PERFECTED DSA and MA WEAPONS: a case of injustice
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Algorax✭✭✭✭furiouslog wrote: »
Where was it refuted?
In the OP, which you clearly did not read...0 -
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✭✭furiouslog wrote: »
Where was it refuted?
In the OP, which you clearly did not read...
That is untrue. I've read and participated in most of the legion of threads in this topic, and never once did a ZOS rep come out and say that the re-grinding issue was not the rationale for the decision. The only thing that approaches an explanation for the rationale was Rich's discord log justifying the decision with his automobile metaphor. No one has made a statement on why this decision was made, anything else is speculation from the community. Unless you have additional information to add, I'd put it to you that no one has effectively refuted that statement.
EDIT: I see the issue now, which is one of semantics and logic. Refuting that rationale would be proving that the rationale was untrue, either because it was not actually a motivational factor in ZOS's decision, or because the behavior intended by that rationale was ineffective. You have not proved either of those things, you merely disagreed with the motivation as justifiable given your perceptions as a player of the game. If anything, based on the recent choices of many of my various guildmates, the decision was highly effective at forcing players to regrind old content, because they are doing so on a daily basis.Edited by furiouslog on June 11, 2020 8:45PM2 -
Algorax✭✭✭✭furiouslog wrote: »furiouslog wrote: »
Where was it refuted?
In the OP, which you clearly did not read...
That is untrue. I've read and participated in most of the legion of threads in this topic, and never once did a ZOS rep come out and say that the re-grinding issue was not the rationale for the decision. The only thing that approaches an explanation for the rationale was Rich's discord log justifying the decision with his automobile metaphor. No one has made a statement on why this decision was made, anything else is speculation from the community. Unless you have additional information to add, I'd put it to you that no one has effectively refuted that statement.
Once again, you should learn to read an OP before commenting, where it is explained the nature of the statements and their origin. I cannot explain this concept even futher: it would be like answering to something not capable to understand, and it would be embarassing both for me and for you.Edited by Algorax on June 11, 2020 8:38PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Bro, you are too late for the party, there were furious threads with hundreds of replies month ago... devs answer is this:We (veterans) are the minority and we do not matter is all I got from the explanation given.
Overall, Rich told us that we should be happy with new trial and with new PVP siege tool, heh. Performance is fine, and was improving since U25. If we don't like something, we may stop playing, there is no shortage of new players now.
I already wrote on the OP that i am aware that this problem was already exposed, and how coult it not?
The reason of the post is to refute any reason for this decision provided so far.
Btw with that statement the dev team basically made 2 things:
1) They implicitly aknowledged the problem
2) They alienated their own loyal core of users (most likely the paying one)
3) They proved to be too lazy to solve their own mistake
As you can saw from Rich's interview, there is no any reason for this decision. They simply don't care about veteran players, because there are not so many of us in comparison to amount of new whales ZOS recently got. More then that, ZOS maybe even tired with all the endless whining and bashing and they want veterans which don't pay to go away (those who pay will remain, because they already payed for this game anyway).
Now we can only count that ZOS will make some investments into server infrastructure so whales won't swam away to New World or Shadowlands...
That's true, bitter yes but we must face it. In my experience with other titles, this is not a good sign for the direction a game is taking...
Really bad sign is when usually positive and constructive players like WrathOfInnos and Oreyn_Bearclaw are becoming negative to ZOS and this game...
I am trying to remain positive, I promise. They are making it harder and harder each patch. I do appreciate the kind words.
To be honest, this issue is pretty low on my list of grievances, but it just feels unnecessary and a bit like a slap in the face. I already have 2 perfected infernos. I decided to give myself the carrot of getting Flawless on every class, magic and stam. I have 3 to go (9/12 done).
Once that is done, I will no longer run VMA (no matter what they put at the end of it), and the weapons I have will be the weapons I have. I really dont know how many times I have run that place. I know people love to boast insane numbers of runs that are probably exaggerated. I cleared a month after it dropped. I grinded infernos before trait change. When trait changed was introduced, I had VMA weapons spread across 2 mules. I deconed all but 5 of every type, which was still a huge amount to save. The reality is that most of them have been sitting on a mule for years, and the new ones add a minuscule amount of DPS. Doesnt make it feel any better though.
@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Ha, I just remember all the previous "sky is falling" updates and that you and WrathOfInnos tried to maintain some constructive view on this changes, while on Greymoor both went strictly negative to ZOS, especially after PTS feedback was ignored..
so that's an emergency sign to ZOS 1 -
Lole✭✭✭Many others have pointed this out, so this post wants to be a collective of all the reasons why this move was a very bad move and more importantly it aims to refute all the "reasons" i red here and there that instead support this decision.
But first a short summary for those players who never heard of this plight.
Since the last patch, several weapons sets, which can be seen here:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Weapon+Sets
received a major change in the way they could be obtained. Before the patch, the only way you could put your hands on those powerful weapons was to run a VETERAN version of the istance. But after the patch they added a "normal" drop and here lies the problem: what was before the veteran drop became the normal drop and the new veteran drops received an additional bonus. It then happened, against any logic, that all those many players who obtained one of those weapons BEFORE THE PATCH, enduring the difficulties of a veteran mode, WERE NOT given the rightful veteran item, instead they now find themselves with the "normal" version of the weapon.
So now you have a large number of players who feel deprived of their efforts, facing the unfair circumstance that new players will not have to endure even near their struggle to get their same weapons. This will those hit by this injustice to grind the harder veteran mode again and again, in a tedious grinding that does not even count the many additional grinding needed to gather matherial to improve the weapons to legendary, with the desired glyph and trait...
Now, let's face the truth: there is no reason that could justify this. Someone attempted to do it but here is the sadly obvious answer to each one of their attempts:
1) "They are not the same set anymore, hence you deserve no upgraded version of it."
This is really the dumbest, most insulting and yet most recurring point you will find. The answer is ashamingly simple: there is no reason to consider it a different set. Not a single one of those set was changed in its core, the prefected weapons only have an additional bonus stat. Dozens of sets were CHANGED before, completely removing a previous effect and giving new stats, and yet those players who owned them received the new version the very moment it was upgraded
2) "This was long requested by the players"
Nice try. We never asked to create a gap between players, nor to be treated like idiots, which is what is happening now. What the playerbase was asking was to give those weapons sets which already didn't have, the perfected version, since the last released weapon sets did have a perfected version.
3) "Stop making such a fuss: it's just an additonal stat!"
How to shoot on your own feet: if those stats were not important for you then just run normal, but endgame players may want to get them since it's all about them in the end: statistics and perfomance. If they were not that important they could just not have added them. And this still does not justify the decision to not upgrade what was farmed as veteran drop to a veteran drop.
4) "What' the problem? You just go and farm them again!"
Do not assume that we all love grinding, nor that we have enough time to spend on it over and over, some of us work, some of us have families you know... Besides there is so much conent and other things to do that each second you waste there hurts twice. And again, this still does not justify the decision to not upgrade what was farmed as veteran drop to a veteran drop.
5) "It was all made to make players return at the old content"
And you choose the worst approach possible: stealing rightful rewards and compensations from seasoned veteran players. while you could just add something juicy of any sort to draw more playerbase. And once again, this still does not justify the decision to not upgrade what was farmed as veteran drop to a veteran drop.
And now some final consideration.
Immagine a player who grinded the weapon at the time when there was no transmutation system and he ned to farm it untill the weapon had the right effect AND the right trait.
Immagine a player who is aware that those weapons once HAD the perfected stat, that it was later removed and now they add it back for... "reasons" but they will not grant them to you despite your efforts
Immagine a player who maybe pays for the ESO+ or other things and has to smell the neverending stench of this rot.
The only thing more ashaming than what happened, is the overwhelming compliance and omerta of those who refuse to aknowledge the problem.
Everyting i wrote was not moved by anger, it was not born by the emotion of the moment: it is the most lucid assesment you may find and therefore it will never be altered.
Thank you.
Sry but you won’t get an upgraded weapon for free... do something for it or leave it, there are 3 versions of the weapon, you farmed for number 2 so you got number 2, upgrading it to 3 for free is not a solution
2 seasons ago I was pretty high rated in wow Arena 3on3, should I ask blizzard if I can get my stuff upgraded to the current best arena rewards possible ?:)
Might make me start playing wow again actually, stuff for free is allways nice
I wouldn't get anything i didn't eraned in the first place. I endured a veteran run, my compensation shall be in accordance to that. Simple as that.
There is no such thing as 3 versions of the weapon: what i got now is a mere normal run weapon despite my effors in veteran runs.
Wow Arena gear tiers are totally different items from one another, so you would be the one demanding something not earned. The same does not occur here.
Sry but it is exactly the same, I earned the gear, did hit the needed rating once... but now the gear is just outdated... new season = Basicly the same items just a higher ilvl. But I didn’t earn them ? I did the grind and managed to end up there ? Why is my old reward not getting upgraded to the newer reward ? I would have to do the exact same grind again to get the new versions of the old arena items just on a higher ilvl...
Mmos don’t work this way. You want the new version then you need to put the effort in
But they should give the old vet weapons A special name or something to show that it was a vet earned one and not an ezmode one.
No, it is not.
The gear you get from a season on Wow is unique, different form the one from the previous season in both effect, stats and appearance, in this case we have THE SAME ITEM.
It’s not the same item, it has an additional stat no ?
makes it not the same item... stats changed so does the arena gear, could even argue that items like rings and trinkets change less than your wanted item.Since just numbers get higher and that’s about it...I still want my old items to get upgraded to the latest season since I Grinded them once.
You are correct that the look changes, besides that most items did actually have exactly the same statset but just higher numbers0 -
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✭✭furiouslog wrote: »furiouslog wrote: »
Where was it refuted?
In the OP, which you clearly did not read...
That is untrue. I've read and participated in most of the legion of threads in this topic, and never once did a ZOS rep come out and say that the re-grinding issue was not the rationale for the decision. The only thing that approaches an explanation for the rationale was Rich's discord log justifying the decision with his automobile metaphor. No one has made a statement on why this decision was made, anything else is speculation from the community. Unless you have additional information to add, I'd put it to you that no one has effectively refuted that statement.
Once again, you should learn to read an OP before commenting, where it is explained the nature of the statements and their origin. I cannot explain this concept even futher: it would be like answering to something not capable to understand, and it would be embarassing both for me and for you.
I've clarified my response. Please refrain from baiting, as it is against the TOS for the board.0
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