Should Werewolf behemoth become playable?

Ryuvain

Just interested in what people think about this. I've been wanting that form since it was showed off in wolfhunter.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2LHfCDh-0RM
See it at 30:58.
Looks amazing in the new twitch stream, it was the most exciting part imo.

It could be a morph that adds a cast time (non-interruptible and damage immune like blood scion) and costs more, but has added power and defenses.
Definitely buying this dlc just for that part alone.

Ruder

I think the behemot WW model is ugly and not suitable for Werewolf,
Same goes for the basic WW models, they look like a hamsters.

Nemesis7884

Yes, make it playable

Ruder wrote: »

I think the behemot WW model is ugly and not suitable for Werewolf,
Same goes for the basic WW models, they look like a hamsters.

I would like the behemoth model to become the wwolf model, at least for one of the morphs...like it much more than the existing one...

Why not have the behemoth for the berserker morph and some new smaller older grizzled veteran wolf for the pack leader

Mettaricana

Scratch that i want the faolchu model and a few skins to be a skele ww

caperb

No, it shouldn't be playable

No, the behemoth should not be playable. A behemoth is stronger than a normal werewolf, so player behemoths should be stronger too? That will make behemoths ridiculously overpowered or force werewolf into nerfs. And if not, if a behemoth has the same strength as a normal werewolf, then it would actually be a lot weaker than it should be an not live up to the expectations of people who'd like to play it.

Also, content is designed around making your own rotation and build. A pre-made skillbar will be designed to pass content without player input, one might call it easymode.

Tommy_The_Gun

Mixed/other reasons

Werewolf Behemoth as far as I know (and new DLC seems to confirm that) is not a "true" Werewolf lycanthrope. If the "curse" or "Blessing" comes from Daedra (Hircine Daedric Prince), then Werewolf behemoth is more like "artificial" creation, the result of foul dark magic.

I think ZOS could simply update how WW looks in ESO. Right now it looks like something from 2004, and tbh. even TES III Morrowind : Bloodmoon Expansion WW looked better (more like a proper wolf / human hybrid). I think the problem is mostly in how the ww head model looks. It looks nothing like wolf's head. More like a mouse or rat. If they just tweak head model then it would be waaay better.

MasterSpatula

It will be playable in the Stonegarden dungeon in the next update. But only in the dungeon.

colossalvoids

Yes, make it playable

Was surprised it wasn't on a rework for ww's, maybe an ultimate for an alchemist class in progress?

SickleCider

Yes, make it playable

Does anyone have a clip of this or know a timestamp?

Daemons_Bane

Mixed/other reasons

Maybe not the Behemoth, but the WW transformation/skin could use an overhaul.. Maybe something between what we have now and a Behemoth..

SickleCider

Yes, make it playable

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Maybe not the Behemoth, but the WW transformation/skin could use an overhaul.. Maybe something between what we have now and a Behemoth..

Though I voted yes, I also agree with this. ^

Faulgor

Mixed/other reasons

Ruder wrote: »

I think the behemot WW model is ugly and not suitable for Werewolf,
Same goes for the basic WW models, they look like a hamsters.

Agreed, werewolf behemoths don't suit the agile and furious nature of werewolves.

What they should do is use the behemoth moveset / model structure to add werebears.
They would be perfect for that slow and brutal style.

And while they're at it, polish the werewolf model.

Skullstachio

Yes, make it playable

Personally, I think we need werebears.

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

Versispellis wrote: »

Does anyone have a clip of this or know a timestamp?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2LHfCDh-0RM at 30:58.
Even has all new skills too.

ScardyFox

Mixed/other reasons

ONLY if a game mode was created around it where you could play it as a boss monster of sorts in an Arena setting.

SickleCider

Yes, make it playable

Ryuvain wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Does anyone have a clip of this or know a timestamp?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2LHfCDh-0RM at 30:58.
Even has all new skills too.

Thank you! That's really cool. I love it when they add wacky stuff like this to dungeons. It gives you incentive to run them besides kill thing, get loot.

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

ScardyFox wrote: »

ONLY if a game mode was created around it where you could play it as a boss monster of sorts in an Arena setting.

Just saying that blood scion exists. It's not the same as vamp lord but it's close enough.

Feels like werewolf simply got a numbers buff instead of aesthetic changes.

SlimeBro1

Yes, make it playable

Ryuvain wrote: »

Just interested in what people think about this. I've been wanting that form since it was showed off in wolfhunter.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2LHfCDh-0RM
See it at 30:58.
Looks amazing in the new twitch stream, it was the most exciting part imo.

It could be a morph that adds a cast time (non-interruptible and damage immune like blood scion) and costs more, but has added power and defenses.
Definitely buying this dlc just for that part alone.

If this becomes playable then vamps should be able to become vamp lords or at least have a cosmetic option. Either that or a Bloodknight skin.

tomofhyrule

Oh, I was just coming in to say werebears, but some people beat me to it.

I like the Behemoths, but I think it'd work best as a werewolf ulti morph or something. You have the standard, and then the morph could take you to a behemoth or a different morph.

tbh I'd have liked the same with vamps - standard bat swarm, and then one of the morphs be the Vampire Lord (yeah, yeah, Blood Scion, but just cut that since people are mostly thinking Lord or bust)

Not gonna happen since that'd be another full rework of either or both lines, but it'd be fun.

At least we have the Behemoth Sigil memento to play around with...

Darkenarlol

behemots, werebears, wereboars etc as a cosmetic option

warden's bear and sorc pets skins, spellcrafting, spears....

*and then i woke up*

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Oh, I was just coming in to say werebears, but some people beat me to it.

I like the Behemoths, but I think it'd work best as a werewolf ulti morph or something. You have the standard, and then the morph could take you to a behemoth or a different morph.

tbh I'd have liked the same with vamps - standard bat swarm, and then one of the morphs be the Vampire Lord (yeah, yeah, Blood Scion, but just cut that since people are mostly thinking Lord or bust)

Not gonna happen since that'd be another full rework of either or both lines, but it'd be fun.

At least we have the Behemoth Sigil memento to play around with...

This is exactly how I felt, it could work as a morph.
Bloodknights could also be a morph that used claws.
In the very least vamps have scion which is at least somewhat near what npcs get. Werewolf didn't get a thing lol.

Is anyone else kind of disturbed by how easily werewolf behemoth is simulated by alchemy? Why be a werewolf then?

Beffagorn

Yes, make it playable

Completely replacing the current model? No. It's way too big and bulky and it doesn't fit that well.

A permanent werewolf + behemoth enrage ultimate? (Basically werewolf's version of Scion/Goliath) Yeah, i'd like that. Since vampires are now more of a playstyle than just passives, i'd also like to see werewolfs become more of their own separate thing instead of just being a timed ultimate.

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

Beffagorn wrote: »

Completely replacing the current model? No. It's way too big and bulky and it doesn't fit that well.

A permanent werewolf + behemoth enrage ultimate? (Basically werewolf's version of Scion/Goliath) Yeah, i'd like that. Since vampires are now more of a playstyle than just passives, i'd also like to see werewolfs become more of their own separate thing instead of just being a timed ultimate.

I wanted werewolf to be more than just an ultimate since the beginning. Being a werewolf is something you can just forget about since it has no effects whatsoever. Fully agree there.

tomofhyrule

I'm kinda excited about this new dungeon though. I love the idea of going full Behemoth.

I tank, so I was afraid that would end up being a 'DD job,' but I think he did say that all roles will get to do it at the boss or something. But yeah, this is totally 'rule of cool'

Either that or I need to run normal so I can go crazy werewolfing it up. I wonder if I can Inner Fire it and then run back to grab the potion.

Daemons_Bane

Mixed/other reasons

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

If this becomes playable then vamps should be able to become vamp lords or at least have a cosmetic option. Either that or a Bloodknight skin.

You DID notice that you got an entirely new look already right? That's quite a big part of why the rest of us would like an update too

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

If this becomes playable then vamps should be able to become vamp lords or at least have a cosmetic option. Either that or a Bloodknight skin.

You DID notice that you got an entirely new look already right? That's quite a big part of why the rest of us would like an update too

Werewolf only has number changes really. Nothing touched on the model or any important mechanics.

Daemons_Bane

Mixed/other reasons

Ryuvain wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

If this becomes playable then vamps should be able to become vamp lords or at least have a cosmetic option. Either that or a Bloodknight skin.

You DID notice that you got an entirely new look already right? That's quite a big part of why the rest of us would like an update too

Werewolf only has number changes really. Nothing touched on the model or any important mechanics.

I was talking about vampires the guy I quoted seems to want something even grander if we get a graphical overhaul too, so I point out that vampires had an overhaul already

SlimeBro1

Yes, make it playable

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

If this becomes playable then vamps should be able to become vamp lords or at least have a cosmetic option. Either that or a Bloodknight skin.

You DID notice that you got an entirely new look already right? That's quite a big part of why the rest of us would like an update too

Werewolf only has number changes really. Nothing touched on the model or any important mechanics.

I was talking about vampires the guy I quoted seems to want something even grander if we get a graphical overhaul too, so I point out that vampires had an overhaul already

NPC werewolves already look like you, though.

I'm LITERALLY saying that "Yeah hey, let's give both lines some cosmetic ult options". And you're over here like "No, you already GOT stuff." Even though Im literally advocating for you guys to get something too. There's no reason why they can't do both.

Lol.

Werewolf Behemoth is to werewolf like Vampire Lord is to Blood Scion.

Just give both options to be either.

Ryuvain

Yes, make it playable

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

If this becomes playable then vamps should be able to become vamp lords or at least have a cosmetic option. Either that or a Bloodknight skin.

You DID notice that you got an entirely new look already right? That's quite a big part of why the rest of us would like an update too

Werewolf only has number changes really. Nothing touched on the model or any important mechanics.

I was talking about vampires the guy I quoted seems to want something even grander if we get a graphical overhaul too, so I point out that vampires had an overhaul already

Yeah I know. I'm just saying that they were updated while werewolf was untouched in any way. They need an update.

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

If this becomes playable then vamps should be able to become vamp lords or at least have a cosmetic option. Either that or a Bloodknight skin.

You DID notice that you got an entirely new look already right? That's quite a big part of why the rest of us would like an update too

Werewolf only has number changes really. Nothing touched on the model or any important mechanics.

I was talking about vampires the guy I quoted seems to want something even grander if we get a graphical overhaul too, so I point out that vampires had an overhaul already

NPC werewolves already look like you, though.

I'm LITERALLY saying that "Yeah hey, let's give both lines some cosmetic ult options". And you're over here like "No, you already GOT stuff." Even though Im literally advocating for you guys to get something too. There's no reason why they can't do both.

Lol.

Werewolf Behemoth is to werewolf like Vampire Lord is to Blood Scion.

Just give both options to be either.

I would love to look more like a vamp lord or a bloodknight. All I'm saying is that werewolf was literally untouched.

Both could've seen changes tbh.

FierceSam

No, it shouldn't be playable

Cos what we don’t need is yet another ‘big boy’ player morph....

Cameron991

Don't care

I don’t play ww so I don’t really mind either or, but if that’s what you guys would want I wouldn’t have a problem with it. However if they added ww behemoth then I feel I would need to be allowed to play as a vamp lord(team vampire)