/Support 8 to 9 is 270k AP, and 9 to 10 is 300k. Just those two levels in 4 hours is about 150k AP/hour. While this isn't impossible, it's hard to pull off unless you can stack bonuses (pelinals, low pop) and have a group that can roll through pvdoor quickly; or if you're in a small but exceptionally good group that can routinely and quickly win outnumbered fights.
Getting to say assault/support 4 or 5, I would agree, not too hard to pull off in a few hours.

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idk

It takes so little time to unlock all the skills in AvA. Zos significantly cut the AP required for all levels and the AP we earn from PvP activities.

Further, I would venture that vigor is a notably more important skill in PvE as it offers all stam players a decent heal. That is a couple of notches up from a speed boost.

amm7sb14_ESO

deLioncourt wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate PVP too, and I don't like this change, but it's a PVP skill. One with an effect (Major Expedition) that is available through many different means.

I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible.

"I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible."

That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.

"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.

You're not being forced to do anything. Skills and sets and everything else change all the time. That's the nature of an MMO. I can't tell you how many times I've had points refunded to my character because things were changed that I already had. There are other ways to get Major Expedition if you want that effect. You don't have to get Rapid Maneuvers.

I understand your frustration, and it's valid. However, these sorts of things are the norm for MMO's. Their upcoming design mandates that you need to be a specific level in a specific area to achieve Rapid Maneuvers.

But what other ways are there to get Major Gallop?

Again, as I stated, if you're not in Cyrodiil, there is little to no need for Major Gallop.

That effect was designed specifically for Cyrodiil, and Cyrodiil is the only place where it is needed.

The rest of the world, you have wayshrines and fast travel, and much smaller zones to get from point A to point B, with little if any of a time need to get to point B.

"Again, as I stated, if you're not in Cyrodiil, there is little to no need for Major Gallop."

Again, as I stated, that's your opinion and nobody can force me to care about it.

I mean, that's a pretty hostile mindset to have to post on a public forum and then get combative when people disagree with your opinion. I've made no combative comments towards you. In fact I even tried to offer you a method to try to gain the AP you need using PVE, as someone who is generally a like-minded player to what you are describing.

Sounds like you'd rather just use the time stamping your feet though.

deLioncourt

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate PVP too, and I don't like this change, but it's a PVP skill. One with an effect (Major Expedition) that is available through many different means.

I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible.

"I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible."

That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.

"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.

You're not being forced to do anything. Skills and sets and everything else change all the time. That's the nature of an MMO. I can't tell you how many times I've had points refunded to my character because things were changed that I already had. There are other ways to get Major Expedition if you want that effect. You don't have to get Rapid Maneuvers.

I understand your frustration, and it's valid. However, these sorts of things are the norm for MMO's. Their upcoming design mandates that you need to be a specific level in a specific area to achieve Rapid Maneuvers.

But what other ways are there to get Major Gallop?

Again, as I stated, if you're not in Cyrodiil, there is little to no need for Major Gallop.

That effect was designed specifically for Cyrodiil, and Cyrodiil is the only place where it is needed.

The rest of the world, you have wayshrines and fast travel, and much smaller zones to get from point A to point B, with little if any of a time need to get to point B.

"Again, as I stated, if you're not in Cyrodiil, there is little to no need for Major Gallop."

Again, as I stated, that's your opinion and nobody can force me to care about it.

I mean, that's a pretty hostile mindset to have to post on a public forum and then get combative when people disagree with your opinion. I've made no combative comments towards you. In fact I even tried to offer you a method to try to gain the AP you need using PVE, as someone who is generally a like-minded player to what you are describing.

Sounds like you'd rather just use the time stamping your feet though.

I'm not combative because we disagree. I'm combative because you're trying to force your opinion to be my opinion. I don't really care if you don't see a need for rapids in PvE. I do see a need for it.

Restating your opinion doesn't change that.

mairwen85

deLioncourt wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate PVP too, and I don't like this change, but it's a PVP skill. One with an effect (Major Expedition) that is available through many different means.

I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible.

"I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible."

That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.

"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.

You're not being forced to do anything. Skills and sets and everything else change all the time. That's the nature of an MMO. I can't tell you how many times I've had points refunded to my character because things were changed that I already had. There are other ways to get Major Expedition if you want that effect. You don't have to get Rapid Maneuvers.

I understand your frustration, and it's valid. However, these sorts of things are the norm for MMO's. Their upcoming design mandates that you need to be a specific level in a specific area to achieve Rapid Maneuvers.

But what other ways are there to get Major Gallop?

Again, as I stated, if you're not in Cyrodiil, there is little to no need for Major Gallop.

That effect was designed specifically for Cyrodiil, and Cyrodiil is the only place where it is needed.

The rest of the world, you have wayshrines and fast travel, and much smaller zones to get from point A to point B, with little if any of a time need to get to point B.

"Again, as I stated, if you're not in Cyrodiil, there is little to no need for Major Gallop."

Again, as I stated, that's your opinion and nobody can force me to care about it.

I mean, that's a pretty hostile mindset to have to post on a public forum and then get combative when people disagree with your opinion. I've made no combative comments towards you. In fact I even tried to offer you a method to try to gain the AP you need using PVE, as someone who is generally a like-minded player to what you are describing.

Sounds like you'd rather just use the time stamping your feet though.

I'm not combative because we disagree. I'm combative because you're trying to force your opinion to be my opinion. I don't really care if you don't see a need for rapids in PvE. I do see a need for it.

Restating your opinion doesn't change that.

It is fun that rapids can make me run faster than my mount on low level characters, and even almost circumvent the whole mount training for a while. I think that's the crux of it, rapids is 100% pure QoL, and the motivation to get it early is the time gated mount progression. It has utility in several areas of PvE, by no means essential, but certainly very useful and favourable to have. In comparison, however, I have to agree that Vigor has greater criticality, but whether that's the real motivation behind this change is questionable. Options exist to please everyone in this debate, but we wont get those... and arguing with strangers on opinion points isn't going to make that happen either. Really, the place for this conversation is on the PTS sub-forum and presented in terms that express what the alternatives are and why they present a better outcome, but multiple threads on the same topic from a single combative poster is not representative of such feedback or a unified community voice.

deleted221106-002999

deLioncourt wrote: »

Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave.

Which campaign was he emperor in?

volkeswagon

i got rapids on all my toons without stepping into the 'diil. I just collected the daily reward when it was AP on each toon and voila. Now they will all have vigor instead. I will not be grinding for rapids on any otheres

Karmanorway

deLioncourt wrote: »

Replies on this post have helped me to better understand why Zenimax doesn't bother trying to communicate with people on this forum in any meaningful capacity.

Its like talking a wall.

Its quite simple, what the ppl here are trying to say is suck it up and deal with it like the rest of us.

Is it fair u should have to regrind for a skill u have had for 6 years? No it isnt, but it wont change the fact that you have to.

And If u put aside this hatred you have for PvP players and actually try to be a bit openminded to all the help/tips/advices they have given you, this AP grind will be faster and less painful for you.

... Now excuse me, i gotta go to crypt of hearts and kill boring and braindead npcs for the 38th time today, because im forced to grind for undaunted passives and PvP gear