No Templar self heal for tank??

PandaPalace

Templar tanks needs a hp% heal, every other class gots one. I say make Honor of the Dead or Living Dark a hp% self heal.

vinansi

I was looking for this thread- i agree with you 100% -> i would love to see "Healing Ritual" and it's Morphs a health based heal to make it finally a usable skill or as you said Living Dark to passively provide minor sorcery.
Maybe they think about this option instead of just decreasing the cost of Healing Ritual - because no one would use this skill.

Vinnie

Iron_Blurr

Change the clap heal that gives minor expedition into a tank heal. No one uses that skill anyways.

Ivan04

Breath of life already heals a tank to full even with low spell dmg. It's way overtuned, no need for a health based heal.

Synssaturdayy9

to be honest at this point i have lost hope for templars and will be quiting as soon as stone thorn releases stamina templars have yet been nerfed to the ground yet again instead of buffing them made a class that was already not great for open world pvp even worse after and took away major mending dots on jabs changing backlash burning light etc
im gonna do what my friends did and uninstall because i see no excitement or fun for this game anymore

West93

Ivan04 wrote: »

Breath of life already heals a tank to full even with low spell dmg. It's way overtuned, no need for a health based heal.

Templars have no stamina based on demand heal, while stamina wardens do, both of these classes came out as healing/support based.

Also major mending was taken away to sell warden class and templars got nothing to compensate for it.

Would be interesting to see ZOS create a rogue class and take away cloak from nightblades to sell new chapter class.

stefj68

stamplar also doesnt have self heals anymore!

DocFrost72

Ivan04 wrote: »

Breath of life already heals a tank to full even with low spell dmg. It's way overtuned, no need for a health based heal.

If your tank has 7k hp, maybe.

Aznarb

vinansi wrote: »

I was looking for this thread- i agree with you 100% -> i would love to see "Healing Ritual" and it's Morphs a health based heal to make it finally a usable skill or as you said Living Dark to passively provide minor sorcery.
Maybe they think about this option instead of just decreasing the cost of Healing Ritual - because no one would use this skill.

Vinnie

Agree, I'm a healer and I never use this spell.
So instead of being useless, give it to Tankplar, I'm 100% fine with this.

karekiz

CLAP NEVER CLAP

Agreed for the change

xaraan

I have been on this wagon for years on templar tanking and never gotten through to zos.

1st off:

Ivan04 wrote: »

Breath of life already heals a tank to full even with low spell dmg. It's way overtuned, no need for a health based heal.

No it does not, it heals for tiny numbers on my templar tank compared to my dps templar and often doesn't even hit me when I cast it. It does not fit into the category of a self heal for tanking IMO.

And let me add, clap heal is too expensive to be useful for self healing as a tank. Any repentance is too situationally useful to be considered a dependable self heal for tanking.

But onto the main topic.

I've tanked almost every bit of content in the game on every tank class and templar has by far been the weakest of the bunch. That's not to say stuff isn't do-able, b/c I've done it. So everyone that's like, "I ran this with my templar tank" can hit the pause button a second. The point is, the class isn't well balanced vs. every other class for the PVE tanking role.

They have made some changes that have helped a lot due to things added that help any tank: the stronger single target vigor, the FG healing circle or fear (which helps fill a CC gap templars have), the new immovable ability in some situations, the new silver shards 'chain pull' ability. Granted, using a lot of stam for all those things really hurts, but at least there are more options you can build around now than there used to be.

With that being said, not having a strong health based self heal really gimps them when you hold them up against other classes for tanking in PvE. My idea has always been this: Breath of Life: one morph work as it does now, the other morph becomes a health based self heal - this forces anyone playing PvP to choose between the stronger on DPS and more versatile BoL, or a selfish health based heal. Even a DD in pvp has decent health to make a health based heal strong in pvp, so giving them that plus a DPS based heal would be strong (granted, sorcs have this option with running clanny and bird, but it at least costs them 4 slots). This does offer the clap heal as a good heal still, but for a tank it is too expensive to use the same way you'd use Dragons Breath for example (and I also would completely overhaul this skill, it's always had a weird relationship to Breath of Life on templars).

In the end, it just feels like a lot more work tanking on a Templar than other classes, and I'm talking about vet HM end game raids or hardest new dungeon runs, etc. Not to be mean, but nobody really cares in balance discussions how hard or easy it is to tank dungeons that most players don't even bring tanks for. But doing downstairs on my templar in vCR+3 vs other tank classes it felt like I spent most of my time dealing with the dot damage and could offer much less help to the other players down there like I can on other classes. This is on top of already not having as much to offer a group utility wise as other classes in tank.

Sure, if your team has a fight down perfect and the healers are on the ball and never have to deal with crazy stuff from the dps doing weird stuff and can focus heal you up when needed, you'll not notice these shortcomings. But as someone that has been in some crazy runs where the group isn't polished, and you are trying to progress a HM, you want to be on a tank you feel like can deal with what gets thrown at it and templar isn't that. I've felt like I can save a run on most all of my tanks at times and really help a group recover, but on Templar my thoughts are usually "I hope this group has this fight down now and no healers go down, I hope nobody is upset I brought a class that offers no additional buffs they need, I hope not too much stuff needs chain pulled in b/c I need stam to tank, etc." We are constantly told support is about buffing the team, not just taunting and holding block or healing, but when you are on a class where your main concern is surviving at a basic level b/c of a lack of good tools and its the only class with this problem, then the class needs some adjustments.

thadjarvis

I’d rather see a huge buff to the shield.

For tanks, ritual is a solid skill. Running templar as a shield tank with HoTs seems to fit it's style best (imo).

However, the templar shield morphs are really dumb for tanks. It's simply not large enough as no block mitigation for shields does not carry over to tanking well. One morph should just drop all the damage elements and pump the shield from 30% up to >40% and extend it's duration possibly by a couple seconds. NB doesn't have a burst heal: they use Mag HoTs and Stam shields for burst. Templar can be Mag burst shields with mag & stam HoTs. Don't see a problem but that shield has to be much bigger.

Orc Templar OT wearing PA synergizes with using Viigor. Vigor always seems to be a stronger option than Honor the dead on my templar because you pump more into stamina and probably wearing Alkosh MT or as OT PA next patch.