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talking about a lackluster vampire scion look compared to npc's
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Agreed with what you said, but werewolves are even worse off. They don't even get any kind of ascended form...
The werewolf form is their transformation. I take it you want a behemoth skin and I can get behind that.
True, but that's an average werewolf. Blood scion is above your average vampire isn't it? That's what I'm getting at.
There are two differences.
First, vampirism used to be about the passives and very minor active abilities. Vamp lord was so beloved because it finally gave us a real vampire combat. Werewolves always had their werewolf combat with the transformation. Of course, ZOS screwed the formula up now with their pseudo vampire class.
Second, vamp lord was established in a TES game. The concept is already there. For a werewolf to get a supreme transformation, you gotta invent something new. Not a huge hurdle, but nevertheless, it is a bit more complicated.0 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Agreed with what you said, but werewolves are even worse off. They don't even get any kind of ascended form...
The werewolf form is their transformation. I take it you want a behemoth skin and I can get behind that.
True, but that's an average werewolf. Blood scion is above your average vampire isn't it? That's what I'm getting at.
There are two differences.
First, vampirism used to be about the passives and very minor active abilities. Vamp lord was so beloved because it finally gave us a real vampire combat. Werewolves always had their werewolf combat with the transformation. Of course, ZOS screwed the formula up now with their pseudo vampire class.
Second, vamp lord was established in a TES game. The concept is already there. For a werewolf to get a supreme transformation, you gotta invent something new. Not a huge hurdle, but nevertheless, it is a bit more complicated.
Yes I know all of that. I was there. Played Skyrim. And they already invented a higher werewolf form... Not saying that vamp didn't need an update, but that werewolf is so outdated in comparison. Not even a visual update.
Btw I play both.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Agreed with what you said, but werewolves are even worse off. They don't even get any kind of ascended form...
The werewolf form is their transformation. I take it you want a behemoth skin and I can get behind that.
True, but that's an average werewolf. Blood scion is above your average vampire isn't it? That's what I'm getting at.
There are two differences.
First, vampirism used to be about the passives and very minor active abilities. Vamp lord was so beloved because it finally gave us a real vampire combat. Werewolves always had their werewolf combat with the transformation. Of course, ZOS screwed the formula up now with their pseudo vampire class.
Second, vamp lord was established in a TES game. The concept is already there. For a werewolf to get a supreme transformation, you gotta invent something new. Not a huge hurdle, but nevertheless, it is a bit more complicated.
Yes I know all of that. I was there. Played Skyrim. And they already invented a higher werewolf form... Not saying that vamp didn't need an update, but that werewolf is so outdated in comparison. Not even a visual update.
Btw I play both.
You mean the behemoth?1 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Agreed with what you said, but werewolves are even worse off. They don't even get any kind of ascended form...
The werewolf form is their transformation. I take it you want a behemoth skin and I can get behind that.
True, but that's an average werewolf. Blood scion is above your average vampire isn't it? That's what I'm getting at.
There are two differences.
First, vampirism used to be about the passives and very minor active abilities. Vamp lord was so beloved because it finally gave us a real vampire combat. Werewolves always had their werewolf combat with the transformation. Of course, ZOS screwed the formula up now with their pseudo vampire class.
Second, vamp lord was established in a TES game. The concept is already there. For a werewolf to get a supreme transformation, you gotta invent something new. Not a huge hurdle, but nevertheless, it is a bit more complicated.
Yes I know all of that. I was there. Played Skyrim. And they already invented a higher werewolf form... Not saying that vamp didn't need an update, but that werewolf is so outdated in comparison. Not even a visual update.
Btw I play both.
You mean the behemoth?
Yeah, that's the realistic one. Werewolf lord is the strongest but hasn't been duplicated at all so far. Also it's a polymorph lol.
Behemoth is also done easily with alchemy atm, so no real excuse for our characters. We even use those potions in the newest dlc coming up.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Agreed with what you said, but werewolves are even worse off. They don't even get any kind of ascended form...
The werewolf form is their transformation. I take it you want a behemoth skin and I can get behind that.
True, but that's an average werewolf. Blood scion is above your average vampire isn't it? That's what I'm getting at.
There are two differences.
First, vampirism used to be about the passives and very minor active abilities. Vamp lord was so beloved because it finally gave us a real vampire combat. Werewolves always had their werewolf combat with the transformation. Of course, ZOS screwed the formula up now with their pseudo vampire class.
Second, vamp lord was established in a TES game. The concept is already there. For a werewolf to get a supreme transformation, you gotta invent something new. Not a huge hurdle, but nevertheless, it is a bit more complicated.
Yes I know all of that. I was there. Played Skyrim. And they already invented a higher werewolf form... Not saying that vamp didn't need an update, but that werewolf is so outdated in comparison. Not even a visual update.
Btw I play both.
You mean the behemoth?
Yeah, that's the realistic one. Werewolf lord is the strongest but hasn't been duplicated at all so far. Also it's a polymorph lol.
Behemoth is also done easily with alchemy atm, so no real excuse for our characters. We even use those potions in the newest dlc coming up.
And how do you want it to work? As just a visual? A new transformation? Something else?0 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Agreed with what you said, but werewolves are even worse off. They don't even get any kind of ascended form...
The werewolf form is their transformation. I take it you want a behemoth skin and I can get behind that.
True, but that's an average werewolf. Blood scion is above your average vampire isn't it? That's what I'm getting at.
There are two differences.
First, vampirism used to be about the passives and very minor active abilities. Vamp lord was so beloved because it finally gave us a real vampire combat. Werewolves always had their werewolf combat with the transformation. Of course, ZOS screwed the formula up now with their pseudo vampire class.
Second, vamp lord was established in a TES game. The concept is already there. For a werewolf to get a supreme transformation, you gotta invent something new. Not a huge hurdle, but nevertheless, it is a bit more complicated.
Yes I know all of that. I was there. Played Skyrim. And they already invented a higher werewolf form... Not saying that vamp didn't need an update, but that werewolf is so outdated in comparison. Not even a visual update.
Btw I play both.
You mean the behemoth?
Yeah, that's the realistic one. Werewolf lord is the strongest but hasn't been duplicated at all so far. Also it's a polymorph lol.
Behemoth is also done easily with alchemy atm, so no real excuse for our characters. We even use those potions in the newest dlc coming up.
And how do you want it to work? As just a visual? A new transformation? Something else?
Was thinking it could be a morph actually.
Costs more ult to use.
Higher defenses and health.
No leap but a short charge so it's slower.
Roar taunts enemies, kind of a tank morph?
Something like that anyway. Would be cool to have a temp tank kind of thing.
Also not looking to replace the original.Edited by Ryuvain on July 11, 2020 8:52PMThat one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Agreed with what you said, but werewolves are even worse off. They don't even get any kind of ascended form...
The werewolf form is their transformation. I take it you want a behemoth skin and I can get behind that.
True, but that's an average werewolf. Blood scion is above your average vampire isn't it? That's what I'm getting at.
There are two differences.
First, vampirism used to be about the passives and very minor active abilities. Vamp lord was so beloved because it finally gave us a real vampire combat. Werewolves always had their werewolf combat with the transformation. Of course, ZOS screwed the formula up now with their pseudo vampire class.
Second, vamp lord was established in a TES game. The concept is already there. For a werewolf to get a supreme transformation, you gotta invent something new. Not a huge hurdle, but nevertheless, it is a bit more complicated.
Yes I know all of that. I was there. Played Skyrim. And they already invented a higher werewolf form... Not saying that vamp didn't need an update, but that werewolf is so outdated in comparison. Not even a visual update.
Btw I play both.
You mean the behemoth?
Yeah, that's the realistic one. Werewolf lord is the strongest but hasn't been duplicated at all so far. Also it's a polymorph lol.
Behemoth is also done easily with alchemy atm, so no real excuse for our characters. We even use those potions in the newest dlc coming up.
And how do you want it to work? As just a visual? A new transformation? Something else?
Was thinking it could be a morph actually.
Costs more ult to use.
Higher defenses and health.
No leap but a short charge so it's slower.
Roar taunts enemies, kind of a tank morph?
Something like that anyway. Would be cool to have a temp tank kind of thing.
Also not looking to replace the original.
A morph. Sounds good!
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Rada Al Saran is likely far more powerful then Lamae Bal, he is stated to have dueled Leki in a quest in the Alik'r Desert, if you did not know Leki is a God, Lord Harkon is likely more powerful then Lamae Bal as well.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Rada Al Saran is likely far more powerful then Lamae Bal, he is stated to have dueled Leki in a quest in the Alik'r Desert, if you did not know Leki is a God, Lord Harkon is likely more powerful then Lamae Bal as well.
While this is true I don't know if we can accurately determine Lamae's true power. We don't actually see her display the vampiric power she's acquired over the years since she was turned into a vampire by Molag Bol. We've only heard stories about how she changed the nature of her bloodline and seen the power she's given us. For all we know this power could be watered down in comparison to her.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
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✭✭✭We are arguing about what something 'Looks' like?
There is another thread that uses the exact same picture, and says they want it to be available for a werewolf form.
Everyone has different opinions about what something should 'Look' like. And they are ALL legitimate.
So why are people saying 'this isn't right, that isn't right, this is what it should be, etc etc etc' as IF there was one single description that was Factual. It all opinions.
I did get a chuckle out of the person who tries to speak for Every player in the game, with the all encompassing " WE ". I know I never asked for any of that stuff. And I like the way he declares that reason Zos didn't do what he ... er ... "WE" wanted, as if it was Fact. Couldn't have been that they thought about it and decided it was a bad idea. NO. It's their stubbornness - translated - 'Its a great idea, and they know it, but they just refuse to do it' (translation IMHO).
That was funny. I always enjoy people who try to claim that their opinion IS the opinion of every player in the game.
IMHO
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✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
especially if you consider the dev's reasoning for doing such is quite wack. If it's "too rare and mystical" for us to become vamp lords, why on earth are we The Vestige? Why are we able to join the psyjic order? (Possibly an order more rare than dragons OR vamp lords)
Yup. There's simply no logical lore reason. We COULD be vampire lords. But ZOS simply chose not to let us. Didn't even allow us wings.
This is the game that we can't have cloaks because of tech issues. You really think they could handle giving us wings?
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SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
especially if you consider the dev's reasoning for doing such is quite wack. If it's "too rare and mystical" for us to become vamp lords, why on earth are we The Vestige? Why are we able to join the psyjic order? (Possibly an order more rare than dragons OR vamp lords)
Yup. There's simply no logical lore reason. We COULD be vampire lords. But ZOS simply chose not to let us. Didn't even allow us wings.
This is the game that we can't have cloaks because of tech issues. You really think they could handle giving us wings?
IMHO
Wings are on the NPC vamp lords.
Do you see cloaks on NPCs? Answer me that.
They obviously have gotten it to work with the engine.Edited by SlimeBro1 on July 12, 2020 8:24AM0 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »We are arguing about what something 'Looks' like?
There is another thread that uses the exact same picture, and says they want it to be available for a werewolf form.
Everyone has different opinions about what something should 'Look' like. And they are ALL legitimate.
So why are people saying 'this isn't right, that isn't right, this is what it should be, etc etc etc' as IF there was one single description that was Factual. It all opinions.
I did get a chuckle out of the person who tries to speak for Every player in the game, with the all encompassing " WE ". I know I never asked for any of that stuff. And I like the way he declares that reason Zos didn't do what he ... er ... "WE" wanted, as if it was Fact. Couldn't have been that they thought about it and decided it was a bad idea. NO. It's their stubbornness - translated - 'Its a great idea, and they know it, but they just refuse to do it' (translation IMHO).
That was funny. I always enjoy people who try to claim that their opinion IS the opinion of every player in the game.
IMHO
I got a chuckle out of your obvious ignorance to the "we" he was referring to was the majority here on the forum and the topic of this thread. It's a fact that most people, at least here on the forums since that is the only data we can measure, wanted either vamp lord or something completely new. Also where did he say he meant every player in the game? Oh you must be one of those that likes to put words in people's posts to come on in and sound all high and mighty. Gotcha.
Considering ZOS didn't give a reason why they didn't go with either of those options, unsurprisingly we have the right to assume it's a great idea and they know it, just didn't do it. Especially with a lot of people asking about it.
Also just because I'm petty; using your same logic, how do you know it wasn't done out of stubbornness?
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You know what they could add to the Blood Scion to make it look more unique and less like Molag Bol? Hair!
I mean seriously if they just added hair it'd look less demonic and I might even excuse the lack of wings.
Edit: Be even neater if it inherited the hair color and/or style of your character.
Apparently the power of a Vampire Lord resides in its hair, as a semblance to Molag Bal's famously lucious locks, so the inferior Blood Scion has to remain bald.
Or was that the wings? I get confused.
Side not, does anyone even use the Perfect Scion ultimate? It seems so laughably inferior. I thought it would be neat if they reduced this morph's cost drastically so you could have a higher transformation uptime with this version, so it becomes closer to Werewolves for those who were looking for that kind of playstyle with vampires.
Funny enough the Vampire Lord in Skyrim has hair, they got a ponytail, they also do not have horns, If you actually look at the Vampire Lord here it is obvious that whoever designed it used a frontal image of Lord Harkon's Vampire Lord form to create it.
I say frontal Image because it lacks the things you would not see in a frontal image such as the backbrace down the spine which is attached to the collar, the back talon on the foot, it is obvious even the flaring parts of his crown were probably mistaken for horns and the hair on the head.2 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
especially if you consider the dev's reasoning for doing such is quite wack. If it's "too rare and mystical" for us to become vamp lords, why on earth are we The Vestige? Why are we able to join the psyjic order? (Possibly an order more rare than dragons OR vamp lords)
To be fair there are probably still more Psijic order members then Vampire Lords.
It is more of a case of it being too powerful, the form may as well be in the same tier as a Demiprince so they had to give us something weaker.0 -
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✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Rada Al Saran is likely far more powerful then Lamae Bal, he is stated to have dueled Leki in a quest in the Alik'r Desert, if you did not know Leki is a God, Lord Harkon is likely more powerful then Lamae Bal as well.
Typically, older, ancient vampires are said to be more powerful in the TES universe. Lamae is the first, so this is a hint she might be the strongest. She is also unaffected by the sun, something not even Lord Harkon could claim. And her new (retcon) power of changing her bloodline is incredibly unique, another hint at her being above the rest.
And in the end, Harkon got easily bested by the Dragonborn, Saran will probably be bested by the Vestige, but Lamae... she will stay around, giving writers the possibility to give her near unlimited power, as we never have to overcome that power.3 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
especially if you consider the dev's reasoning for doing such is quite wack. If it's "too rare and mystical" for us to become vamp lords, why on earth are we The Vestige? Why are we able to join the psyjic order? (Possibly an order more rare than dragons OR vamp lords)
To be fair there are probably still more Psijic order members then Vampire Lords.
It is more of a case of it being too powerful, the form may as well be in the same tier as a Demiprince so they had to give us something weaker.
Technically speaking psijic mages are ultra powerful too though? The one in Skyrim could completely stop time. Yet they dummed down the power enough for players.
I dont think it's a case of them being too powerful. And idk man, I've fought a lot of vamp lords over the course of Greymoor so far.
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✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Rada Al Saran is likely far more powerful then Lamae Bal, he is stated to have dueled Leki in a quest in the Alik'r Desert, if you did not know Leki is a God, Lord Harkon is likely more powerful then Lamae Bal as well.
Typically, older, ancient vampires are said to be more powerful in the TES universe. Lamae is the first, so this is a hint she might be the strongest. She is also unaffected by the sun, something not even Lord Harkon could claim. And her new (retcon) power of changing her bloodline is incredibly unique, another hint at her being above the rest.
And in the end, Harkon got easily bested by the Dragonborn, Saran will probably be bested by the Vestige, but Lamae... she will stay around, giving writers the possibility to give her near unlimited power, as we never have to overcome that power.
She figured out the ultimate power: allying with the player.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
especially if you consider the dev's reasoning for doing such is quite wack. If it's "too rare and mystical" for us to become vamp lords, why on earth are we The Vestige? Why are we able to join the psyjic order? (Possibly an order more rare than dragons OR vamp lords)
To be fair there are probably still more Psijic order members then Vampire Lords.
It is more of a case of it being too powerful, the form may as well be in the same tier as a Demiprince so they had to give us something weaker.
Technically speaking psijic mages are ultra powerful too though? The one in Skyrim could completely stop time. Yet they dummed down the power enough for players.
I dont think it's a case of them being too powerful. And idk man, I've fought a lot of vamp lords over the course of Greymoor so far.
They could easily of made vampire lord player friendly tbh.
The psijic leaders do tell you that they have you do everything because them doing anything can threaten reality or something.Edited by Ryuvain on July 12, 2020 5:01PMThat one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
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✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Rada Al Saran is likely far more powerful then Lamae Bal, he is stated to have dueled Leki in a quest in the Alik'r Desert, if you did not know Leki is a God, Lord Harkon is likely more powerful then Lamae Bal as well.
Typically, older, ancient vampires are said to be more powerful in the TES universe. Lamae is the first, so this is a hint she might be the strongest. She is also unaffected by the sun, something not even Lord Harkon could claim. And her new (retcon) power of changing her bloodline is incredibly unique, another hint at her being above the rest.
And in the end, Harkon got easily bested by the Dragonborn, Saran will probably be bested by the Vestige, but Lamae... she will stay around, giving writers the possibility to give her near unlimited power, as we never have to overcome that power.
She figured out the ultimate power: allying with the player.
OP. Nerf plz!
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SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
Rada Al Saran is likely far more powerful then Lamae Bal, he is stated to have dueled Leki in a quest in the Alik'r Desert, if you did not know Leki is a God, Lord Harkon is likely more powerful then Lamae Bal as well.
Typically, older, ancient vampires are said to be more powerful in the TES universe. Lamae is the first, so this is a hint she might be the strongest. She is also unaffected by the sun, something not even Lord Harkon could claim. And her new (retcon) power of changing her bloodline is incredibly unique, another hint at her being above the rest.
And in the end, Harkon got easily bested by the Dragonborn, Saran will probably be bested by the Vestige, but Lamae... she will stay around, giving writers the possibility to give her near unlimited power, as we never have to overcome that power.
She figured out the ultimate power: allying with the player.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I think the main issue with the Blood Scion is that it looks too much like a Vampire Lord and yet it looks inferior due to being smaller and having no wings, no sane person can look at the Blood Scion and think this is "better" then a Vampire Lord which ultimately makes Lamae Bal look like a complete moron.
I believe it would better received if it looked more humanoid and less Vampire Lord-like, then at least her idea of perfection could make sense, what I would do is get rid of the form entirely and then remake it using Mephala's appearance as a base, make it keep your current appearance from the waist up but the bottom half of you would be more bestial and you were would have large bat-wings sprout from your back, this way the form would have no comparison with the Vampire Lord form and because of this it having wings would not diminish the Vampire Lord form in anyway, it would also not make the players feel like they are inferior if their form is completely different.
For reference think something like Satan from Lords of Shadow 2.
This would still miss the mark. We asked specifically for a vampire LORD and ZOS refuse out of stubbornness to give us what we asked for.
Instead they excuse Blood Scion with an arbitrary "lore" reason. Yet, vampire lords are being thrown at us by the dozens in harrowstorms. And a regular dude is transformed into a vampire lord in the story, because reasons.
We don't want and need an altered Blood Scion. Just give us what we wanted. And if ZOS' writers can't come up with a lore explanation, I'll happily do it for them. Will probably take me five minutes at best and be 100% free of Altmer stamina efficiency and stuff like that.
Who is this "we" you speak of because I sure as hell did not ask for it, maybe a solution would be to remove the Vampire Lord from the Harrowstorm, a generic Vampire lord does not make any sense at all, they are not common enough to have generic unnamed spawns and I still stand by what Lord Harkon states in dialogue, a Vampire Lord is to other Vampires what a King is to their Subjects, I mean it could be a case that this is the exact same Vampire Lord that keeps being revived everytime you kill him but then they should at least give him a name.
Perhaps a they should just teplace it with a Lich or perhaps a colossal Gargoyle that resembles a Vampire Lord, what would be wrong with an oversized Gargoyle?
"We" are the ones who asked for a vampire transformation. So apparently, not you. I can tell you this with certainty: 0% of those people asked for a temporary Molag Bal polymorph with a simple stat boost attached to it.
As for removing the lords from storms, it's too late and this certain mundane person is still easily converted with mere magic. By an inferior vampire compared to Lamae. This won't get changed and it creates the conundrum why we, the VESTIGE, get weaker powers from THE MOST POWERFUL VAMPIRE.
especially if you consider the dev's reasoning for doing such is quite wack. If it's "too rare and mystical" for us to become vamp lords, why on earth are we The Vestige? Why are we able to join the psyjic order? (Possibly an order more rare than dragons OR vamp lords)
To be fair there are probably still more Psijic order members then Vampire Lords.
It is more of a case of it being too powerful, the form may as well be in the same tier as a Demiprince so they had to give us something weaker.
Technically speaking psijic mages are ultra powerful too though? The one in Skyrim could completely stop time. Yet they dummed down the power enough for players.
I dont think it's a case of them being too powerful. And idk man, I've fought a lot of vamp lords over the course of Greymoor so far.
They could easily of made vampire lord player friendly tbh.
The psijic leaders do tell you that they have you do everything because them doing anything can threaten reality or something.
Exactly. Since Vamp Lords can't alter reality, I'm pretty sure that makes them more powerful!
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