Pet Sorc

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Def a buff if you are running Thrassian. Probably a nerf if you are like a lot of sorcs and stack completely into max magic without much thought to spell damage. Most people dont build this way in PVE, so we will see how it plays out once the dummy humping masters show us the potential.

Lord-Otto

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Def a buff if you are running Thrassian. Probably a nerf if you are like a lot of sorcs and stack completely into max magic without much thought to spell damage. Most people dont build this way in PVE, so we will see how it plays out once the dummy humping masters show us the potential.

But Thrassian are nerfed.
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Wolf81

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I am using 2-pet heavy attack lightning sorc on live. Necropotence + Mother's Sorrow + Maw of Infernal + non-perfected VMA fire staff on backbar. My DPS was barely changed on PTS. It went up a bit when switching out Necropotence for New Moon Acolyte. I want to try infused spell damage glyphs on jewelry, though. Also, stuff like major and minor courage now buffs pets when it did not before. I think gear changes are coming, but I also think this will work out OK. Heavy attack builds don't really need a huge magicka pool because sustain is good. So reducing max magicka and increasing spell damage is a pretty quick and easy adjustment. On 21m dummy on PTS, I averaged 44.7k max magicka and 4868 spell damage. I have never been one to run Necropotence + Crafty Alfiq + two 1-piece max mag monster pieces, though. Not sure how much those builds are hurt. To me, they seemed to sacrifice too much crit chance in a PvE meta where Shadow and War Horn are so popular.[/quote]

That is great to hear I didn't want to change my current setup too much until I get FG(if depends on how it changes) after ptr.
I also read the infused spellpower jewelry might be the way to go now.

gatekeeper13

Lord-Otto wrote: »

MS+FG easily breaches the 80k mark.

MS+FG+Zaan here and still struggling to get over 50k dps in trial dummy.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

MS+FG easily breaches the 80k mark.

MS+FG+Zaan here and still struggling to get over 50k dps in trial dummy.

Hm. What's the rest of your gear? Skills, rotation?

Maelstrom inferno infused with weapon enchant in backbar. Food, Witchmother's Potent Brew.

1bar: Elemental Weapon, Daedric Prey, Crystal Frags, Familiar, Matriarch (for pug DLC content, otherwise Tormentor)

2bar: Elemental Blockade, Critical Surge, Channeled Acceleration, Familiar, Matriarch

Blockade-Familiar-Curse-Elemental- repeat. LA between them

It's not the rotation or the gear. I am just not good at animation cancelling.

FearTheRealFett

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Def a buff if you are running Thrassian. Probably a nerf if you are like a lot of sorcs and stack completely into max magic without much thought to spell damage. Most people dont build this way in PVE, so we will see how it plays out once the dummy humping masters show us the potential.

The Thrassian are toast now. This entire Magicka/Spell Damage would make more sense to me if they were pushing Strangers but even then all those who don’t own Greymoor would have been excluded and this just isn’t the route they seem to be taking.

Buffing MS, but pushing us to Magicka & Spell Damage seems kinda of weird but ok. If anything get the math right for all my stats to channel to my pet but I think that could make for some OP builds.

Magicka just made it easy, now nerfing Necropotence and moving us away from Magicka stacking just seems a weird more and more complicated code which they have been preaching they are going away from to improve “performance”...I won’t try to make sense of their thought process but make do with what is given. I would just like to know exactly what I’m getting😊

Wolf81

Starting to think Destruction Mastery set might make a comeback on my petsorc builds if this ptr goes through.

Lord-Otto

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

MS+FG easily breaches the 80k mark.

MS+FG+Zaan here and still struggling to get over 50k dps in trial dummy.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

MS+FG easily breaches the 80k mark.

MS+FG+Zaan here and still struggling to get over 50k dps in trial dummy.

Hm. What's the rest of your gear? Skills, rotation?

Maelstrom inferno infused with weapon enchant in backbar. Food, Witchmother's Potent Brew.

1bar: Elemental Weapon, Daedric Prey, Crystal Frags, Familiar, Matriarch (for pug DLC content, otherwise Tormentor)

2bar: Elemental Blockade, Critical Surge, Channeled Acceleration, Familiar, Matriarch

Blockade-Familiar-Curse-Elemental- repeat. LA between them

It's not the rotation or the gear. I am just not good at animation cancelling.

Hm. You should be able to sustain with bistat food, increasing your dps. You're using Surge (should be Ward), are you not using spellpower pots? The Major Prophecy from them is noticeable. But I understand they're quite expensive. Jewelry in bloodthirsty is currently best damage, but it gets nerfed next patch, anyway. Unstable Wall is better now than Blockade.
If you know you have a low amount of light attacks in your parse, you should definitely use Crushing Shock instead of Elemental Weapons! But don't give up on improving your weaving, it comes with time. C=

FearTheRealFett

Lord-Otto wrote: »

If you know you have a low amount of light attacks in your parse, you should definitely use Crushing Shock instead of Elemental Weapons! But don't give up on improving your weaving, it comes with time. C=

I play a Heavy Lighting AOE build just because I have weaving disfunction and was born without rhythm🤪

gatekeeper13

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Hm. You should be able to sustain with bistat food, increasing your dps. You're using Surge (should be Ward), are you not using spellpower pots? The Major Prophecy from them is noticeable. But I understand they're quite expensive. Jewelry in bloodthirsty is currently best damage, but it gets nerfed next patch, anyway. Unstable Wall is better now than Blockade.
If you know you have a low amount of light attacks in your parse, you should definitely use Crushing Shock instead of Elemental Weapons! But don't give up on improving your weaving, it comes with time. C=

2/3 jwlry are bloodthirsty. I use Potion of Spell Power. I did use Crushing Shock but got lower dps and faster magicka drain. Elemental Weapon not only gave me better dps but also helped proc Zaan like crazy.

I use Surge instead of Ward because it gives pretty good healing and Major Sorcery. (can get from potions but can't use them all the time because of cost)

Lord-Otto

Well, Elemental Weapons are better than Crushing Shock, no surprise. But only if you have good weaving. I'm surprised to see you lose dps with Crushing, your weaving can't be too bad, then.

I would try to get the timing down, it comes with practice. Not doing you favors with heavy lightnings.

Wolf81

What would newer setup look like now for petsorc? Destruction Mastery/Julianos? I'm kinda at a loss what setup gives decent magicka on top spellpower...then I have to consider crit where I used mother's sorrow currently.

Any suggestions are welcomed. I'm a big fan of petsorc play style and want to still try to push it.

FearTheRealFett

Wolf81 wrote: »

What would newer setup look like now for petsorc? Destruction Mastery/Julianos? I'm kinda at a loss what setup gives decent magicka on top spellpower...then I have to consider crit where I used mother's sorrow currently.

Any suggestions are welcomed. I'm a big fan of petsorc play style and want to still try to push it.

Maybe Moon Hunter set😖

Larcomar

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I am using 2-pet heavy attack lightning sorc on live. Necropotence + Mother's Sorrow + Maw of Infernal + non-perfected VMA fire staff on backbar. My DPS was barely changed on PTS. It went up a bit when switching out Necropotence for New Moon Acolyte. I want to try infused spell damage glyphs on jewelry, though. Also, stuff like major and minor courage now buffs pets when it did not before. I think gear changes are coming, but I also think this will work out OK. Heavy attack builds don't really need a huge magicka pool because sustain is good. So reducing max magicka and increasing spell damage is a pretty quick and easy adjustment. On 21m dummy on PTS, I averaged 44.7k max magicka and 4868 spell damage. I have never been one to run Necropotence + Crafty Alfiq + two 1-piece max mag monster pieces, though. Not sure how much those builds are hurt. To me, they seemed to sacrifice too much crit chance in a PvE meta where Shadow and War Horn are so popular.

Interesting. Maybe not so bad as the early post suggested. But given it sounds like you will need both mag and spell power, I'm wondering if I'd need to swap the mother's sorrow bit out of my necro- MS - maw set up not the necro bit. What wd necro + nma look like? Granted I've never been that impressed by MS (generally pug so run lover rather than shadow and warhorn is maybe you get it maybe you don't) but wouldn't that logically boost the pets / more.

On a side note I tried necro + crafty way back very briefly and didn't think it was that strong. Certainly not prima face stronger than ms-necro. It was v quick and dirty test, but I wondered if some sort of diminishing returns kicked in anyway.

Faulgor

Lord-Otto wrote: »

NMA wrecks your sustain, it's not a good choice. BSW would be better, but Mother's Sorrow is the clear winner on live. MS+FG easily breaches the 80k mark.
Alfiq+Necro is a PvP thing, to max shields. PvE sets typically include more crit boni and more spellpower.

I'm not sure why, but I've had less success with MS+FG than Mechanical Acuity + Necropotence. Even sustain was better (on a Dunmer) with Necropotence than with FG.
Considering Acuity got buffed slightly I think I'll keep it, but not sure what to combine it with. Necropotence seems out of the question.

Wolf81

Without toying with trial sets I think
Destruction Mastery/Julianos might inch a ahead for a petsorc build while still maintaining higher magicka but adding in a combo of crit/SP.

gatekeeper13

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, Elemental Weapons are better than Crushing Shock, no surprise. But only if you have good weaving. I'm surprised to see you lose dps with Crushing, your weaving can't be too bad, then.

I would try to get the timing down, it comes with practice. Not doing you favors with heavy lightnings.

Heavy lightnings? What's that? Tell me, I wanna know.

Faulgor wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

NMA wrecks your sustain, it's not a good choice. BSW would be better, but Mother's Sorrow is the clear winner on live. MS+FG easily breaches the 80k mark.
Alfiq+Necro is a PvP thing, to max shields. PvE sets typically include more crit boni and more spellpower.

I'm not sure why, but I've had less success with MS+FG than Mechanical Acuity + Necropotence. Even sustain was better (on a Dunmer) with Necropotence than with FG.
Considering Acuity got buffed slightly I think I'll keep it, but not sure what to combine it with. Necropotence seems out of the question.

Is mechanical acuity worth it? Wanna try it but I am running out of inventory/bank/storage space. Using MS-FG-Zaan but would like to check sth different.

Wolf81

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Well, Elemental Weapons are better than Crushing Shock, no surprise. But only if you have good weaving. I'm surprised to see you lose dps with Crushing, your weaving can't be too bad, then.

I would try to get the timing down, it comes with practice. Not doing you favors with heavy lightnings.

Heavy lightnings? What's that? Tell me, I wanna know.

Faulgor wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

NMA wrecks your sustain, it's not a good choice. BSW would be better, but Mother's Sorrow is the clear winner on live. MS+FG easily breaches the 80k mark.
Alfiq+Necro is a PvP thing, to max shields. PvE sets typically include more crit boni and more spellpower.

I'm not sure why, but I've had less success with MS+FG than Mechanical Acuity + Necropotence. Even sustain was better (on a Dunmer) with Necropotence than with FG.
Considering Acuity got buffed slightly I think I'll keep it, but not sure what to combine it with. Necropotence seems out of the question.

Is mechanical acuity worth it? Wanna try it but I am running out of inventory/bank/storage space. Using MS-FG-Zaan but would like to check sth different.

It might be worth post PTR...it was kinda left medicore after older nerfs when its RNG man. 15% chance on direct damage, now with that changing on the upcoming build it may well be more optimal.

Coatmagic

Don't actually use pets for damage; all I can say is, pet was dead A LOT on PTS and is almost NEVER dead on live.

So thanks for that ZoS.

kaisernick

Sigh no zeni this is not what some scorc wanted.

I feel like this was done because some scorc players hate using pets (myself included) but hated the fact that we felt forced to use one because without it you were doing more harm to yourself.

BUT THIS IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Faulgor

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Is mechanical acuity worth it? Wanna try it but I am running out of inventory/bank/storage space. Using MS-FG-Zaan but would like to check sth different.

For a crafted set it's surprisingly good, especially because you can front-bar it easily.
The trouble is that most other good magicka sets have at least one spell crit bonus, which is kind of wasted with acuity. That's why it paired well with Necropotence, but I'm unsure what would be a good choice now.

FearTheRealFett

Coatmagic wrote: »

Don't actually use pets for damage; all I can say is, pet was dead A LOT on PTS and is almost NEVER dead on live.

So thanks for that ZoS.

Ouch😖
So Necropotence is dead.
A dead pet has so many active and passive ramifications for our class it’s not funny.
PetSorc without the Pet isn’t even a Sorc.
At least all other classes in PVP will be happy...R.I.P

FearTheRealFett

To those who can PTS.

Does Elemental Succession have any effect with pets now? Can you test it with 4 piece then 5?

Specifically shock damage with a lighting staff if possible.

Ty🤙

Coatmagic

What was happening is that even though they lowered pet damage slightly flappy was grabbing agro as if she were taunting and because the the pet heal has been halved well ya splat - splat - splat.

Am not bothered by the lil less damage or having to heal pet more but annoyed having to get yet another addon to mind pet health and wtf are console gonna do?

FearTheRealFett

Coatmagic wrote: »

What was happening is that even though they lowered pet damage slightly flappy was grabbing agro as if she were taunting and because the the pet heal has been halved well ya splat - splat - splat.

Am not bothered by the lil less damage or having to heal pet more but annoyed having to get yet another addon to mind pet health and wtf are console gonna do?

As a former Vanilla WoW player I was really able to see the progression of addons and boy do I miss them on console.
They could lower the initial cast cost and that would help on the sustain but I’m still relatively new so not up to snuff on impacts of mechanics yet.

FearTheRealFett

FearTheRealFett wrote: »

To those who can PTS.

Does Elemental Succession have any effect with pets now? Can you test it with 4 piece then 5?

Specifically shock damage with a lighting staff if possible.

Ty🤙

Any one able to test this?

Wolf81

FearTheRealFett wrote: »

To those who can PTS.

Does Elemental Succession have any effect with pets now? Can you test it with 4 piece then 5?

Specifically shock damage with a lighting staff if possible.

Ty🤙

That is a good question..I know prior it does effect their special attack because they are shock damage, but I'm not sure now with the PTR changes and spellpower how the affects the baseline pets as being active during the proc.