Should Werewolf behemoth become playable?

Thevampirenight

Mixed/other reasons

As for vampire lord being possible through alchemy, it could be possible that it could be since normal vampirism can be created through alchemy. Though if it would have the same power that would be the real question. Though I can see it being exclusive to vampires of Molag Bal origin. I doubt alchemy created vampires such as Norasea would be able to take up the form of a true vampire lord.

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As for vampire lord being possible through alchemy, it could be possible that it could be since normal vampirism can be created through alchemy. Though if it would have the same power that would be the real question. Though I can see it being exclusive to vampires of Molag Bal origin. I doubt alchemy created vampires such as Norasea would be able to take up the form of a true vampire lord.

If it's simply a blood related disease like werewolf apparently is, then vamp lord could be made a common potion sadly.

Thevampirenight

Mixed/other reasons

Ryuvain wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As for vampire lord being possible through alchemy, it could be possible that it could be since normal vampirism can be created through alchemy. Though if it would have the same power that would be the real question. Though I can see it being exclusive to vampires of Molag Bal origin. I doubt alchemy created vampires such as Norasea would be able to take up the form of a true vampire lord.

If it's simply a blood related disease like werewolf apparently is, then vamp lord could be made a common potion sadly.

Werewolves also have spiritual factors to their condition that vampires don't seem to have and this is going by Azuras dialog in Oblivion. Every werewolf has this in them. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Wolf_Spirit
This is what pulls them to the hunting grounds on death.
So they are not just infected by a blood related disease this one goes deep into the soul as that is what makes it possible to become a true lycanthrope and this is caused directly by Hircine. Unlike Vampirism, which can infect intelligent humaniods, animals and plants and has multiple conflicting origins including magicial items and the curse of a wizard being one of the origins of vampires. Lycanthropy has one constant origin and that is Hircine, hence the spiritual element.

Karmanorway

No, it shouldn't be playable

NO MORE DOGS!! xD unless its strong enough to kill necros and wardens👍

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As for vampire lord being possible through alchemy, it could be possible that it could be since normal vampirism can be created through alchemy. Though if it would have the same power that would be the real question. Though I can see it being exclusive to vampires of Molag Bal origin. I doubt alchemy created vampires such as Norasea would be able to take up the form of a true vampire lord.

If it's simply a blood related disease like werewolf apparently is, then vamp lord could be made a common potion sadly.

Werewolves also have spiritual factors to their condition that vampires don't seem to have and this is going by Azuras dialog in Oblivion. Every werewolf has this in them. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Wolf_Spirit
This is what pulls them to the hunting grounds on death.
So they are not just infected by a blood related disease this one goes deep into the soul as that is what makes it possible to become a true lycanthrope and this is caused directly by Hircine. Unlike Vampirism, which can infect intelligent humaniods, animals and plants and has multiple conflicting origins including magicial items and the curse of a wizard being one of the origins of vampires. Lycanthropy has one constant origin and that is Hircine.

For the most part only higher gen vampires can become vampire lords as the bloodline thins they lose this power unless they are a unique descendant of said vampire lord.

True, but talking about their blood ties is what vamps do all the time here on online and skyrim. Harkon himself keeps going on and on about how pure his blood is and how his blood can make you stronger.

So it seems most definitely how pure the blood is, if an alchemist can get pure enough blood then a potion would be easy.

Thevampirenight

Mixed/other reasons

Ryuvain wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As for vampire lord being possible through alchemy, it could be possible that it could be since normal vampirism can be created through alchemy. Though if it would have the same power that would be the real question. Though I can see it being exclusive to vampires of Molag Bal origin. I doubt alchemy created vampires such as Norasea would be able to take up the form of a true vampire lord.

If it's simply a blood related disease like werewolf apparently is, then vamp lord could be made a common potion sadly.

Werewolves also have spiritual factors to their condition that vampires don't seem to have and this is going by Azuras dialog in Oblivion. Every werewolf has this in them. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Wolf_Spirit
This is what pulls them to the hunting grounds on death.
So they are not just infected by a blood related disease this one goes deep into the soul as that is what makes it possible to become a true lycanthrope and this is caused directly by Hircine. Unlike Vampirism, which can infect intelligent humaniods, animals and plants and has multiple conflicting origins including magicial items and the curse of a wizard being one of the origins of vampires. Lycanthropy has one constant origin and that is Hircine.

For the most part only higher gen vampires can become vampire lords as the bloodline thins they lose this power unless they are a unique descendant of said vampire lord.

True, but talking about their blood ties is what vamps do all the time here on online and skyrim. Harkon himself keeps going on and on about how pure his blood is and how his blood can make you stronger.

So it seems most definitely how pure the blood is, if an alchemist can get pure enough blood then a potion would be easy.

Well it could be possible if an alchemist got the blood of Molag Bal himself somehow.
Put it into the potion and then tested it out because that is where the power is drawn from.
Might be able to do that to create werewolf lords too only with the blood of Hircine.
But getting a Daedra to offer his own blood, I can see that being very tricky to do. If a vampire locked up a pure blood weakened them and then injected him/herself with the blood of the pure blood then it could be they can become pure blooded that way and able to take up the vampire lord form.
I don't know on it personally but it would be interesting to find out.

Zanderscotxub17_ESO

Yes, make it playable

Weird thought, why not in WW form the ultimate becomes a behemoth. So if you live/WW form long enough you have the abilities to gain ultimate still to become a behemoth. Ultimate will wipe if u become human. Same WW powers but with a 10k stat boost like scion but has a limit of 30 sec. Why 30 sec? Animation time to transform again is like 5 sec of that 30 sec just like scion and yes I believe scion needs a slight extension because of animation.

Or

Give us exclusive WW skins in crownstore.

Or

Upon each feed of a WW gain 1% increase stats but 2% dmage taken upon 20 stacks. Transform into a behmouth gaining Major beserker permantly and 10k Stats but taking a extra 25% damage from all sources. With stacks that is 65% damage from all sources.

Thevampirenight

Mixed/other reasons

Zanderscotxub17_ESO wrote: »

Weird thought, why not in WW form the ultimate becomes a behemoth. So if you live/WW form long enough you have the abilities to gain ultimate still to become a behemoth. Ultimate will wipe if u become human. Same WW powers but with a 10k stat boost like scion but has a limit of 30 sec. Why 30 sec? Animation time to transform again is like 5 sec of that 30 sec just like scion and yes I believe scion needs a slight extension because of animation.

Or

Give us exclusive WW skins in crownstore.

Or

Upon each feed of a WW gain 1% increase stats but 2% dmage taken upon 20 stacks. Transform into a behmouth gaining Major beserker permantly and 10k Stats but taking a extra 25% damage from all sources. With stacks that is 65% damage from all sources.

In game we get our Lycanthropy directly from Hircine himself. Since Hircine isn't responsible and has not ever come up with the concept of the behemoth that we know of. I think its unlikely they will ever make it so Hircine grants us this form. Lorewise Hircine will grant some special lycanthropes the ability to turn into a full wolf. Which is basically just like a normal wolf in shape.

Then there is werewolf lords which I think might have been abandoned by him as a concept. But going by whats hinted at in lore and whats being done in Stonethorn it likely wouldn't make sense at all for Hircine to give werewolves the ability to take up the behemoth form while I like the concept of the idea. But why would he grant a form that is not of his making and created as the result of mortals tinkering with the condition using alchemy to create the form?

barney2525

Thats not fat enough to be a behemoth. And it doesn't look much like a werewolf. why would a werewolf have wings?

If its a werewolf God it probably should be unique and not be available for everyone to play.

I would rather see a werewolf look like a werewolf.

IMHO

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Zanderscotxub17_ESO wrote: »

Weird thought, why not in WW form the ultimate becomes a behemoth. So if you live/WW form long enough you have the abilities to gain ultimate still to become a behemoth. Ultimate will wipe if u become human. Same WW powers but with a 10k stat boost like scion but has a limit of 30 sec. Why 30 sec? Animation time to transform again is like 5 sec of that 30 sec just like scion and yes I believe scion needs a slight extension because of animation.

Or

Give us exclusive WW skins in crownstore.

Or

Upon each feed of a WW gain 1% increase stats but 2% dmage taken upon 20 stacks. Transform into a behmouth gaining Major beserker permantly and 10k Stats but taking a extra 25% damage from all sources. With stacks that is 65% damage from all sources.

In game we get our Lycanthropy directly from Hircine himself. Since Hircine isn't responsible and has not ever come up with the concept of the behemoth that we know of. I think its unlikely they will ever make it so Hircine grants us this form. Lorewise Hircine will grant some special lycanthropes the ability to turn into a full wolf. Which is basically just like a normal wolf in shape.

Then there is werewolf lords which I think might have been abandoned by him as a concept. But going by whats hinted at in lore and whats being done in Stonethorn it likely wouldn't make sense at all for Hircine to give werewolves the ability to take up the behemoth form while I like the concept of the idea. But why would he grant a form that is not of his making and created as the result of mortals tinkering with the condition using alchemy to create the form?

True that it wasn't made completely by Hircine but for a daedric prince he's surprisingly chill. He's seen Balorgh before and didn't care, and he's been known to grant boons as well.

I think it would mostly come down to if he felt like it. Although with behemoth being so strong, I could see Hircine being highly interested in the form for being an improved hunter.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

The Berserker could probably use the Behemoth Skin but then you would need something as good for the Pack Leader, by comparison a small white wolf does not look intimidating unless they just increased the size of it.

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The Berserker could probably use the Behemoth Skin but then you would need something as good for the Pack Leader, by comparison a small white wolf does not look intimidating unless they just increased the size of it.

Tbh werewolf bosses already do that. They use the pack leader model except it's scaled up more. Just look at Hordreks hunting ground.

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

Just played the test server dungeon, and playing as them is extremely fun. In a way they also seem balanced very well since they're so slow.

They do have a leap but it uses ult and can't be spammed at all. This could easily be playable since it has clear counterplay and a long startup animation.

I'm fact, the way it's set up already acts like a 20 sec ultimate. They could literally copypaste and it would work.

MatchooW

Mixed/other reasons

I'd say yes if werewolf wasn't already the ultimate. If ww played differently and was more like vamp, like a class in itself, then behemoth could be the ultimate. As is though, no, shouldn't be playable.

redshirt_49

Yes, make it playable

Well, maybe conspiracy time here but I think it's likely we'll get a revamp of WW mechanics before the year is out, like we saw with the vampires.

TwinLamps

Yes, make it playable

sure, why not.
We need more memes for PvP
like ww behemot wielding malacath's hammer

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

MatchooW wrote: »

I'd say yes if werewolf wasn't already the ultimate. If ww played differently and was more like vamp, like a class in itself, then behemoth could be the ultimate. As is though, no, shouldn't be playable.

I was thinking it could be more of an alternate. Like you can't choose both since behemoth would also be an ultimate.