Rampant self rezzing in cyro (exploit using group finder somehow)

biovitalb16_ESO

So if ZOS has seen this do the right thing for a change...permaban the cheaters. Don't let them write an "I'm sorry I got caught" essay like you did when Cheat Engine was so rampant...permaban them.

Odovacar

Psyman wrote: »

Hello ppl

please have a look on this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0KMQoIjYuE


@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

biovitalb16_ESO

Odovacar wrote: »

Psyman wrote: »

Hello ppl

please have a look on this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0KMQoIjYuE


@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

And this player should be permabanned...but they wont be.

butterrum222

I’ve run into the opposite problem recently. Instead of self rezzing, it seems that whenever any enemy player gets near me, they die. This has been going on ever since I got bad ass.

gatekeeper13

I ve seen it with my own eyes. Two NB's at a keep tower. One gets killed. The second one gets killed also, I am standing next to him to see if there is anyone else round there who will try to sneak and rez him and suddenly he auto-rez and jumps from the wall.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

thegreat_one wrote: »

For the future, If you do not fix these issues when honest players are reporting it. You are making your company and game look like a joke.

If it's true that this has been happening for 4 patches, I would fire every single one of the devs on the spot. Plain and simple.
But keep the dislocated jaw bug that you knew about since the POS ( PTS) of Greymoor, That one i can live with.

I feel the blame has to firstly fall on the players who are cheating.
On ZOS's side, they are working blind. They might find one way to stop this particular cheat but it might turn out to be done in another way.

If the time and resource cost is too high to find and plug the exploit, I would prefer to see them just get video reports and ban the cheaters.
Just because you fix one bug (which can possibly cost a lot of time and resources that could be put somewhere else more useful) -- it won't necessarily change the CULTURE of cheating in the game.

In the case of this specific exploit it would likely be a simple fix as it is a specific condition that needs to be active in order to proc it.

Maybe, maybe not. I do find it ironic that players are screaming for Greymoor bug fixes and PvP improvements. But players insisting on find and using cheats and exploits or other TOS violations like crown scamming create more work for ZOS on top of that.
Maybe if we stopped making more work for them they can actually get useful work done and delivery a higher quality product for a change.

There are always going to be some players looking to get away with things, as well as people just doing it because they can. It doesn't invalidate requests for a playable and improving game.

I'm not going to pretend to know ZOS's internal development structure but if it was me (budget willing) I would have teams on, performance, combat, pvp features and pve features with a rotating cycle of people 'firefighting' random bugs like this before rejoining their teams. This way development on all these areas can continue but bugs affecting gameplay drastically would be worked on in tandem.

It's obviously not as simple as that because certain people are going to have specialities in different areas (unless the teams are all of the same level and experience generally) but it feels like ZOS currently only looks at performance, pve and combat and doesn't really have anyone on the PVP side of things regularly.

zergbase_ESO

Mindcr0w wrote: »

Perhaps they are just Warlocks using a soul stone?

Dang Zos Merged with WoW. We got Warlocks and soul stones now yay!

Reverb

VixxVexx wrote: »

I'm pretty convinced it's not a group finder exploit. It's something much simpler. But I'm not going to post the method in here. Also not going to risk my account trying to replicate the exploit on video.

Feel free to contact me, you guys can look into it yourselves. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

@VixxVexx of you think it’s something you can easily replicate, you can always try on PTS and then upload the video for ESO support. I’ve done this a couple of times. They appreciate the detail on how to produce the bug/exploit reliably, and you have the benefit of not getting caught in the net of people sanctioned for doing it on the Live servers.

maddiniiLuna

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

idk wrote: »

You tagged it already.

However, what you really need to do is record your game with them doing this. DO NOT post the video here. Report the players in-game and let them know you have a video of what was happening. They will ask you for the video they need it.

Hi all,

Just confirming that we have seen this as well as some similar reports, and are aware. If you see a player insta-rezzing over and over in combat, please try to capture it on video and report it to us via the in-game or Support portal tools. That behavior is not possible without intentional exploiting or other means that are a violation of our Terms of Service.

Hi ZOS,

I have been sending videos of cheaters that date between 1 and 3 years ago and they are yet to be even opened by you, as proven by the view statistics of the videos, which i can send to you if necessary. Unfortunately i don't have the videos on my computer anymore, but they are still uploaded.

However as for your answer. Since the videos are not even looked at there is not much point in sending any more to you. At this point naming and shaming is the only possible solution, as you have hope that the person will just quit whatever he's doing or even stop playing eso.


Both views are from me on the computer and phone. I've 100% send this in, but i don't have the e-mail to back this up anymore, as it was a long time ago.




Is there any statement on this? It's just one example, people have been macro cheating, exploiting, etc. for years and nothing happens. I have even seen somebody do it on live stream twitch and he got away with it.

yodased

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

thegreat_one wrote: »

For the future, If you do not fix these issues when honest players are reporting it. You are making your company and game look like a joke.

If it's true that this has been happening for 4 patches, I would fire every single one of the devs on the spot. Plain and simple.
But keep the dislocated jaw bug that you knew about since the POS ( PTS) of Greymoor, That one i can live with.

I feel the blame has to firstly fall on the players who are cheating.
On ZOS's side, they are working blind. They might find one way to stop this particular cheat but it might turn out to be done in another way.

If the time and resource cost is too high to find and plug the exploit, I would prefer to see them just get video reports and ban the cheaters.
Just because you fix one bug (which can possibly cost a lot of time and resources that could be put somewhere else more useful) -- it won't necessarily change the CULTURE of cheating in the game.
When ZOS shows they are taking action and cheaters have a harder time getting away, there'll be less cheating and exploiting from the deterrence and cheaters being forced to leave the game.

It's the same in real life. You can't protect everyone from murder all the time. But a lot of people don't wantonly go around assaulting and murdering people because a lot of these criminals get caught and persecuted.
That's also why the Justice System in ESO is a joke. Guards can't do anything to players so all of Auridon gets massacred.
Right now, the ZOS anti-cheat department is as useful as the Guards in Auridon.

If the resource cost to handle cheating -- not just coding out the cheats, not just investigating reports (seriously, just imagine how long that would take to do even one report, and that's IF the player could get a video because who's recording all the time just in case a cheat happens?), but responding to tickets and even handling the forum posts -- becomes way too high compared to the benefits of keeping open-world PvP in the game, it's time to just remove open world PvP and focus on Battlegrounds, where the environment and numbers can be more strictly controlled and monitored.
You want to capture keeps and towns? Make them BG maps.

You are not necessarily wrong here, but I would argue the culture of 'cheating' is so pervasive or at least perceived to be is because of a lack of funding and care towards stomping the bugs.

Games that reward cheating get cheaters.

Dusk_Coven

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

You could just as well say "maybe if we stopped being mean to each other we wouldn't have to use as much public funds on the criminal justice system". Two very different and disparate groups with entirely different agendas and different motivations are conflated by an improper use of "we" to refer to both.

Some of those public funds are used on the police and other systems of justice that act as a deterrent.
When those are not in place, or not adequate, like in a skid row, crime is higher.
And when that justice system itself breaks down and people lose faith, it becomes a bigger mess with vigilantism and mob rule on top of people taking advantage of its absence.

However I do agree that exploiters don't necessarily care about improvements. That's fair to say.

DCZergNoob

This whole thing is a meme because players can get banned for ZOS's own mistakes, thats kinda unfair if im being honest

kargen27

DCZergNoob wrote: »

This whole thing is a meme because players can get banned for ZOS's own mistakes, thats kinda unfair if im being honest

No it is perfectly fair to ban them. We all agreed to the same agreement after skipping to the end and hitting I agree. They know it isn't suppose to be in the game. They know it gives unfair advantage. They know it is an exploit. They use it. They should be willing to face the consequences if caught.
If the bank accidentally puts a few extra dollars in your account you don't get to spend them. You notify the bank and give it back.

JonnytheKing

this has been in the game for 6 mouths plus dont be mad at the players , u shouldbe asking why a basic bug hasnt been fixed ,

TineaCruris

JonnytheKing wrote: »

this has been in the game for 6 mouths plus dont be mad at the players , u shouldbe asking why a basic bug hasnt been fixed ,

You are right that the bug should have been fixed immediately. It's been going on for four patches at least according to those in the know.

With that said, we should be mad at the players that jump at the opportunity to exploit as well. People who cheat SHOULD have to pay a price, even in a video game. "It's not cheating because they keep letting me do it" is not a justification that works in the real world. So ya, it's ok to have an issue with ZOS for not fixing a bug, but the bigger problem is the mentality of people that drool at the opportunity and use every exploit that comes along.

But the issue is a bit circular too. Why hasn't ZOS fixed this yet? Something this extreme really should get top priority every patch. So why hasn't it?

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

You could just as well say "maybe if we stopped being mean to each other we wouldn't have to use as much public funds on the criminal justice system". Two very different and disparate groups with entirely different agendas and different motivations are conflated by an improper use of "we" to refer to both.

Some of those public funds are used on the police and other systems of justice that act as a deterrent.
When those are not in place, or not adequate, like in a skid row, crime is higher.
And when that justice system itself breaks down and people lose faith, it becomes a bigger mess with vigilantism and mob rule on top of people taking advantage of its absence.

However I do agree that exploiters don't necessarily care about improvements. That's fair to say.

I'm sorry, but you completely missed my point here. I was just giving another (random) example of a statement with the same kind of conflation: people supporting themselves through crime and people paying taxes to support the justice system are not the same people. Making a plea to honest people not to commit crimes has absolutely no effect, because they are not committing any crimes in the first place. That is just like saying that "we" should not cheat and cause more work for the developers if "we" want to have a functioning game. Different "we". Conflation.

ItMustBeThursday

This actually happened to me twice a couple of weeks ago, I have no idea how, or what triggered it, but I died, and then spontaneously ressed twice in a row, only to be immediately killed.

When it happened I had no control over it though, I just popped back up as if i was hit by the Necro ulti?

bigdavid11b16_ESO

how are all of you just noticing this now. this bug has been out since elsweyr. [snip]

Patch after Patch I have reported this bug with instructions on how to perform it. Yet it has not been fixed. There are no excuses at this point.

[edited to remove the steps to reproduce effect]

TineaCruris

bigdavid11b16_ESO wrote: »

how are all of you just noticing this now. this bug has been out since elsweyr. [snip]

Patch after Patch I have reported this bug with instructions on how to perform it. Yet it has not been fixed. There are no excuses at this point.

[edited to remove the steps to reproduce effect]

I agree. For something this major, they should do a hotfix or a special patch. Yes, I think for an exploit this extreme, the game absolutely SHOULD be shut down to fix it if that's what it takes. It's difficult to have faith in a company that would let a known exploit this extreme to continue to exist without at least trying to do something about it.

Thank you Jessica Fulsom for at least acknowledging the issue I guess. Any chance it will get fixed or at least a fix getting scheduled sometime soon?

bigdavid11b16_ESO

It has come to my attention that only official "warnings" are the punishment for such exploitation of this bug.

What follows is a legitimate Account Warning to a player which has been caught. Note the very recent date.

https://gyazo.com/08cc627669271bcfae1acfa27589e3b7

I know how this makes me feel. How does it make everyone else feel that bans are not considered?

Even I have been given a suspension for just using Pchat and copy pasting hate tells in zone.

rumple9

Probably Stadia ...

TineaCruris

Does anyone happen to know if this exploit is in PvE too? I'm pretty sure I saw a person do it in BG's yesterday too. (I know BG is not PvE, just trying to ask if the bug is everywhere or just cyrodiil)

yodased

Technically should work anywhere although in pve you just hit e to red so nbd. I guess you could use it to self rez in a dungeon

TineaCruris

yodased wrote: »

Technically should work anywhere although in pve you just hit e to red so nbd. I guess you could use it to self rez in a dungeon

It wouldn't suprise me to hear people are doing this to save a soul gem. But as a hypothetical, would it even matter if people used a self rez exploit in PvE? Would it even be an exploit in a PvE situation?

Honestly, they just need to prioritize fixing this bug so questions like the above aren't even postulated.

Any word on a plan to get this one fixed?

yodased

TineaCruris wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Technically should work anywhere although in pve you just hit e to red so nbd. I guess you could use it to self rez in a dungeon

It wouldn't suprise me to hear people are doing this to save a soul gem. But as a hypothetical, would it even matter if people used a self rez exploit in PvE? Would it even be an exploit in a PvE situation?

Honestly, they just need to prioritize fixing this bug so questions like the above aren't even postulated.

Any word on a plan to get this one fixed?

In the strictest definition it doesn't matter the context in which you circumvent game systems.

TineaCruris

yodased wrote: »

TineaCruris wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Technically should work anywhere although in pve you just hit e to red so nbd. I guess you could use it to self rez in a dungeon

It wouldn't suprise me to hear people are doing this to save a soul gem. But as a hypothetical, would it even matter if people used a self rez exploit in PvE? Would it even be an exploit in a PvE situation?

Honestly, they just need to prioritize fixing this bug so questions like the above aren't even postulated.

Any word on a plan to get this one fixed?

In the strictest definition it doesn't matter the context in which you circumvent game systems.

Of course. I'm wondering if people using the exploit in PvE too is all....and why would anyone even bother to report this happening in PvE?

They really should prioritize a fix for this so we aren't even talking about it.

promoplus33ub17_ESO

Not sure how they are doing it, but, we have video of [snip] (which people did put a ticket in) getting killed and rezzing in front of us 8 times.... Finally haven't seen him in a few weeks, but, you know he will be back. Another account, same hack... uggg..... frustrating.

[Edited to remove Naming and Shaming]

pod88kk

It's all over the place on Xbox Eu, now those who did it multiple times are bricking it that they'll get banned XD XD XD

JamieAubrey

Psyman wrote: »

Hello ppl

please have a look on this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0KMQoIjYuE


@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Sad thing, this is a 4 month old video

TineaCruris

Can we please get an outline for some kind of plan to fix this insane exploit?