Fennorian

spartaxoxo

The weirdly hot vampire guy from Greymoor, was he in the Rivenspire story?

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

He was not, but he is of course from the same house of vampires as the ones featured in the Rivenspire main story, House Ravenwatch.

ListerJMC

To add to that - it's implied a few times that he's related to the main House Ravenwatch character you work with in Rivenspire, Verandis, and they certainly look related. That might be what you're thinking of!

spartaxoxo

ListerJMC wrote: »

To add to that - it's implied a few times that he's related to the main House Ravenwatch character you work with in Rivenspire, Verandis, and they certainly look related. That might be what you're thinking of!

Hopefully the dlc explores that

Nairinhe

spartaxoxo wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

To add to that - it's implied a few times that he's related to the main House Ravenwatch character you work with in Rivenspire, Verandis, and they certainly look related. That might be what you're thinking of!

Hopefully the dlc explores that

Yes, more Fennorian exploration, please. Purely scholarly.

Wolf_Eye

I liked Fennorian a lot. I feel like he's a well written and likeable character. I do hope he comes back.

spartaxoxo

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

I liked Fennorian a lot. I feel like he's a well written and likeable character. I do hope he comes back.

Same. He's one of the few characters that I got legitimately upset about when I was working on his friendship achievement lol

Inaya

I loved Verandis, I keep the staff they gave me LOL! So far I haven't gotten as attached to Fenn but we shall see.

whitecrow

I was wondering about that. I remembered the other two who appear in Greymoor, but not him.

Syldras

ListerJMC wrote: »

To add to that - it's implied a few times that he's related to the main House Ravenwatch character you work with in Rivenspire, Verandis, and they certainly look related. That might be what you're thinking of!

Where did you get that from? I finished Greymoor with one char but can't remember that Fennorian ever said anything about in which way and why he belongs to Ravenwatch, let alone his relation to Verandis. I'm wondering if there maybe was something lost in translation? I never skip dialogues so it would be weird if I missed it.

Raisin

Syldras wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

To add to that - it's implied a few times that he's related to the main House Ravenwatch character you work with in Rivenspire, Verandis, and they certainly look related. That might be what you're thinking of!

Where did you get that from? I finished Greymoor with one char but can't remember that Fennorian ever said anything about in which way and why he belongs to Ravenwatch, let alone his relation to Verandis. I'm wondering if there maybe was something lost in translation? I never skip dialogues so it would be weird if I missed it.

Don't know if there's info in the game or anything more to back it up, but it was mentioned in his Meet the Character.

Syldras

@Raisin Thanks, I'll have a look!

ListerJMC

Raisin wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

To add to that - it's implied a few times that he's related to the main House Ravenwatch character you work with in Rivenspire, Verandis, and they certainly look related. That might be what you're thinking of!

Where did you get that from? I finished Greymoor with one char but can't remember that Fennorian ever said anything about in which way and why he belongs to Ravenwatch, let alone his relation to Verandis. I'm wondering if there maybe was something lost in translation? I never skip dialogues so it would be weird if I missed it.

Don't know if there's info in the game or anything more to back it up, but it was mentioned in his Meet the Character.

It's mostly from the Meet the Character, but there is a possible indication in Greymoor too:

When Fennorian is captured, Rada calls him "the deceived son of an estranged brother". Based on other things in the zone, the "estranged brother" is likely to be Verandis.

xclassgaming

ZOS should just kill him off, i will like the story line 10 times better

Syldras

I normally can't stand goody-goody types, but Fennorian actually seems okay to me.

Raisin

ListerJMC wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

To add to that - it's implied a few times that he's related to the main House Ravenwatch character you work with in Rivenspire, Verandis, and they certainly look related. That might be what you're thinking of!

Where did you get that from? I finished Greymoor with one char but can't remember that Fennorian ever said anything about in which way and why he belongs to Ravenwatch, let alone his relation to Verandis. I'm wondering if there maybe was something lost in translation? I never skip dialogues so it would be weird if I missed it.

Don't know if there's info in the game or anything more to back it up, but it was mentioned in his Meet the Character.

It's mostly from the Meet the Character, but there is a possible indication in Greymoor too:

When Fennorian is captured, Rada calls him "the deceived son of an estranged brother". Based on other things in the zone, the "estranged brother" is likely to be Verandis.

To be fair though, that seems to be more indicative of the type of relationship they have, rather than blood relations. As stated in the Meet the Character, they portray a father/son relationship, but are unlikely to be that closely related by blood. That part I think makes any possible hint on the topic incredibly vague. You never know if someone has inside knowledge on their blood relations vs if someone is aware of their pseudo-adoptive bond.

Wolf_Eye

xclassgaming wrote: »

ZOS should just kill him off, i will like the story line 10 times better

Please don't

Wolf_Eye

Syldras wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

To add to that - it's implied a few times that he's related to the main House Ravenwatch character you work with in Rivenspire, Verandis, and they certainly look related. That might be what you're thinking of!

Where did you get that from? I finished Greymoor with one char but can't remember that Fennorian ever said anything about in which way and why he belongs to Ravenwatch, let alone his relation to Verandis. I'm wondering if there maybe was something lost in translation? I never skip dialogues so it would be weird if I missed it.

Actually. I noticed that if you do the quest for Unhallowed Grave (and meet him there), and then do Greymoor, he never once mentions that he's with House Ravenwatch.

If you don't do Unhallowed Grave before meeting him in Greymoor, he does indeed mention he's with House Ravenwatch.

And if you started a character and meet him in the prologue, he says right off the bat that he's with House Ravenwatch.

Considering that many MANY people are likely to do Unhallowed Grave and then Greymoor, this is a very peculiar omission and I have to think it was a mistake. That, perhaps, he was supposed to make mention of his Ravenwatch connection while in Unhallowed Grave and they just forgot to put the dialogue in. Because if you do Unhallowed Grave and then Greymoor, you yourself in dialogue mention to Lyris that he's with House Ravenwatch even though he's never once mentioned it to you.

Nairinhe

xclassgaming wrote: »

ZOS should just kill him off, i will like the story line 10 times better

Thanks, but my main has more than enough friends who are dead, in another realm or MIA. Enough!

Wolf_Eye

Nairinhe wrote: »

xclassgaming wrote: »

ZOS should just kill him off, i will like the story line 10 times better

Thanks, but my main has more than enough friends who are dead, in another realm or MIA. Enough!

Plus, Greymoor already has enough edginess with all the vampires, werewolves, and witches roaming around. Falmer and Chaurus too! And most of it set underneath the shadow of the Dwemer, a race that mysteriously disappeared for reasons unknown, leaving their metal pet projects behind.

ListerJMC

Raisin wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

To add to that - it's implied a few times that he's related to the main House Ravenwatch character you work with in Rivenspire, Verandis, and they certainly look related. That might be what you're thinking of!

Where did you get that from? I finished Greymoor with one char but can't remember that Fennorian ever said anything about in which way and why he belongs to Ravenwatch, let alone his relation to Verandis. I'm wondering if there maybe was something lost in translation? I never skip dialogues so it would be weird if I missed it.

Don't know if there's info in the game or anything more to back it up, but it was mentioned in his Meet the Character.

It's mostly from the Meet the Character, but there is a possible indication in Greymoor too:

When Fennorian is captured, Rada calls him "the deceived son of an estranged brother". Based on other things in the zone, the "estranged brother" is likely to be Verandis.

To be fair though, that seems to be more indicative of the type of relationship they have, rather than blood relations. As stated in the Meet the Character, they portray a father/son relationship, but are unlikely to be that closely related by blood. That part I think makes any possible hint on the topic incredibly vague. You never know if someone has inside knowledge on their blood relations vs if someone is aware of their pseudo-adoptive bond.

It could just be the type of relationship, which is why I said potential. The blood relationship is based on a theory a number of people have come to that

Verandis is the unnamed 13th Exarch of the Gray Host, and Rada needed something of his DNA to bring him back since he has no ashes like the others - so that's what he took from Fennorian.

The author of the Meet the Character does think they are related though - not father and son, but several generations apart. I expect we'll know for sure later in the year.

ListerJMC

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

To add to that - it's implied a few times that he's related to the main House Ravenwatch character you work with in Rivenspire, Verandis, and they certainly look related. That might be what you're thinking of!

Where did you get that from? I finished Greymoor with one char but can't remember that Fennorian ever said anything about in which way and why he belongs to Ravenwatch, let alone his relation to Verandis. I'm wondering if there maybe was something lost in translation? I never skip dialogues so it would be weird if I missed it.

Actually. I noticed that if you do the quest for Unhallowed Grave (and meet him there), and then do Greymoor, he never once mentions that he's with House Ravenwatch.

If you don't do Unhallowed Grave before meeting him in Greymoor, he does indeed mention he's with House Ravenwatch.

And if you started a character and meet him in the prologue, he says right off the bat that he's with House Ravenwatch.

Considering that many MANY people are likely to do Unhallowed Grave and then Greymoor, this is a very peculiar omission and I have to think it was a mistake. That, perhaps, he was supposed to make mention of his Ravenwatch connection while in Unhallowed Grave and they just forgot to put the dialogue in. Because if you do Unhallowed Grave and then Greymoor, you yourself in dialogue mention to Lyris that he's with House Ravenwatch even though he's never once mentioned it to you.

I noticed this too and feedbacked it on PTS but it made it to Live. I think it was supposed to be a surprise in Greymoor that he was from House Ravenwatch? But that dialogue was cut if you did Unhallowed Grave for some reason.

I'm also not sure why a character who has done Rivenspire acts as though they have no idea what the House is.

Nareya726

ListerJMC wrote: »

I'm also not sure why a character who has done Rivenspire acts as though they have no idea what the House is.

That sort of dialogue seemed to come up a lot in Greymoor and maybe it's a nitpick, but I found it annoying how my character who's played through all the previous content had to act dumb.

spartaxoxo

Nareya726 wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

I'm also not sure why a character who has done Rivenspire acts as though they have no idea what the House is.

That sort of dialogue seemed to come up a lot in Greymoor and maybe it's a nitpick, but I found it annoying how my character who's played through all the previous content had to act dumb.

Yeah. Hey Gwendis! Long time no see. What's house ravenwatch again?

Syldras

I have the impression that the Greymoor dialogues genereally aren't every adjusted to your char. There's not only no differenciation whether you already have done certain quests before or not, but also there aren't many dialogue differences whether your char is a vampire or not. Or am I wrong? I have completed the whole thing with a non-vampire char and by now have maybe reached the first quarter with a vampire, and all I can remember is one small dialogue option where you can say something like "But I'm a vampire too". Nothing more. Or does that get better later?

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

Greymoor already has enough edginess with all the vampires, werewolves, and witches roaming around.

I'm wondering why vampires (and werewolves) are considered edgy nowadays? I've read that several times, so I'm just curios (Or maybe I get the term "edgy" wrong, because I'm not a native English speaker?) I personally consider them century-old myth creatures, and historically, people really were afraid of them. Also, their peak in literature was in the 19th century, with great novels that have become classics today. Carmilla by Sheridan Le Fanu, Bram Stoker's Dracula, The Vampyre by John Polidori... I find the vampire subject quite classy, actually.

Ryuvain

Syldras wrote: »

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

Greymoor already has enough edginess with all the vampires, werewolves, and witches roaming around.

I'm wondering why vampires (and werewolves) are considered edgy nowadays?

I was about to quote this lol. Maybe he just meant the story tones? Vamps are always a little edgy but werewolves are outsiders you don't see much. Aren't witches just another name for sorcerers/spellcasters?

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Darien, Naryu, Raz... And now Fennorian.

The four horsemen have gathered.

Raisin

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Darien, Naryu, Raz... And now Fennorian.

The four horsemen have gathered.

Naryu - Death
Fennorian - Famine
Darien - War
Raz.... Pestilence?

(Vampirism leads itself into Pestilence as it's a disease. But not sure about Raz and Famine either. I guess all of these are Famine when it comes to instilling players with thirst.....)

Nomadic_Atmoran

Syldras wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

To add to that - it's implied a few times that he's related to the main House Ravenwatch character you work with in Rivenspire, Verandis, and they certainly look related. That might be what you're thinking of!

Where did you get that from? I finished Greymoor with one char but can't remember that Fennorian ever said anything about in which way and why he belongs to Ravenwatch, let alone his relation to Verandis. I'm wondering if there maybe was something lost in translation? I never skip dialogues so it would be weird if I missed it.

There isn't any as far as I'm aware. Theres even a write up by ZOS prior to Greymoors release in Meet the Character that completely explains that he is not related to Verandis but is just another stray he brought in out of the rain.

Wolf_Eye

Ryuvain wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

Greymoor already has enough edginess with all the vampires, werewolves, and witches roaming around.

I'm wondering why vampires (and werewolves) are considered edgy nowadays?

I was about to quote this lol. Maybe he just meant the story tones? Vamps are always a little edgy but werewolves are outsiders you don't see much. Aren't witches just another name for sorcerers/spellcasters?

Syldras wrote: »

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

Greymoor already has enough edginess with all the vampires, werewolves, and witches roaming around.

I'm wondering why vampires (and werewolves) are considered edgy nowadays? I've read that several times, so I'm just curios (Or maybe I get the term "edgy" wrong, because I'm not a native English speaker?) I personally consider them century-old myth creatures, and historically, people really were afraid of them. Also, their peak in literature was in the 19th century, with great novels that have become classics today. Carmilla by Sheridan Le Fanu, Bram Stoker's Dracula, The Vampyre by John Polidori... I find the vampire subject quite classy, actually.

Ah, I'm using edgy as in the informal word for "excessively dark and depressing". This is more of the Urban dictionary version of this word. It's the version of this word that I grew up with as a teen, so it's kind of what I know it by.

And compared to other zones, like Elsweyr, Summerset, even Murkmire, Greymoor is definitely a LOT more dark and depressing (at least, the Blackreach portion of it. Not so much Solitude and the likes).

Torture chambers, the Vampire Feeding grounds, all of the experiments that the Vampires are doing on other creatures....The only zone that comes close to the same things is Coldharbour (and with good reason, since it's Molag Bal's torture playground. Coldharbour would also be considered "edgy" in my book, except for the main town area).

So while vampires per se may not "dark and depressing", the way that the Gray Host vampires are depicted in Greymoor is DEFINITELY dark and depressing.

As for the witches, holy cow, the amount of dark and depressing stuff they do during the Harrowstorms is drastically different compared to previous dolmens. I know in the regular dolmens, you see the worm cult sacrificing an innocent life, but here it's even worse: You can INTERACT with the three NPCs right before they're freaking sacrificed, and you not only get to see what happens to them (they get turned into witch pikes) but you then have to DESTROY THEM YOURSELF just to defeat the Harrowstorm. I mean, that's pretty dark in my opinion. Not to mention all of the taunting the witch does as she's leading lost souls to sacrifice them to the pikes. And the whole reason she's doing this is

so that she can gather life energy to bring back dead soldiers of the Gray Host. Gathering life energy is pretty dang dark compared to Dragons or sea serpents

You're right about the werewolves though. Werewolves in Greymoor

do not seem very destructive or dark. But the things that the Greymoor vamps do to them, the experiments, seems to make up for that in terms of edginess...darkness

Ryuvain wrote: »

Maybe he just meant the story tones?

There is no way you could have known this, but for the sake of this conversation (so I do not get confused), "she". Unless you are referring to someone else? If so, my apologies.

spartaxoxo

@Nomadic_Atmoran

Actually they hint that he's related to Verandis in some way.

I don’t think Verandis sired him, but I do get the impression that they are related in some way. Given how old the count actually is, I’m assuming that Fennorian is a distant descendant of some sort. Whatever the truth of all that, the young man and the count clearly share a special bond. Verandis is his father in every way that counts, and Fennorian is his son.