WuffyCerulei wrote: »I mean I get ganked on the occassion, and I’ve been pvping for years. However, it happens when I’m not paying attention. Thus, it’s my own fault for leaving myself open. Stamblades are usually built to hit hard right out of stealth, but they’re also glass cannons. Learning to avoid getting ganked, or just learning to counter them takes time in pvp. It’s a legit “git gud” situation. Just know gankers love picking on low-levels/low CP, afk people, people alone or outside of a group, etc. Essentially people who are sitting ducks.
PS: Not standing in a trillion aoes and in melee range helps too.
Czekoludek wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Alcast does not play all those builds, has probably not played most of them in a serious manner and with the ones he actually does play he might swap out a skill or two.
Alcast has a great reference but it is not a bible.
Dottz Gaming also do not have more defence https://dottzgaming.com/build/the-magister-magicka-sorcerer-pvp-build/
Actually i use defending and Temporal Guard ... even if I consider my 5 +2 light heavy armor magplar
I will get 20 613 dmg in snipe case
17595 in second case so one more suprise attack and I am dead..
Again, Dottz is a reference. It is not a bible. ESO PvP builds is not a one size fits all.
I looked at the build and what Dottz has listed. Both are glass cannons builds. When running a glass cannon build the player needs to be that more active in avoiding and mitigating damage.
And tell me how how to avoid dmg which came fully from stealth ????
Who is complaining about ganks in 2020 lol
Joinovikova wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Alcast does not play all those builds, has probably not played most of them in a serious manner and with the ones he actually does play he might swap out a skill or two.
Alcast has a great reference but it is not a bible.
Dottz Gaming also do not have more defence https://dottzgaming.com/build/the-magister-magicka-sorcerer-pvp-build/
Actually i use defending and Temporal Guard ... even if I consider my 5 +2 light heavy armor magplar
I will get 20 613 dmg in snipe case
17595 in second case so one more suprise attack and I am dead..
Again, Dottz is a reference. It is not a bible. ESO PvP builds is not a one size fits all.
I looked at the build and what Dottz has listed. Both are glass cannons builds. When running a glass cannon build the player needs to be that more active in avoiding and mitigating damage.
And tell me how how to avoid dmg which came fully from stealth ????
I have no idea what you were doing at the time.
I have not been killed by a ganker in several years. When I have been attacked by a ganker, the best they have done is taken most of my health. They tend to not be very skilled players and immediately cloak even when they came short of killing the player. To which I then sneak around, find them, kill them while preventing them from cloaking again.
Were your shields down? Players watch for that.
That nb simply caught you with the shields down, and that damage is normal against someone in light armor with no shields. Also keep in mind that that Incap was boosted with the follow up passive.
The fact that you are copying builds from others makes me think that you might not be very experienced in pvp, so next time try to record your gameplay and see what you did wrong.
Joinovikova wrote: »... Engine Guardian and seducewr are TYPICAL GLASS CANON SETS.. much mich beete then NMA and clever alchemist.. I under stand nb main childer have chrismas they finaly get blade/ bow of woe on their class butJoinovikova wrote: »Alcast does not play all those builds, has probably not played most of them in a serious manner and with the ones he actually does play he might swap out a skill or two.
Alcast has a great reference but it is not a bible.
Dottz Gaming also do not have more defence https://dottzgaming.com/build/the-magister-magicka-sorcerer-pvp-build/
Actually i use defending and Temporal Guard ... even if I consider my 5 +2 light heavy armor magplar
I will get 20 613 dmg in snipe case
17595 in second case so one more suprise attack and I am dead..
Again, Dottz is a reference. It is not a bible. ESO PvP builds is not a one size fits all.
I looked at the build and what Dottz has listed. Both are glass cannons builds. When running a glass cannon build the player needs to be that more active in avoiding and mitigating damage.
okay what buidl light magica build set tup u suggest.. to be able to do decnwe dmg have do ntpo be oom in 10s
Ebgine guardian a glass cannon set?
I think I've read everythingJoinovikova wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »Alcast does not play all those builds, has probably not played most of them in a serious manner and with the ones he actually does play he might swap out a skill or two.
Alcast has a great reference but it is not a bible.
Dottz Gaming also do not have more defence https://dottzgaming.com/build/the-magister-magicka-sorcerer-pvp-build/
Actually i use defending and Temporal Guard ... even if I consider my 5 +2 light heavy armor magplar
I will get 20 613 dmg in snipe case
17595 in second case so one more suprise attack and I am dead..
Again, Dottz is a reference. It is not a bible. ESO PvP builds is not a one size fits all.
I looked at the build and what Dottz has listed. Both are glass cannons builds. When running a glass cannon build the player needs to be that more active in avoiding and mitigating damage.
And tell me how how to avoid dmg which came fully from stealth ????
Any time you hear a cue, dodge roll.
PvP in LA is reactive, you must avoid at all cost being touched by the opponent. Is like playing Oblivion at max difficult
Joinovikova wrote: »... Engine Guardian and seducewr are TYPICAL GLASS CANON SETS.. much mich beete then NMA and clever alchemist.. I under stand nb main childer have chrismas they finaly get blade/ bow of woe on their class but
okay what buidl light magica build set tup u suggest.. to be able to do decnwe dmg have do ntpo be oom in 10s
Ebgine guardian a glass cannon set?
I think I've read everything
Lmao @Xvorg i didn't read that part, i'm dying
Edit: Engine guardian AND Seducer
I think the biggest mistake for new players is consider themselves as a part of a team when talking about classes, without even trying other class.
Sure, Sorcs have been nerfed a lot and they are just a shadow of what they used to be. For Nbs the story is quite similar.
What is not acceptable is to believe that one class is OP without addressing their problems. The only thing NBs have is high burst dmg, once you learn how to counter that, pure ganker NBs are easy preys on any build.
Regarding LA Sorc, if you are unable to a "piano playing" style, swapping weapons and keeping shields up, then LA Sorc is not for you. Sadly, one of the things that harms the most that playing style is lag and gankers know it.
Besides, ZoS "evil genie" policy always, always imply a nerf on a class that asks for nerf on another classes. Do you know how much it used to last ward when the game was launched? What about cloak purging up to 5 effects? Those were amazing tools we all lost because of the nerf cries in the forum...
I think the biggest mistake for new players is consider themselves as a part of a team when talking about classes, without even trying other class.
Sure, Sorcs have been nerfed a lot and they are just a shadow of what they used to be. For Nbs the story is quite similar.
What is not acceptable is to believe that one class is OP without addressing their problems. The only thing NBs have is high burst dmg, once you learn how to counter that, pure ganker NBs are easy preys on any build.
Regarding LA Sorc, if you are unable to a "piano playing" style, swapping weapons and keeping shields up, then LA Sorc is not for you. Sadly, one of the things that harms the most that playing style is lag and gankers know it.
Besides, ZoS "evil genie" policy always, always imply a nerf on a class that asks for nerf on another classes. Do you know how much it used to last ward when the game was launched? What about cloak purging up to 5 effects? Those were amazing tools we all lost because of the nerf cries in the forum...
its time to stop listening to crying sorcs that don't know how to play their class and buff magblades
FTFY
Joinovikova wrote: »its time to stop listening to crying sorcs that don't know how to play their class and buff magblades
FTFY
.. my nb die at same time as my sorc.. since the current gameplay look like this https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050 so if u thin u have time to cloak.. no u dont habe roll doge no u dodnt have...
Joinovikova wrote: »its time to stop listening to crying sorcs that don't know how to play their class and buff magblades
FTFY
.. my nb die at same time as my sorc.. since the current gameplay look like this https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050 so if u thin u have time to cloak.. no u dont habe roll doge no u dodnt have...
That's a performance related issue with a garbage ability that ZOS refuses to address. How is this relevant with nb or sorc or whatever
Joinovikova wrote: »iJoinovikova wrote: »its time to stop listening to crying sorcs that don't know how to play their class and buff magblades
FTFY
.. my nb die at same time as my sorc.. since the current gameplay look like this https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050 so if u thin u have time to cloak.. no u dont habe roll doge no u dodnt have...
That's a performance related issue with a garbage ability that ZOS refuses to address. How is this relevant with nb or sorc or whatever
snipe should not be possible to cast from stealth or heavy atack or any other offence cast abilty... getn instant kill 0,5s
Joinovikova wrote: »I played pvp here for years sittin in top mmr (1300 cp ) but how to explain to begginer what i see is somethjing like this server do not respond any dmg any soudmn any xlue only respon to my client i get instant kill https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050
Joinovikova wrote: »I played pvp here for years sittin in top mmr (1300 cp ) but how to explain to begginer what i see is somethjing like this server do not respond any dmg any soudmn any xlue only respon to my client i get instant kill https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050
Not a single one of your calculation takes Battle Spirit into account, XD.
Goregrinder wrote: »Based on that recap, at least two different players hit you. A DK casting flame lash, and a NB casting Incap strike. If multiple players hit you in between dodge rolling with your shields and healing down, you're going to die. That NB is probably running a class canon build which makes sense how hard Incap hit you for.
That's kind of how glass canon builds are designed to work, high risk in exchange for high reward. That's personally the only way I play my NB now a days, stacking pen and damage and dropping the hardest hitting abilities I have on someone like you in the span of hopefully a second or two, then I GTFO.
Joinovikova wrote: »I played pvp here for years sittin in top mmr (1300 cp ) but how to explain to begginer what i see is somethjing like this server do not respond any dmg any soudmn any xlue only respon to my client i get instant kill https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050
Not a single one of your calculation takes Battle Spirit into account, XD.
Goregrinder wrote: »Based on that recap, at least two different players hit you. A DK casting flame lash, and a NB casting Incap strike. If multiple players hit you in between dodge rolling with your shields and healing down, you're going to die. That NB is probably running a class canon build which makes sense how hard Incap hit you for.
That's kind of how glass canon builds are designed to work, high risk in exchange for high reward. That's personally the only way I play my NB now a days, stacking pen and damage and dropping the hardest hitting abilities I have on someone like you in the span of hopefully a second or two, then I GTFO.
Goregrinder wrote: »Based on that recap, at least two different players hit you. A DK casting flame lash, and a NB casting Incap strike. If multiple players hit you in between dodge rolling with your shields and healing down, you're going to die. That NB is probably running a class canon build which makes sense how hard Incap hit you for.
That's kind of how glass canon builds are designed to work, high risk in exchange for high reward. That's personally the only way I play my NB now a days, stacking pen and damage and dropping the hardest hitting abilities I have on someone like you in the span of hopefully a second or two, then I GTFO.
Goregrinder wrote: »Based on that recap, at least two different players hit you. A DK casting flame lash, and a NB casting Incap strike. If multiple players hit you in between dodge rolling with your shields and healing down, you're going to die. That NB is probably running a class canon build which makes sense how hard Incap hit you for.
That's kind of how glass canon builds are designed to work, high risk in exchange for high reward. That's personally the only way I play my NB now a days, stacking pen and damage and dropping the hardest hitting abilities I have on someone like you in the span of hopefully a second or two, then I GTFO.
It's also a common tactic to have a DK, Stamcro, Warden, or turtled up healplar as a distraction where people tunnel on them and dont bother to think that chunks of health dropping is not from their target. I see someone start face tanking anymore; I turn and look for the ganker.
Joinovikova wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Based on that recap, at least two different players hit you. A DK casting flame lash, and a NB casting Incap strike. If multiple players hit you in between dodge rolling with your shields and healing down, you're going to die. That NB is probably running a class canon build which makes sense how hard Incap hit you for.
That's kind of how glass canon builds are designed to work, high risk in exchange for high reward. That's personally the only way I play my NB now a days, stacking pen and damage and dropping the hardest hitting abilities I have on someone like you in the span of hopefully a second or two, then I GTFO.
first case i streak awy and have full hp and then get somethign like this https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050 simply do not healthy to the game.. incap or heavy atack shoudl not be possible to casdr in stealth thats all we need...
Joinovikova wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Based on that recap, at least two different players hit you. A DK casting flame lash, and a NB casting Incap strike. If multiple players hit you in between dodge rolling with your shields and healing down, you're going to die. That NB is probably running a class canon build which makes sense how hard Incap hit you for.
That's kind of how glass canon builds are designed to work, high risk in exchange for high reward. That's personally the only way I play my NB now a days, stacking pen and damage and dropping the hardest hitting abilities I have on someone like you in the span of hopefully a second or two, then I GTFO.
first case i streak awy and have full hp and then get somethign like this https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050 simply do not healthy to the game.. incap or heavy atack shoudl not be possible to casdr in stealth thats all we need...
And not a single person knows what you are talking about anymore. Complaining about ganks when u get hit by a crit incap on ur low armor sorc with shields down then talking about snipes and stealth and showing videos of performance related issues with snipe.
Moonsorrow wrote: »Accept you died and move on. You were clearly focused by not just 1 enemy.. did you go all in on the DK and then the NB got you?
It happens.
Rule is, always expect someone being in Sneak or Cloak and waiting for opportunity KO you.. when you fight someone else is the best time to strike.
Now.. if you demand nerfs to glass cannon NB playstyle.. for sure ZOS will end up buffing them and nerfing Msorc. Do not ask things that will end up badly for you. It is ZOS. They will "ZOSed" you more than your nerf target. Old facts.
Joinovikova wrote: »WTF Zos are you serious? i use build recomend by your chosen class representative https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pvp-build1/
and get this 20701 dmg in 0.56 s?? non CP based on current shity performance even server work "good" since avrage ping is 100 simply do not have even chance to react and he is able to cast all of this from stealth. i just only see my chararkter instat die ... omg who is responsible for this?...
see evidence on following link https://thumbs.uloz.to/9/c/2/9c261a17c6dab29e3cb909812d1e185f.640x360.jpg?vt=1591135199&sg=o7iBlr9KNw3DJwX-TVdC_g&bl=
you really make this game unplayble ...
Joinovikova wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Based on that recap, at least two different players hit you. A DK casting flame lash, and a NB casting Incap strike. If multiple players hit you in between dodge rolling with your shields and healing down, you're going to die. That NB is probably running a class canon build which makes sense how hard Incap hit you for.
That's kind of how glass canon builds are designed to work, high risk in exchange for high reward. That's personally the only way I play my NB now a days, stacking pen and damage and dropping the hardest hitting abilities I have on someone like you in the span of hopefully a second or two, then I GTFO.
first case i streak awy and have full hp and then get somethign like this https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050 simply do not healthy to the game.. incap or heavy atack shoudl not be possible to casdr in stealth thats all we need...
And not a single person knows what you are talking about anymore. Complaining about ganks when u get hit by a crit incap on ur low armor sorc with shields down then talking about snipes and stealth and showing videos of performance related issues with snipe.
MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »WTF Zos are you serious? i use build recomend by your chosen class representative https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pvp-build1/
and get this 20701 dmg in 0.56 s?? non CP based on current shity performance even server work "good" since avrage ping is 100 simply do not have even chance to react and he is able to cast all of this from stealth. i just only see my chararkter instat die ... omg who is responsible for this?...
see evidence on following link https://thumbs.uloz.to/9/c/2/9c261a17c6dab29e3cb909812d1e185f.640x360.jpg?vt=1591135199&sg=o7iBlr9KNw3DJwX-TVdC_g&bl=
you really make this game unplayble ...
Try wearing Impen or learn to play. NB's need love not more nerfs. As for the Snipe insta kill. This may be an exploit that is being used and has not been fixed yet. It kills me from time to time too.
Joinovikova wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Based on that recap, at least two different players hit you. A DK casting flame lash, and a NB casting Incap strike. If multiple players hit you in between dodge rolling with your shields and healing down, you're going to die. That NB is probably running a class canon build which makes sense how hard Incap hit you for.
That's kind of how glass canon builds are designed to work, high risk in exchange for high reward. That's personally the only way I play my NB now a days, stacking pen and damage and dropping the hardest hitting abilities I have on someone like you in the span of hopefully a second or two, then I GTFO.
first case i streak awy and have full hp and then get somethign like this https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050 simply do not healthy to the game.. incap or heavy atack shoudl not be possible to casdr in stealth thats all we need...
And not a single person knows what you are talking about anymore. Complaining about ganks when u get hit by a crit incap on ur low armor sorc with shields down then talking about snipes and stealth and showing videos of performance related issues with snipe.
Take a look at your debuffs. a 10 second minor fracture debuff or a 4 second minor defile debuff + poisoned status means you are getting sniped. When you see that but you don’t see yourself getting hit, go on the defensive, find the snipeblade and focus him