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The Time Wasting
deLioncourt
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I personally do like PvP. That's just me. PvP in this game in any form is just..meh. I'd rather watch Sailor Moon.
Being forced to regrind PvP levels on EVERY toon I have just to get rapids again..when i've already had rapids since rapids has been a thing? Taking away something i've had for 6 years all of the sudden on a whim?
Sure, I could just join PvP again to get it back..but you're literally going to force me to spend hours doing the only thing in this game I hate doing?
Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave.
*This post would have benefitted greatly from a lack of trolling on DTAmoral's part.
Edited by deLioncourt on July 16, 2020 4:15PM Being forced to regrind PvP levels on EVERY toon I have just to get rapids again..when i've already had rapids since rapids has been a thing? Taking away something i've had for 6 years all of the sudden on a whim?
Sure, I could just join PvP again to get it back..but you're literally going to force me to spend hours doing the only thing in this game I hate doing?
Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave.
*This post would have benefitted greatly from a lack of trolling on DTAmoral's part.
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✭✭There is a gear icon to edit posts. It should be near the title of the topic for you.3 -
CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wait. Wait wait wait...
You are citing Thomas Jefferson over a video game?
Amazing.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!5 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So OP has never player a support character like ever?
OP hasn't played a stam character in 6 years? <Member Caltrops grind?>2 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You didn't have to grind *** since you could get rapids by doing just the tutorial.
PS: i don't like pve, mainly because it's easy and boring, and yet you won't see me complaining about it.3 -
deLioncourt✭✭✭✭Red_Feather wrote: »There is a gear icon to edit posts. It should be near the title of the topic for you.
You're a legend.0 -
Curious_Death✭✭✭✭✭deLioncourt wrote: »I personally do like PvP. That's just me. PvP in this game in any form is just..meh. I'd rather watch Sailor Moon.
Being forced to regrind PvP levels on EVERY toon I have just to get rapids again..when i've already had rapids since rapids has been a thing? Taking away something i've had for 6 years all of the sudden on a whim?
Sure, I could just join PvP again to get it back..but you're literally going to force me to spend hours doing the only thing in this game I hate doing?
Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave.
Hi!
Look at this other way:
1)Gather friends...
2)make purple PVP gear (some1 will help u for sure)
2.5) get good CP setup to overcome your weakness in PVP and boost your strenght
3)think about best disabling skill and survivality abilities (you hunt thinking being not npc)
4)test it in duel whats best to make other player weak (more challenging than npc)
5)Go with your friends and hunt LEADS in IC and belive me as 4-6 ppl you have BIG chance to survive
* most things i wrote EVERY PVE'r do b4 challenging vTrial2 -
deLioncourt✭✭✭✭Curious_Death wrote: »deLioncourt wrote: »I personally do like PvP. That's just me. PvP in this game in any form is just..meh. I'd rather watch Sailor Moon.
Being forced to regrind PvP levels on EVERY toon I have just to get rapids again..when i've already had rapids since rapids has been a thing? Taking away something i've had for 6 years all of the sudden on a whim?
Sure, I could just join PvP again to get it back..but you're literally going to force me to spend hours doing the only thing in this game I hate doing?
Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave.
Hi!
Look at this other way:
1)Gather friends...
2)make purple PVP gear (some1 will help u for sure)
2.5) get good CP setup to overcome your weakness in PVP and boost your strenght
3)think about best disabling skill and survivality abilities (you hunt thinking being not npc)
4)test it in duel whats best to make other player weak (more challenging than npc)
5)Go with your friends and hunt LEADS in IC and belive me as 4-6 ppl you have BIG chance to survive
* most things i wrote EVERY PVE'r do b4 challenging vTrial
You missed the point also. I shouldn't be forced to participate in an aspect of the game that I despise in order to obtain a skill i've already had for 6 years.3 -
AmoralOne✭✭✭✭Meh. Ill never feel bad for PvE players until Zos takes all armor sets from dungeons and puts them in coffers in Cyro. Make them 100k a piece idc. Anything is better than grinding a dungeon for PvP gear.PC NA - EP's Greatest Support4 -
deLioncourt✭✭✭✭Meh. Ill never feel bad for PvE players until Zos takes all armor sets from dungeons and puts them in coffers in Cyro. Make them 100k a piece idc. Anything is better than grinding a dungeon for PvP gear.
We're not talking about gear, we're talking about abilities.
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AmoralOne✭✭✭✭deLioncourt wrote: »
We're not talking about gear, we're talking about abilities.
False equivalence.
Its really the same thing. You have to spend 3-4 hours in Cyro chasing free tiks from PvP players, vs PvP players having to farm a dungeon X many times to try and get his gear to go back to Cyro.
If PvP players are forced to do PvE content for their PvP experience, than PvE players should be forced to do PvP content for their experience.PC NA - EP's Greatest Support1 -
amm7sb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I hate PVP too, and I don't like this change, but it's a PVP skill. One with an effect (Major Expedition) that is available through many different means.
I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible.1 -
Curious_Death✭✭✭✭✭deLioncourt wrote: »Curious_Death wrote: »deLioncourt wrote: »I personally do like PvP. That's just me. PvP in this game in any form is just..meh. I'd rather watch Sailor Moon.
Being forced to regrind PvP levels on EVERY toon I have just to get rapids again..when i've already had rapids since rapids has been a thing? Taking away something i've had for 6 years all of the sudden on a whim?
Sure, I could just join PvP again to get it back..but you're literally going to force me to spend hours doing the only thing in this game I hate doing?
Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave.
Hi!
Look at this other way:
1)Gather friends...
2)make purple PVP gear (some1 will help u for sure)
2.5) get good CP setup to overcome your weakness in PVP and boost your strenght
3)think about best disabling skill and survivality abilities (you hunt thinking being not npc)
4)test it in duel whats best to make other player weak (more challenging than npc)
5)Go with your friends and hunt LEADS in IC and belive me as 4-6 ppl you have BIG chance to survive
* most things i wrote EVERY PVE'r do b4 challenging vTrial
You missed the point also. I shouldn't be forced to participate in an aspect of the game that I despise in order to obtain a skill i've already had for 6 years.
yes, true - the basic movement boost should be 1st thing that we get - just like now, i agree with you.
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just wanted help in the sandbox, where not we make rules.Edited by Curious_Death on July 16, 2020 3:13PM0 -
deLioncourt✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »I hate PVP too, and I don't like this change, but it's a PVP skill. One with an effect (Major Expedition) that is available through many different means.
I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible.
"I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible."
That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.
"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.
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amm7sb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭deLioncourt wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »I hate PVP too, and I don't like this change, but it's a PVP skill. One with an effect (Major Expedition) that is available through many different means.
I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible.
"I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible."
That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.
"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.
You're not being forced to do anything. Skills and sets and everything else change all the time. That's the nature of an MMO. I can't tell you how many times I've had points refunded to my character because things were changed that I already had. There are other ways to get Major Expedition if you want that effect. You don't have to get Rapid Maneuvers.
I understand your frustration, and it's valid. However, these sorts of things are the norm for MMO's. Their upcoming design mandates that you need to be a specific level in a specific area to achieve Rapid Maneuvers.3 -
redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭deLioncourt wrote: »Being forced to regrind PvP levels on EVERY toon I have just to get rapids again
The possible grind just depends on how many abilities you have already unlocked in your chars: eg, all my stam chars have vigor unlocked atm.
ZOS will reset skill points allocated but depending on how much you played PvP before maybe you won't need to play again.
PS - For new n casual players, who at many times struggle with HP issues, vigor is a lot more useful than rapids."Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2360 CP
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✭deLioncourt wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »I hate PVP too, and I don't like this change, but it's a PVP skill. One with an effect (Major Expedition) that is available through many different means.
I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible.
"I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible."
That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.
"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.
Also, if you specifically don't like the PVP aspect of the game, there are PVE'ish ways you can earn AP as well to level your Assault and Support lines.
For one, as a PVE'er who still likes to earn AP, I often solo the keep resources: farms, lumbermills, and mines. They are easily solo'able, you get AP points and will level your skills. Yes, you do run the risk of getting killed, of course, but the risk is less if you pick keeps that aren't currently under attack and such. You can also go in with a group or find one there that can help protect you.
There's also the city dailies in places like Bruma as well. Give AP for pretty easy and repeatable PVE dailies.1 -
deLioncourt✭✭✭✭Replies on this post have helped me to better understand why Zenimax doesn't bother trying to communicate with people on this forum in any meaningful capacity.
Its like talking a wall.2 -
wolfie1.0.✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Meh. Ill never feel bad for PvE players until Zos takes all armor sets from dungeons and puts them in coffers in Cyro. Make them 100k a piece idc. Anything is better than grinding a dungeon for PvP gear.
And I never feel bad about PVPers because PVP content and balancing is the root cause of the vast majority of the changes to the game. And ANYTHING is better than grinding pvp.2 -
AmoralOne✭✭✭✭wtlonewolf20 wrote: »And I never feel bad about PVPers because PVP content and balancing is the root cause of the vast majority of the changes to the game. And ANYTHING is better than grinding pvp.
@wtlonewolf20 Ill agree we cause a lot of balance changes.
Thats because actual humans are doing everything in their power to make their characters stronger, and to use any advantage, or exploit zos slides in against others.
Your PvE boss' are never going to change, they are always going to do exactly what they have been doing for years past, and years to come, and the same damage. If this was a PvE only game there would be a lot less balance changes, I will agree.
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Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭deLioncourt wrote: »deLioncourt wrote: »That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.
"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.
You must be one of those cry babies that screamed about the perfected MA/DSA items being added. lol
It takes like 2-4 hours to get your assault, and support up, plus you dont have to PvP, just chase tiks. If you cant manage that im not sure why you even play this game.
Exactly, now compare that to having to get your undaunted to lvl 9 or mages guild to 10.
I laugh every time people say they have to "grind" pvp levels.
I never said anything about grinding.
Your post says otherwisedeLioncourt wrote: »
Being forced to regrind PvP levels on EVERY toon I have just to get rapids again..
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✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »deLioncourt wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »I hate PVP too, and I don't like this change, but it's a PVP skill. One with an effect (Major Expedition) that is available through many different means.
I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible.
"I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible."
That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.
"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.
You're not being forced to do anything. Skills and sets and everything else change all the time. That's the nature of an MMO. I can't tell you how many times I've had points refunded to my character because things were changed that I already had. There are other ways to get Major Expedition if you want that effect. You don't have to get Rapid Maneuvers.
I understand your frustration, and it's valid. However, these sorts of things are the norm for MMO's. Their upcoming design mandates that you need to be a specific level in a specific area to achieve Rapid Maneuvers.
But what other ways are there to get Major Gallop?The Moot Councillor1 -
deLioncourt✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »deLioncourt wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »I hate PVP too, and I don't like this change, but it's a PVP skill. One with an effect (Major Expedition) that is available through many different means.
I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible.
"I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible."
That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.
"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.
You're not being forced to do anything. Skills and sets and everything else change all the time. That's the nature of an MMO. I can't tell you how many times I've had points refunded to my character because things were changed that I already had. There are other ways to get Major Expedition if you want that effect. You don't have to get Rapid Maneuvers.
I understand your frustration, and it's valid. However, these sorts of things are the norm for MMO's. Their upcoming design mandates that you need to be a specific level in a specific area to achieve Rapid Maneuvers.
But what other ways are there to get Major Gallop?
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AmoralOne✭✭✭✭Exactly, now compare that to having to get your undaunted to lvl 9 or mages guild to 10.
I laugh every time people say they have to "grind" pvp levels.
@Vietfox Those suck for sure lol BUT that is what Zos wanted. If I want my undaunted passives ill go grind dungeons. If I want meteor ill go collect books. Which I have many times over, because that is what is required. lolPC NA - EP's Greatest Support0 -
deLioncourt✭✭✭✭deLioncourt wrote: »deLioncourt wrote: »That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.
"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.
You must be one of those cry babies that screamed about the perfected MA/DSA items being added. lol
It takes like 2-4 hours to get your assault, and support up, plus you dont have to PvP, just chase tiks. If you cant manage that im not sure why you even play this game.
Exactly, now compare that to having to get your undaunted to lvl 9 or mages guild to 10.
I laugh every time people say they have to "grind" pvp levels.
I never said anything about grinding.
Your post says otherwisedeLioncourt wrote: »
Being forced to regrind PvP levels on EVERY toon I have just to get rapids again..
Its not about the grinding though, its about being forced to do the content I despise in order to obtain an ability that I have had for 6 years. There's context in most of my replies.
Use it. Be smart.0 -
amm7sb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »deLioncourt wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »I hate PVP too, and I don't like this change, but it's a PVP skill. One with an effect (Major Expedition) that is available through many different means.
I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible.
"I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible."
That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.
"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.
You're not being forced to do anything. Skills and sets and everything else change all the time. That's the nature of an MMO. I can't tell you how many times I've had points refunded to my character because things were changed that I already had. There are other ways to get Major Expedition if you want that effect. You don't have to get Rapid Maneuvers.
I understand your frustration, and it's valid. However, these sorts of things are the norm for MMO's. Their upcoming design mandates that you need to be a specific level in a specific area to achieve Rapid Maneuvers.
But what other ways are there to get Major Gallop?
Again, as I stated, if you're not in Cyrodiil, there is little to no need for Major Gallop.
That effect was designed specifically for Cyrodiil, and Cyrodiil is the only place where it is needed.
The rest of the world, you have wayshrines and fast travel, and much smaller zones to get from point A to point B, with little if any of a time need to get to point B.2 -
deLioncourt✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »deLioncourt wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »I hate PVP too, and I don't like this change, but it's a PVP skill. One with an effect (Major Expedition) that is available through many different means.
I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible.
"I don't care for the change and I hate PVP but it seems kind of counter productive to argue that you have to do PVP to get a PVP intended skill. If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible."
That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.
"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.
You're not being forced to do anything. Skills and sets and everything else change all the time. That's the nature of an MMO. I can't tell you how many times I've had points refunded to my character because things were changed that I already had. There are other ways to get Major Expedition if you want that effect. You don't have to get Rapid Maneuvers.
I understand your frustration, and it's valid. However, these sorts of things are the norm for MMO's. Their upcoming design mandates that you need to be a specific level in a specific area to achieve Rapid Maneuvers.
But what other ways are there to get Major Gallop?
Again, as I stated, if you're not in Cyrodiil, there is little to no need for Major Gallop.
That effect was designed specifically for Cyrodiil, and Cyrodiil is the only place where it is needed.
The rest of the world, you have wayshrines and fast travel, and much smaller zones to get from point A to point B, with little if any of a time need to get to point B.
"Again, as I stated, if you're not in Cyrodiil, there is little to no need for Major Gallop."
Again, as I stated, that's your opinion and nobody can force me to care about it.
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✭✭deLioncourt wrote: »deLioncourt wrote: »deLioncourt wrote: »That's not what I am arguing. I am arguing that I shouldn't be forced to re-obtain a skill i've ALREADY HAD FOR 6 YEARS by doing content in this game that I absolutely hate.
"If you're not in Cyrodiil, then the need for the mount aspect of Rapids is negligible." That's your opinion.
You must be one of those cry babies that screamed about the perfected MA/DSA items being added. lol
It takes like 2-4 hours to get your assault, and support up, plus you dont have to PvP, just chase tiks. If you cant manage that im not sure why you even play this game.
Exactly, now compare that to having to get your undaunted to lvl 9 or mages guild to 10.
I laugh every time people say they have to "grind" pvp levels.
I never said anything about grinding.
Your post says otherwisedeLioncourt wrote: »
Being forced to regrind PvP levels on EVERY toon I have just to get rapids again..
Its not about the grinding though, its about being forced to do the content I despise in order to obtain an ability that I have had for 6 years. There's context in most of my replies.
Use it. Be smart.
You had that skill for free for 6 years since you just had to do the tutorial in cyrodiil to be able to unlock it, you didn't need to pvp at all to get it, meaning that you don't have to "regrind" anything now.
Things changed, like in every mmo, and now you have to "work" (2 hours of zerg surfing lmao) for it3