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Why would any human join the Aldmeri Dominion?

Jacarranda
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I'm asking this after questin in Summerset
where you enconter Elise Mallon, a breton, whos also eye of the queen, spying for Ayreen.
which makes me question why would any human would serve Ayreen and the Dominion if their goal is to end human rule across Tamriel.
  • VaranisArano
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    An idea for an Imperial: after watching the empire crumble under the rule of corrupt nobles, illegitimate emperors, and now Necromancers, Queen Ayrenn's belief that she'd sooner trust the Ruby Throne to an Altmer infant than a human actually sounds pretty reasonable. Certainly King Emeric is just going to repeat the mistakes of the first empire, while the Pact is even more disorganized and torn by strife than the nascent Dominion.
  • Karm1cOne
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    Too many people look at this from a perspective of 4th Era Nirn. The aldmeri dominion hasn't been corrupted fully by the bigots in this time. The AD seems the most stable of the 3 factions at this moment. In fact, the dominion lasts until talos brings the numidium to defeat it.
    Edited by Karm1cOne on May 26, 2020 11:24PM
  • Lord_Draevan
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    Karm1cOne wrote: »
    Too many people look at this from a perspective of 4th Era Nirn. The aldmeri dominion hasn't been corrupted fully by the bigots in this time. The AD seems the most stable of the 3 factions at this moment. In fact, the dominion lasts until talos brings the numinium to defeat it.

    IIRC, that's the "Second Dominion" in Talos' day. In ESO it's the "First Dominion", which would imply the First Dominion collapses like the other two alliances.
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  • Sjestenka
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    What do you think about South Point, lore seekers? It's an Imperial settlement in Valenwood. It gets 'Kvatched' in ESO, unfortunately, NPCs can't be talked to about their lives and experience so we're only left with speculation.
    You think these folks would be loyal to whatever emperors are out there in Cyrodiil? Or they're Valenwood subjects and thus citizens of the Dominion? It's definitely not an independent city-state, it's governed by the mayor, not some king
  • Foefaller
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    I could see a human come to the conclusion that Queen Ayrenn would be a better ruler that Emeric or Jorunn, without taking it to the level of thinking Mer would be better at ruling Tamriel then Men.
  • Bruccius
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    An idea for an Imperial: after watching the empire crumble under the rule of corrupt nobles, illegitimate emperors, and now Necromancers, Queen Ayrenn's belief that she'd sooner trust the Ruby Throne to an Altmer infant than a human actually sounds pretty reasonable. Certainly King Emeric is just going to repeat the mistakes of the first empire, while the Pact is even more disorganized and torn by strife than the nascent Dominion.

    Emeric aims to return to the times of the Reman Empire, which up until the Blackwater War, was a pretty damn good thing for all of Tamriel.
  • jadarock
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    For the queen..
  • vestahls
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    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.
    “He is even worse than a n'wah. He is - may Vivec forgive me for uttering this word - a Hlaalu.”
    luv Abnur
    luv Rigurt
    luv Stibbons

    'ate Ayrenn
    'ate Razum-dar
    'ate Khamira

    simple as
  • The_Drop_Bear
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    Karm1cOne wrote: »
    Too many people look at this from a perspective of 4th Era Nirn. The aldmeri dominion hasn't been corrupted fully by the bigots in this time. The AD seems the most stable of the 3 factions at this moment. In fact, the dominion lasts until talos brings the numidium to defeat it.

    The Dominion doesn't last that long. It collapsed. Then around 100 years before Septim another formed, but it had much closer views to the third era dominion
  • The_Drop_Bear
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    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small
  • vestahls
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    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.
    “He is even worse than a n'wah. He is - may Vivec forgive me for uttering this word - a Hlaalu.”
    luv Abnur
    luv Rigurt
    luv Stibbons

    'ate Ayrenn
    'ate Razum-dar
    'ate Khamira

    simple as
  • Aigym_Hlervu
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    Jacarranda wrote: »
    I'm asking this after questin in Summerset
    where you enconter Elise Mallon, a breton, whos also eye of the queen, spying for Ayreen.
    which makes me question why would any human would serve Ayreen and the Dominion if their goal is to end human rule across Tamriel.

    Why did Sai Sahan bothered about the Khajiit and was so devoted to the Empire? How could an Argonian named Counts-the-Clouds become an ALMSIVI priest? There are so many examples both on Nirn and IRL, OP. This is not the thing we should be surprised with. Both worlds are full of absolutely different individuals with different reasons to act the way they do, different views on the world and life. The things we might count as unacceptable may be considered ok by others and vice versa. The Creators of both the worlds seem to like variety much :). So, if you think that human woman is a traitor because she works for the enemy, then why do you still consider her to be a human ;)? You have a sword there - act as you think is right :).
  • The_Drop_Bear
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    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now
  • Bruccius
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    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now

    Based on? Their affinity to magic is a very strong indicator of the elven influence in their blood.
  • PrayingSeraph
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    Bruccius wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now

    Based on? Their affinity to magic is a very strong indicator of the elven influence in their blood.

    I imagine their elven blood has been heavily diluted over time since the direnni no longer exist to breed with. Their features are mostly human.

    Bretons are generally classified as a man not mer race.
  • jamesterj14
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    I actually play an imperial that is loyal to the AD. I like to think that he just feels that men have tried (and failed big time) to control tamriel so why shouldn't the elves be given a shot?
  • Imryll
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    My Breton sorc is exploring the elven side of her heritage. Granted, Bretons are a bit of a special case.

    Beyond that, I can see lots of reasons a human would want to live in Auridon or Summerset: balmy climate, inviting beaches, shady groves, preference for the faults of the Aldmeri races vs. those of the races of the other factions, etc.
  • Bruccius
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    Bruccius wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now

    Based on? Their affinity to magic is a very strong indicator of the elven influence in their blood.

    I imagine their elven blood has been heavily diluted over time since the direnni no longer exist to breed with. Their features are mostly human.

    Bretons are generally classified as a man not mer race.

    As said, if their elven blood was so much weaker, their affinity towards magic would be equally as much weaker.

    They have more of the racial traits of Man, but their magical skills shows clear elven influence.
  • kichwas
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    I think at this point in time, everyone has been under the Empire for a few centuries - an empire that if I recall right was led by a line of Reachmen for the last few generations (but also predates them being in charge).

    Varen was actually an usurper to the throne...

    But my point here is that people have been in one empire for a long time - and so have moved around. Thus while the majority of people in any one territory might be of a particular type, there are those who moved there from other parts of the empire. When things broke up - not everyone wants to or has the ability to return to their ancestral homeland. Especially if they haven't been there in many generations.


    There should actually be more diversity inside the factions. Not as much as the real world post-colonial nations have (where people were relocated en-mass by empires that mostly ended 50-70 years ago) - but more than we see in game.


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    Edited by kichwas on June 1, 2020 8:27PM
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    Super casual player
    Seeking a casual 'lets do some dungeons and world stuff together' guild.
  • The_Drop_Bear
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    Bruccius wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now

    Based on? Their affinity to magic is a very strong indicator of the elven influence in their blood.

    Based on the fact that most bretons have Breton parents, bretons are humans so every generation has less elf blood. The elf blood came from the nedic people of high rock were ruled over and enslaved by the dirreni clan. Which ended in 1E 500. That was 3002 years before ESO.
  • The_Drop_Bear
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    Bruccius wrote: »
    Bruccius wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now

    Based on? Their affinity to magic is a very strong indicator of the elven influence in their blood.

    I imagine their elven blood has been heavily diluted over time since the direnni no longer exist to breed with. Their features are mostly human.

    Bretons are generally classified as a man not mer race.

    As said, if their elven blood was so much weaker, their affinity towards magic would be equally as much weaker.

    They have more of the racial traits of Man, but their magical skills shows clear elven influence.

    The affinity for magic became part of the race. Also of you want to talk about affinity for magic there are far more powerful Nord and imperial mages than there are powerful Breton mages.
  • Bruccius
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    Bruccius wrote: »
    Bruccius wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now

    Based on? Their affinity to magic is a very strong indicator of the elven influence in their blood.

    I imagine their elven blood has been heavily diluted over time since the direnni no longer exist to breed with. Their features are mostly human.

    Bretons are generally classified as a man not mer race.

    As said, if their elven blood was so much weaker, their affinity towards magic would be equally as much weaker.

    They have more of the racial traits of Man, but their magical skills shows clear elven influence.

    The affinity for magic became part of the race. Also of you want to talk about affinity for magic there are far more powerful Nord and imperial mages than there are powerful Breton mages.

    Neither Imperials nor Nords have the same racial affinity to magic that Bretons have.
  • The_Drop_Bear
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    Bruccius wrote: »
    Bruccius wrote: »
    Bruccius wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now

    Based on? Their affinity to magic is a very strong indicator of the elven influence in their blood.

    I imagine their elven blood has been heavily diluted over time since the direnni no longer exist to breed with. Their features are mostly human.

    Bretons are generally classified as a man not mer race.

    As said, if their elven blood was so much weaker, their affinity towards magic would be equally as much weaker.

    They have more of the racial traits of Man, but their magical skills shows clear elven influence.

    The affinity for magic became part of the race. Also of you want to talk about affinity for magic there are far more powerful Nord and imperial mages than there are powerful Breton mages.

    Neither Imperials nor Nords have the same racial affinity to magic that Bretons have.

    Yet one of the most powerful mages of all times was a Nord. And we know of far more powerful Nord mages and imperial mages than we do Breton mages.

    Also did you even read what I said, the affinity for magic is part of Breton race.
  • Phoebe
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    Jacarranda wrote: »
    I'm asking this after questin in Summerset
    where you enconter Elise Mallon, a breton, whos also eye of the queen, spying for Ayreen.
    which makes me question why would any human would serve Ayreen and the Dominion if their goal is to end human rule across Tamriel.
    Probably she was born in Dominion lands or her parents moved there when she was at quite a young age? Or she had elven ancestors?

    For example, my AD breton had a high elf grandmother who helped her after her breton father couldn't care for his 6 children anymore after the death of her mother. She was raised on Auridon since the age of 5.
  • Iccotak
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    Why do Bretons have such affinity for magic?

    It's a fantasy world, you don't have to justify a fantasy world with genetics.

    Bretons have an elven line from thousands of years ago.

    The Reachmen are Bretons & Nords but we clearly identify them is humans and not half-elves.
  • vestahls
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    Bruccius wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now

    Based on? Their affinity to magic is a very strong indicator of the elven influence in their blood.

    Based on the fact that most bretons have Breton parents, bretons are humans so every generation has less elf blood. The elf blood came from the nedic people of high rock were ruled over and enslaved by the dirreni clan. Which ended in 1E 500. That was 3002 years before ESO.

    There originally were no such thing as bretons. Bretons came about from Nedes mixing with elves. One parent from here, one parent from there. This makes them as much humans as they are elves, and mixing among each other doesn't change that.

    Sure, from the game's mechanical standpoint, Bretons are human. But from a lore standpoint, they literally came about from 50% human 50% elf and then carried on from there.
    “He is even worse than a n'wah. He is - may Vivec forgive me for uttering this word - a Hlaalu.”
    luv Abnur
    luv Rigurt
    luv Stibbons

    'ate Ayrenn
    'ate Razum-dar
    'ate Khamira

    simple as
  • PrayingSeraph
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    vestahls wrote: »
    Bruccius wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now

    Based on? Their affinity to magic is a very strong indicator of the elven influence in their blood.

    Based on the fact that most bretons have Breton parents, bretons are humans so every generation has less elf blood. The elf blood came from the nedic people of high rock were ruled over and enslaved by the dirreni clan. Which ended in 1E 500. That was 3002 years before ESO.

    There originally were no such thing as bretons. Bretons came about from Nedes mixing with elves. One parent from here, one parent from there. This makes them as much humans as they are elves, and mixing among each other doesn't change that.

    Sure, from the game's mechanical standpoint, Bretons are human. But from a lore standpoint, they literally came about from 50% human 50% elf and then carried on from there.

    No, its not 50\50. The nedes did mix with the Direnni elves, but the Direnni have long been dead. The breton genepool would have become more human based overtime, given their neighbours.
  • Aigym_Hlervu
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    kichwas wrote: »
    I think at this point in time, everyone has been under the Empire for a few centuries - an empire that if I recall right was led by a line of Reachmen for the last few generations (but also predates them being in charge). .. But my point here is that people have been in one empire for a long time - and so have moved around.

    What a disrespect towards my Morrowind there:).. Not everyone "has been under the Empire" and no matter who ruled it here - Morrowind has never been it's part. We fought the entire Tamriel (since the rest of the lands were under the Empire) alone and we won that war murdering the rulers of that filthy Empire and thus freeing all it's nations of foreign Imperial rule. Now we see their gratitude in Stonefalls, Bal Foyen, Bleakrock, etc. I hope the devs allow us to retaliate in future games. Until then the Pact will teach those former slaves a lesson of gratitude in Cyrodiil.
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    vestahls wrote: »
    Bruccius wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now

    Based on? Their affinity to magic is a very strong indicator of the elven influence in their blood.

    Based on the fact that most bretons have Breton parents, bretons are humans so every generation has less elf blood. The elf blood came from the nedic people of high rock were ruled over and enslaved by the dirreni clan. Which ended in 1E 500. That was 3002 years before ESO.

    There originally were no such thing as bretons. Bretons came about from Nedes mixing with elves. One parent from here, one parent from there. This makes them as much humans as they are elves, and mixing among each other doesn't change that.

    Sure, from the game's mechanical standpoint, Bretons are human. But from a lore standpoint, they literally came about from 50% human 50% elf and then carried on from there.

    No no it doesn't, it came from when the dirreni ruled over the nedes of high rock. When they enslaved them. That ended 3002 years before ESO, since then most bretons have Breton parents. As a result the elven blood in them gets smaller.
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    vestahls wrote: »
    Bruccius wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    vestahls wrote: »
    Being in an era before social media, it's entirely possible the average human doesn't know exactly what AD's stance is on everything - and even if they hear it, they might not believe it.
    Also, AD in ESO is not the same as the AD in the future. They're practically snowflakes now by comparison, I miss Skyrim's Thalmor.

    Also regarding Bretons specifically: they are, technically, half-altmer. So they could feel as much of a belonging in AD as they would in High Rock, even if the Altmer might not necessarily see it that way.

    The lore is filled with peculiar alliances like that. Like, it might seem strange that the divine-worshiping Ayleids joined the Alessian empire, with our retrospective knowledge of what the Alessians do to the Ayleids, but for them it was probably a good idea at the time.

    Bretons aren't half altmer at all, the elf blood in them is quite small

    They aren't called Manmer for nothing.

    They aren't called manmer, other than as a slur. The elf blood in them came from 1000's of years ago, it's very weak now

    Based on? Their affinity to magic is a very strong indicator of the elven influence in their blood.

    Based on the fact that most bretons have Breton parents, bretons are humans so every generation has less elf blood. The elf blood came from the nedic people of high rock were ruled over and enslaved by the dirreni clan. Which ended in 1E 500. That was 3002 years before ESO.

    There originally were no such thing as bretons. Bretons came about from Nedes mixing with elves. One parent from here, one parent from there. This makes them as much humans as they are elves, and mixing among each other doesn't change that.

    Sure, from the game's mechanical standpoint, Bretons are human. But from a lore standpoint, they literally came about from 50% human 50% elf and then carried on from there.

    Originally yes, but every generation the elf blood in them shrinks as their parents are human. And they have had 3002 years. Think about it what happens when you times 1/2 by 1/2 you get 1/4.
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