Torc Of Tonal Constancy (impressions so far)

StarOfElyon

I've been using the Torc for a few hours. I didn't expect it to make a huge difference in my build but I did expect the effects to be more noticeable.

My main character is an Altmer magplar. I don't have high enough magicka to get much use out of damage shields so I play the class athletically (meaning I sprint and dodge-roll a lot). Because of my playstyle, I've had to build for stamina a bit. I use tri-stat glyphs on armor and triune traits on jewelry. I can proc the Torc but the sad part is that when I need stamina, I'm getting magicka regen. When I need magicka, I'm getting stamina (which is still helpful because I can at least try to get out of danger.) I'm probably stating the obvious.

Anyway, just my first impressions: the Torc is really underwhelming and not worth the grind (unless you can convert stamina into magicka or vise versa).

Stx

I feel like the torc is one of those items you need to build around, and if you do it will be ridiculously powerful.

I use it on my stamsorc who is also a werewolf, and my goal while playing is to keep both pools below 50% and often times I dont have to try, it just happens, and this one item is providing me like 1300 combined regen.

I have not used it on a nightblade but I can only imagine how good it would be on a stamblade who needs to use cloak often.

jaws343

I really want to try it out on my mag sorc in PVP, paired with Eternal Vigor and Bright Throat's. Get a ton of sustain. Which I have found to work really well on a Mag Sorc. Used to run Kags and Alteration Mastery to great effect and this combo is even better than that.

Kittytravel

Personally I feel like the torcs effects would be fine even if they made it trigger on it's own pools granting stam recovery and magicka recovery to the pool while it's low rather than the reverse.

Taking a hit on damage to instead have really high recovery can be worth it to the right player but they will typically be beat out by those who can naturally resource manage and put all their set bonuses into pure damage rather than sustain.

To me the Torc is underwhelming because they already have so many issues making hybrid builds worthwhile and very few classes naturally use both stat pools in a way that makes torc worth taking over any other set bonus.

Crash427

Shhhhh. Don't give away the secret. But yes, its absolutely perfect for NBs. It takes a minute to get the hang of proccing it on purpose, but once you do it can work really well.

And I wouldn't run it with bright throat, that would be so overkill unless you're running a purge spammer or something.

Fawn4287

It works absolute wonders on a magsorc and I would think on a stamblade and stamsorc anything that heavily uses the opposite pool for something other than buffs is going to benefit greatly, combined with spring loaded infusion you can roll, block and run on a magbuild like its stam

Aleinzzs

best thing in a long time for stamblade. even if i get broken out of stealth due to desync aoe's i can constantly roll, block stealth, and turn and burn.

AinSoph

the Torc is really underwhelming and not worth the grind (unless you can convert stamina into magicka or vise versa).

This is THE item for StamSorcs in pvp

Aedrion

AinSoph wrote: »

the Torc is really underwhelming and not worth the grind (unless you can convert stamina into magicka or vise versa).

This is THE item for StamSorcs in pvp

Yes, like Malacath's is for other classes. I hate this. It's Pay2Win

MashmalloMan

Aedrion wrote: »

AinSoph wrote: »

the Torc is really underwhelming and not worth the grind (unless you can convert stamina into magicka or vise versa).

This is THE item for StamSorcs in pvp

Yes, like Malacath's is for other classes. I hate this. It's Pay2Win

Why would you hate variety in sets? We actually need more instances of sets like this in the game instead of 1 set fits all. It's extremely boring, it's the only reason I'm not trying to argue for Malacath to crit, but make crit damage = 1, because it's interesting that it doesn't work for every class.

Elf Bane and Mag DK for example. Great design.

YandereGirlfriend

My definition of "Pay2Win" is literally that: using real-world money to pay for results in a game, usually by bypassing the gameplay ordinarily required to achieve them. That would be like being able to buy Godslayer*, Flawless Conqueror or Grand Overlord directly from ZOS, which is a completely different animal than what we are talking about with an expansion.

Expansions happen all the time and, for them to be worth buying, they should contain items that are useful (which means "BiS for something") for at least a subset of players, but preferably most players because it's awful to be stuck with the same gear setup for years at a time (...all magDPS know what I'm talking about).

And even bracketing all of that, you just can't effectively "Pay2Win" in PvP because individual player skill almost always gets the last laugh.

*You can buy a carry indirectly with money but that's not what I'm talking about.

katorga

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

My definition of "Pay2Win" is literally that: using real-world money to pay for results in a game, usually by bypassing the gameplay ordinarily required to achieve them. That would be like being able to buy Godslayer*, Flawless Conqueror or Grand Overlord directly from ZOS, which is a completely different animal than what we are talking about with an expansion.

Expansions happen all the time and, for them to be worth buying, they should contain items that are useful (which means "BiS for something") for at least a subset of players, but preferably most players because it's awful to be stuck with the same gear setup for years at a time (...all magDPS know what I'm talking about).

And even bracketing all of that, you just can't effectively "Pay2Win" in PvP because individual player skill almost always gets the last laugh.

*You can buy a carry indirectly with money but that's not what I'm talking about.

Expansions are not pay to win. EverQuest the grandfather of all modern mmo's, had 26 expansions over 20 years, and if you didn't buy them you did not keep up. That simple. Pay2Win would be something being able to buy or rent end game gear in the cash shop, or buy fully levelled and equipped characters (close to what you can today buying skill lines and shards in the cash shop).

StarOfElyon

Aedrion wrote: »

AinSoph wrote: »

the Torc is really underwhelming and not worth the grind (unless you can convert stamina into magicka or vise versa).

This is THE item for StamSorcs in pvp

Yes, like Malacath's is for other classes. I hate this. It's Pay2Win

Maybe not pay to win. "Pay for advantage", maybe.

Stx

You have very odd definitions of pay to win. If you dont buy the latest wow expansion, you wont be as powerful as players that do. Is that also pay to win?

Pay to win would be if they added mythic items to the crown store but you couldn't earn them in game.

YandereGirlfriend

katorga wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

My definition of "Pay2Win" is literally that: using real-world money to pay for results in a game, usually by bypassing the gameplay ordinarily required to achieve them. That would be like being able to buy Godslayer*, Flawless Conqueror or Grand Overlord directly from ZOS, which is a completely different animal than what we are talking about with an expansion.

Expansions happen all the time and, for them to be worth buying, they should contain items that are useful (which means "BiS for something") for at least a subset of players, but preferably most players because it's awful to be stuck with the same gear setup for years at a time (...all magDPS know what I'm talking about).

And even bracketing all of that, you just can't effectively "Pay2Win" in PvP because individual player skill almost always gets the last laugh.

*You can buy a carry indirectly with money but that's not what I'm talking about.

Expansions are not pay to win. EverQuest the grandfather of all modern mmo's, had 26 expansions over 20 years, and if you didn't buy them you did not keep up. That simple. Pay2Win would be something being able to buy or rent end game gear in the cash shop, or buy fully levelled and equipped characters (close to what you can today buying skill lines and shards in the cash shop).

I think you replied to the wrong person.

SG_Celerrimus

I was looking in to getting this for my necro tank because I use both Stam and Mag frequently, and I was wondering how it was for that. I am interested to see that its also good for stamsorc and stamblade. I have both, and am curious what build for stamsorc is using it because I primarily use stam on my stamsorc, dont see where the magicka would factor in. Same with stamblade.

Stx

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

I was looking in to getting this for my necro tank because I use both Stam and Mag frequently, and I was wondering how it was for that. I am interested to see that its also good for stamsorc and stamblade. I have both, and am curious what build for stamsorc is using it because I primarily use stam on my stamsorc, dont see where the magicka would factor in. Same with stamblade.

Stam sorc uses critical surge, dark deal, and streak liberally. Nightblade uses shade, and cloak frequently. In pvp that is. Torc isnt going to be used in pve very often I wouldnt think.

On a tank build the torc may get some use... however, tanks dont regenerate stamina while blocking, so you may not utilize it's full potential.

Kadoin

Don't forget archmage, grundwulf, et. al. got dumped on for that Torc. You have to enjoy it otherwise the nerfs would make no sense! You have to!

Tell me that you love it, ...please...?

hakan

Kadoin wrote: »

Don't forget archmage, grundwulf, et. al. got dumped on for that Torc. You have to enjoy it otherwise the nerfs would make no sense! You have to!

Tell me that you love it, ...please...?

doesnt make sense. grund for pve. this is for pvp. and both are paid content too.

BXR_Lonestar

Seems like it could be pretty useful on a tank that utilizes both stam and magika abilities?

Dracane

You complain that you struggle to meet the proc requirements. Which means you already never run out of ressources ever, you are divine and unbeatable since you do not even fall below 50%.

Please. The Torc is crazy and like most mythicals, best in no cp pvp. If your ressource pools are so endless, then why bother?

StarOfElyon

Dracane wrote: »

You complain that you struggle to meet the proc requirements. Which means you already never run out of ressources ever, you are divine and unbeatable since you do not even fall below 50%.

Please. The Torc is crazy and like most mythicals, best in no cp pvp. If your ressource pools are so endless, then why bother?

I don't know who you're talking to but my resource pools aren't infinite. No, I run out a lot. The problem is that I run out of both at the same time or I run out of the resource that I need the most. The torc is good if you occasionally have to dip into the secondary resource pool. But if you are like me and constantly draining both, it's not good.

Dracane

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You complain that you struggle to meet the proc requirements. Which means you already never run out of ressources ever, you are divine and unbeatable since you do not even fall below 50%.

Please. The Torc is crazy and like most mythicals, best in no cp pvp. If your ressource pools are so endless, then why bother?

I don't know who you're talking to but my resource pools aren't infinite. No, I run out a lot. The problem is that I run out of both at the same time or I run out of the resource that I need the most. The torc is good if you occasionally have to dip into the secondary resource pool. But if you are like me and constantly draining both, it's not good.

I do not understand you. As a stamina build you have your magicka dumps to stress your magicka pool and your dodging and abilities ensure your stamina gets stressed.

As a magicka build you can barely break free and dodge once and your stamina is already below 50%. And our abilities are outrageously expensive, so it should not be a problem to have your magicka low as well. I do not understand how you can have trouble staying below 50% in any ressources. You can never dodge too often in pvp and you can never use too few abilities. And if, as you say, you run out of both, then... good? Means the necklace buff will be active all the time.

Really strange thread all together.

StarOfElyon

Dracane wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You complain that you struggle to meet the proc requirements. Which means you already never run out of ressources ever, you are divine and unbeatable since you do not even fall below 50%.

Please. The Torc is crazy and like most mythicals, best in no cp pvp. If your ressource pools are so endless, then why bother?

I don't know who you're talking to but my resource pools aren't infinite. No, I run out a lot. The problem is that I run out of both at the same time or I run out of the resource that I need the most. The torc is good if you occasionally have to dip into the secondary resource pool. But if you are like me and constantly draining both, it's not good.

I do not understand you. As a stamina build you have your magicka dumps to stress your magicka pool and your dodging and abilities ensure your stamina gets stressed.

As a magicka build you can barely break free and dodge once and your stamina is already below 50%. And our abilities are outrageously expensive, so it should not be a problem to have your magicka low as well. I do not understand how you can have trouble staying below 50% in any ressources. You can never dodge too often in pvp and you can never use too few abilities. And if, as you say, you run out of both, then... good? Means the necklace buff will be active all the time.

Really strange thread all together.

It's not strange if I'm describing something that is actually happening. I get locked down, I break free. Guess what: I need more stamina regen in that moment (but magicka is being buffed). It's like a see-saw. When one get's low, the other goes up. The torc doesn't help to keep them both up at the same time.

Stx

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You complain that you struggle to meet the proc requirements. Which means you already never run out of ressources ever, you are divine and unbeatable since you do not even fall below 50%.

Please. The Torc is crazy and like most mythicals, best in no cp pvp. If your ressource pools are so endless, then why bother?

I don't know who you're talking to but my resource pools aren't infinite. No, I run out a lot. The problem is that I run out of both at the same time or I run out of the resource that I need the most. The torc is good if you occasionally have to dip into the secondary resource pool. But if you are like me and constantly draining both, it's not good.

I do not understand you. As a stamina build you have your magicka dumps to stress your magicka pool and your dodging and abilities ensure your stamina gets stressed.

As a magicka build you can barely break free and dodge once and your stamina is already below 50%. And our abilities are outrageously expensive, so it should not be a problem to have your magicka low as well. I do not understand how you can have trouble staying below 50% in any ressources. You can never dodge too often in pvp and you can never use too few abilities. And if, as you say, you run out of both, then... good? Means the necklace buff will be active all the time.

Really strange thread all together.

It's not strange if I'm describing something that is actually happening. I get locked down, I break free. Guess what: I need more stamina regen in that moment (but magicka is being buffed). It's like a see-saw. When one get's low, the other goes up. The torc doesn't help to keep them both up at the same time.

It does if you're constantly using both. In the example you gave, you are topped on one resource, which would only happen at the beginning of a fight and even then, the issue wouldn't be regen it would be max stats.

Torc works wonders on builds like stamblade or stamsorc where your defense relies not only on dodge and vigor but also cloak and streak.

My personal favorite for torc is werewolf. Because as a wolf your stamina tanks very fast, and your main heal costs magicka. Torc is phenomenal for wolves.

StarOfElyon

Stx wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

You complain that you struggle to meet the proc requirements. Which means you already never run out of ressources ever, you are divine and unbeatable since you do not even fall below 50%.

Please. The Torc is crazy and like most mythicals, best in no cp pvp. If your ressource pools are so endless, then why bother?

I don't know who you're talking to but my resource pools aren't infinite. No, I run out a lot. The problem is that I run out of both at the same time or I run out of the resource that I need the most. The torc is good if you occasionally have to dip into the secondary resource pool. But if you are like me and constantly draining both, it's not good.

I do not understand you. As a stamina build you have your magicka dumps to stress your magicka pool and your dodging and abilities ensure your stamina gets stressed.

As a magicka build you can barely break free and dodge once and your stamina is already below 50%. And our abilities are outrageously expensive, so it should not be a problem to have your magicka low as well. I do not understand how you can have trouble staying below 50% in any ressources. You can never dodge too often in pvp and you can never use too few abilities. And if, as you say, you run out of both, then... good? Means the necklace buff will be active all the time.

Really strange thread all together.

It's not strange if I'm describing something that is actually happening. I get locked down, I break free. Guess what: I need more stamina regen in that moment (but magicka is being buffed). It's like a see-saw. When one get's low, the other goes up. The torc doesn't help to keep them both up at the same time.

It does if you're constantly using both. In the example you gave, you are topped on one resource, which would only happen at the beginning of a fight and even then, the issue wouldn't be regen it would be max stats.

Torc works wonders on builds like stamblade or stamsorc where your defense relies not only on dodge and vigor but also cloak and streak.

My personal favorite for torc is werewolf. Because as a wolf your stamina tanks very fast, and your main heal costs magicka. Torc is phenomenal for wolves.

Yeah, it sounds great for some classes.

Fur_like_snow

I’m stuck on the last lead in craglorn four days and counting. This mythic sounds great for a stam sorc.

StarOfElyon

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

I’m stuck on the last lead in craglorn four days and counting. This mythic sounds great for a stam sorc.

Just check along the borders of each of the three areas surrounding that big pillar. The dig spots are away from the mobs, tucked behind rocks.

Psijic42

The torc is absolutely amazing on pve tanking.
It’s both easy and purposeful to proc. As a tank you’re often spamming magicka skills, like heals and buffs, and/or it really encourages you to block on your back at ice staff.
When you’re blocking on ice staff your stamina does regenerate, unlike blocking on sword&board. So while blocking and casting on ice staff your stamina regenerates back really fast. You can almost permablock by simply going back and forth between blocking with stam and blocking with magicka.
Trust me, try it out, the torc is really really good for tanking and it adds a very fun mechanic that encourages you to keep spending mana. It’s super fun.

CaptainKöfte91

the torc drops at any anka ra spots

Mayrael

Two questions about this item, because I didn't bothered to get it yet.


1. When you have both pools above 50% it doesnt give anything?
2. When you have both pools below 50% it buffs both of them?