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Don't throw away cowards gear
Augusten15
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I'm still relatively new to ESO and don't have much to contribute in contrast to the wealth of knowledge people on here have acquired but I wanted to share this trick for completing the dreaded skyshard runs/psijic quests/gathering.
Using the 5 piece bonus of cowards gear (acquired from completing BGs) for major expedition while sprinting combined with stage 4 vampirism allows for easy cross zone running. No getting snared, demounted, and you can even breeze through delves for those skyshards. If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
This may be common knowledge but I figure it may speed up the traveling process required for full character optimization for someone out there.
Using the 5 piece bonus of cowards gear (acquired from completing BGs) for major expedition while sprinting combined with stage 4 vampirism allows for easy cross zone running. No getting snared, demounted, and you can even breeze through delves for those skyshards. If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
This may be common knowledge but I figure it may speed up the traveling process required for full character optimization for someone out there.
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Augusten15 wrote: »If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
my apologies but that is simply not true.
concealed weapon movement bonus only applies to sneaking and you must be in sneak Completely and Crouched for it to take effect.
while the movement speed for cowards gear only applies to standing and running and completely standing.
they cannot stack because they are different movement bonus that appose eachother in stances.
Edited by Gilvoth on June 18, 2020 12:52AM15 -
Zenzuki✭✭✭✭✭Don't forget the mythic "Ring of the Wild Hunt".
It boosts out of combat speed another 45%!
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✭i use cowards now but will dump it once i get the ring. If i get into unwanted combat i will flash rapid maneuversEdited by volkeswagon on June 18, 2020 1:00AM2 -
Zenzuki✭✭✭✭✭The ring will stack and will help get you to the cap.
But yes, there is a speed cap and can be reached in a number of ways.Can Open...
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Mortiis13✭✭✭✭Augusten15 wrote: »If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
my apologies but that is simply not true.
concealed weapon movement bonus only applies to sneaking and you must be in sneak Completely and Crouched for it to take effect.
while the movement speed for cowards gear only applies to standing and running and completely standing.
they cannot stack because they are different movement bonus that appose eachother in stances.Concealed weapon works “while sneaking or invisible”. No crouching necessary.
It should stack, only exception would be vampire sprint wouldnt handled as regular "invisible".
Some1 can test it? My magblade isn't a vampire.
Also is it handled addative or multiplacativ?1 -
tsaescishoeshiner✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Augusten15 wrote: »If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
my apologies but that is simply not true.
concealed weapon movement bonus only applies to sneaking and you must be in sneak Completely and Crouched for it to take effect.
while the movement speed for cowards gear only applies to standing and running and completely standing.
they cannot stack because they are different movement bonus that appose eachother in stances.Concealed weapon works “while sneaking or invisible”. No crouching necessary.
It should stack, only exception would be vampire sprint wouldnt handled as regular "invisible".
Some1 can test it? My magblade isn't a vampire.
Also is it handled addative or multiplacativ?
Concealed Blade works while you're not sneaking; you can also be invisible. Source: have played magblade for years with builds based on Concealed Weapon
All movement speed bonuses are additive, and capped at +100% movement speed.
Sprint: +40%
Coward's Gear: +30%
Concealed Weapon: +25%
Total: +95%
Medium armor Sprint bonus is +3% per piece, so 5 pieces Medium Armor + Steed Stone (15% with all Divines armor) would get you to +100% without Concealed Weapon
Edit: typoEdited by tsaescishoeshiner on June 18, 2020 11:36AMPC-NA
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finehair✭✭✭✭I used to run this on my PvP stamsorc for some joke build. I would run through breaches with ball of lightning and make people chase me around the keep. Fun times 10/10 would do it again.1
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Everstorm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Augusten15 wrote: »If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
my apologies but that is simply not true.
concealed weapon movement bonus only applies to sneaking and you must be in sneak Completely and Crouched for it to take effect.
while the movement speed for cowards gear only applies to standing and running and completely standing.
they cannot stack because they are different movement bonus that appose eachother in stances.
It works. Easy to check just by swapping bars with and without it slotted. It's noticeable faster.0 -
Fur_like_snow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah concealed weapon works with cloak stealth and assumably vampire stealth. Aren’t you a NB main Gil?0 -
gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Augusten15 wrote: »If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
my apologies but that is simply not true.
concealed weapon movement bonus only applies to sneaking and you must be in sneak Completely and Crouched for it to take effect.
while the movement speed for cowards gear only applies to standing and running and completely standing.
they cannot stack because they are different movement bonus that appose eachother in stances.
If you are a stage 4 vampire NB, then Concealed weapon does increase your movement while sprinting because stage 4 vampirism automatically makes you invisible if you sprint for 6 secs. Which means that it does stack with Cowards gear.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So now slowing down and smelling the roses while playing? Just gotta go fast?CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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DreamsUnderStars✭✭✭✭✭I can run through mobs on my mount with that alliance run buff and hold down sprint, their slow-down spells don't affect me,0 -
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✭Lol, i came here wondering if folks were having success with Cowards in PvP with the new greymoor meta. I've considered trying it in BGs, I have a gold set, but the traits aren't right.
I am curious though, for BGs:
Cowards SnB back bar
New moons 2h front bar
Agility jewelry x3 (infused wep damage)
Monster of choice x1
1h/6m
3 impen/4 well-fitted
Cowards provides sustain, and the ability to play hit on run, with -30% while running. The rest is fat weapon damage.
If I had endless transmute crystals, I'd give it a try.
“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”0 -
ImmortalCX✭✭✭✭✭I have the cowards and the Ring of Wild hunt. Both seem to give the same movement speed boost, which is close to the cap.
I think if you stack both, you will get a 50% total boost, extra 5%. Or you can hit Rapid Maneuver which will get you to the cap.
When the Ring was released, it stacked with riding speed, so you could go even faster than Rapid Maneuver on a horse.
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taugrim✭✭✭✭✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »Lol, i came here wondering if folks were having success with Cowards in PvP with the new greymoor meta. I've considered trying it in BGs, I have a gold set, but the traits aren't right.
I just leveled a Stamden to 50, and I maintained the Cowards 5-pc set bonus from levels 30-49 and using Heavy Armor for the other armor slots. That 5-pc bonus is so good for PVP and PVE while leveling.
In Deathmatch battles, it gave me great escapability (especially since I wasn't able to morph Falcon's Swiftness until character level 48), and in Domination/King or Chaosball battles, the ability to cover ground quickly is invalauble.PC | NA | CP 2.3k- Active: Dark Elf Stamina Templar | Dark Elf Stamina Arcanist | Dark Elf Stamina Necromancer
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This if you have Ring of the Wild Hunt you probably don't need other speed buffs farming or getting skyshards.
With it you loose one 5th set effect or an monster set and this can be things not needed much overland.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭So cowards gear, stage 4 vamp, wild hunt ring and concealed weapon should make the best sneak sprinter possible.?0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Augusten15 wrote: »If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
my apologies but that is simply not true.
concealed weapon movement bonus only applies to sneaking and you must be in sneak Completely and Crouched for it to take effect.
while the movement speed for cowards gear only applies to standing and running and completely standing.
they cannot stack because they are different movement bonus that appose eachother in stances.
So concealed weapon doesn't work with the invisible effect Unnatural Movement gives you? That's lame.0 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Augusten15 wrote: »If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
my apologies but that is simply not true.
concealed weapon movement bonus only applies to sneaking and you must be in sneak Completely and Crouched for it to take effect.
while the movement speed for cowards gear only applies to standing and running and completely standing.
they cannot stack because they are different movement bonus that appose eachother in stances.
So concealed weapon doesn't work with the invisible effect Unnatural Movement gives you? That's lame.
If you had read on, you would see that they disproved his statement...2 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Augusten15 wrote: »If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
my apologies but that is simply not true.
concealed weapon movement bonus only applies to sneaking and you must be in sneak Completely and Crouched for it to take effect.
while the movement speed for cowards gear only applies to standing and running and completely standing.
they cannot stack because they are different movement bonus that appose eachother in stances.
So concealed weapon doesn't work with the invisible effect Unnatural Movement gives you? That's lame.
well if it stacked too much it would go beyond the sneak speed limit and people would constantly complain on the forums that they believe it isn't fair, which is what cause it to be removed the first time this happened.
i loved when we could sneak as fast and sometimes even FASTER than horses.
however i was moving so fast at times i would get launched off even small hills and DIE LOL.
but it harmed no one, we could fast sneak at extreme speeds, but some one reported it and it was nerfed and the sneak speeds were deleted.
those fast speeds harmed no one accept us cause we went so fast we risked our own deaths.
the very INSTANT that eye would open we would loose sneak speeds completely and it gave Zero advantage in pvp and in pve, zero advantage.
zenimax put a limit on all movements speeds both in running and in sneak that we have now no choice but to live with.
for me it is VERY distastefull and i HATE these slow creeping sneak speeds we see today but is not going to be any faster, those days are long gone.1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭todays sneak speeds are like crawling in Mud compared to what we used to have.
i pray someday the developers will revert thier decision and allow us to again have those fast sneak speeds because as i said earlier, those sneak speeds give zero battle advantage.
zero advantage.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »Augusten15 wrote: »If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
my apologies but that is simply not true.
concealed weapon movement bonus only applies to sneaking and you must be in sneak Completely and Crouched for it to take effect.
while the movement speed for cowards gear only applies to standing and running and completely standing.
they cannot stack because they are different movement bonus that appose eachother in stances.
So concealed weapon doesn't work with the invisible effect Unnatural Movement gives you? That's lame.
If you had read on, you would see that they disproved his statement...
they proved nothing, my statement stands.
and by the way this happens quite often on these forums:
if someone makes a counter statement it is not "proof" that was presented, all that happened was someone disagreed with the first statement.
Edited by Gilvoth on August 23, 2020 8:59PM0 -
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✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »Augusten15 wrote: »If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
my apologies but that is simply not true.
concealed weapon movement bonus only applies to sneaking and you must be in sneak Completely and Crouched for it to take effect.
while the movement speed for cowards gear only applies to standing and running and completely standing.
they cannot stack because they are different movement bonus that appose eachother in stances.
So concealed weapon doesn't work with the invisible effect Unnatural Movement gives you? That's lame.
If you had read on, you would see that they disproved his statement...
they proved nothing, my statement stands.
and by the way this happens quite often on these forums:
if someone makes a counter statement it is not "proof" that was presented, all that happened was someone disagreed with the first statement.
None of you have shown us proof, just statements.. but based on the quotes they made, I see no reason as to why it should not work..2 -
buttaface✭✭✭✭✭Add Prisoner's Rags to your Coward's on an orc stam sorc (my main crafter) and perma streak every few seconds also. Caveat, needs to be on flat ground or streak will hitch and become annoying due to a landing time. On flat ground though, you are faster than any other possible speed boost or mount, no question.0
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✭✭✭Augusten15 wrote: »If you happen to be a NB, this effect also appears to stack with concealed weapon allowing you to move invisible with both the 30% and 25% movement bonus.
my apologies but that is simply not true.
concealed weapon movement bonus only applies to sneaking and you must be in sneak Completely and Crouched for it to take effect.
while the movement speed for cowards gear only applies to standing and running and completely standing.
they cannot stack because they are different movement bonus that appose eachother in stances.
With invisibility you can sprint actually do a mag NB would be absolutely fine lol0 -
thegreat_one✭✭✭✭The only time it Concealed does not make u faster is when you are crouching.
If u hit an invis pot, instantly applies.
Vamp running thing kicks in and it instantly applies.
The time it takes for you to get completely hidden via crouching. It does NOT apply until Hidden.
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