So they finally nerfed Sorcerer
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PvP: Malacath's Band of Brutality will be used by every class except for Sorcerers since it conflicts with Critical Surge.
PvE: Blood for Blood will be the main Magicka spammable except for Sorcerers since it doesn't proc Crystal Fragments.
I don't know if pets benefitting from Bloodthirsty will help enough
PvE: Blood for Blood will be the main Magicka spammable except for Sorcerers since it doesn't proc Crystal Fragments.
I don't know if pets benefitting from Bloodthirsty will help enough
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✭rotaugen454 wrote: »So, every Magicka character will be a vampire?
Apparently yes.
The funniest part is: This whole vampire rework was to make being vampire more important of a choice instead of BiS in PvE due to 10% recovery. But it only got worse since it increases sustain by much more thanks to health cost spammable and also increases damage.Edited by MrBrownstone on May 26, 2020 1:21PM5 -
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✭Being a Vampire was never an option for me as a Mage Sorcerer in PVP, the downs far outweigh the good points of that route.
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✭Knightpanther wrote: »Being a Vampire was never an option for me as a Mage Sorcerer in PVP, the downs far outweigh the good points of that route.
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I don't understand how is this related? The vampire part is about PvE.3 -
Eifleber✭✭✭✭✭Happily the game isn' t just about stats for everyone ..
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✭Still not enough to convince me to turn any of my characters into a bloodsucker (sorcerers or otherwise).PC-EU8 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Happily the game isn' t just about stats for everyone ..
i wanted to call you an infidel and run away but someone might mistake it for something other than the intended humor.MrBrownstone wrote: »PvP: Malacath's Band of Brutality will be used by every class except for Sorcerers since it conflicts with Critical Surge.
PvE: Blood for Blood will be the main Magicka spammable except for Sorcerers since it doesn't proc Crystal Fragments.
I don't know if pets benefitting from Bloodthirsty will help enough
How are these a nerf to sorc and not a buff to others? erm?? is this thing on?rotaugen454 wrote: »So, every Magicka character will be a vampire?
every magicka night blade thief will be?Edited by Lady_Linux on May 26, 2020 1:28PMI simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
BTW, I use arch too0 -
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Sometimes we do agree!MrBrownstone wrote: »I don't use pets because I hate them so I gimp my damage already.
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BRCOURTN✭✭✭✭✭Luckily Magblades got a buff with all their self healing and the vsmp skill that requires it. Yeah!2 -
Seravi✭✭✭✭✭Wow well I have two vet Templars, one magic one stamina based. My stam gal is a vamp the other is not. Seriously don't want to turn my magic gal just for stats. She can survive quite well as it is now and recover her magic as needed. My stam gal is a beast, no pun intended, LOL! Will have to see how the rework effects her and decide if she needs to be human again.
So the new classes Warden and Necro, will they need to be vamps? I just came back to the game and haven't made either class yet. Was waiting until Greymoor dropped.
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McGordon✭✭✭Since when Critical Surge is a must have for sorc?
Nobody force u to use Malacath's Band of Brutality that simple. Stick with your old build and keep rolling.
No nerf here, just more options for different builds.0 -
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✭Wow well I have two vet Templars, one magic one stamina based. My stam gal is a vamp the other is not. Seriously don't want to turn my magic gal just for stats. She can survive quite well as it is now and recover her magic as needed. My stam gal is a beast, no pun intended, LOL! Will have to see how the rework effects her and decide if she needs to be human again.
So the new classes Warden and Necro, will they need to be vamps? I just came back to the game and haven't made either class yet. Was waiting until Greymoor dropped.
Necro works very well with vampy0 -
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✭Since when Critical Surge is a must have for sorc?
Nobody force u to use Malacath's Band of Brutality that simple. Stick with your old build and keep rolling.
No nerf here, just more options for different builds.
Sorcerer relies on burst much more than most classes so a consistent damage boost instead of unreliable crits is way more important. Nobody is forcing me to use any gear at all so maybe I should play naked0 -
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✭MrBrownstone wrote: »
I don't understand how is this related? The vampire part is about PvE.
If you are a vampire in PVE, you are a vampire in PVP7 -
Castian✭✭✭MrBrownstone wrote: »
Apparently yes.
The funniest part is: This whole vampire rework was to make being vampire more important of a choice instead of BiS in PvE due to 10% recovery. But it only got worse since it increases sustain by much more thanks to health cost spammable and also increases damage.
Did I miss a detail in the fine print? How is it increasing sustain? I thought the one ability just returned some of your health when you turned it off.0 -
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Did I miss a detail in the fine print? How is it increasing sustain? I thought the one ability just returned some of your health when you turned it off.
Because the vampire spammable uses health to cast, not mag or stam, and hence your overall main resource sustain is improved. Zero cost for main spammable in your rotation is a pretty big sustain boost.
And yes, there are downsides to using HP, but your question was how could it help sustain.4 -
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Same, but it seems the devs really want people to play vampire.
I don't know why that would be a desire since the majority of players were already Vampires.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭THis is the second post I have seen you make about how much you don't like the new vamp stuff cause you think it's too strong. There is a very real risk of dying using vampire abilities, not just because of the short range but also because of the health cost, yeah your burst numbers are high but most classes won't keep up on the sustained dps. Warden and Necromancer with their high passive healing probably will be able to sustain it the best, and they were both on the lower end of magicka dps to begin with.
I think you need to take a minute to calm down, this won't be the dramatic world ender you think. Most people will not run vampire. And the ones that do will mostly be burst set ups or aoe set ups. Sorc with out blood for blood is still a super high dps that can stay a safe distance away from melee boss mechanics. You won't need it to stay high up on the dps totem pole.0 -
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Same, but it seems the devs really want people to play vampire.
They really want to sell vampire line in the crown store.0 -
Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭THis is the second post I have seen you make about how much you don't like the new vamp stuff cause you think it's too strong. There is a very real risk of dying using vampire abilities, not just because of the short range but also because of the health cost, yeah your burst numbers are high but most classes won't keep up on the sustained dps. Warden and Necromancer with their high passive healing probably will be able to sustain it the best, and they were both on the lower end of magicka dps to begin with.
I think you need to take a minute to calm down, this won't be the dramatic world ender you think. Most people will not run vampire. And the ones that do will mostly be burst set ups or aoe set ups. Sorc with out blood for blood is still a super high dps that can stay a safe distance away from melee boss mechanics. You won't need it to stay high up on the dps totem pole.
Not disagreeing with spirit of your post but your example justification is flat wrong. E.g. re: warden and necro on lower end of mag dps.
Mag warden was nearly tied with mag dk as top mag dps in harrowstorm (look at liko, skinny cheeks, etc parses - mag warden is basically tied or just barely behind mag dk as #1 mag dps). You might be confusing mag warden to low dps state after it launched.
Mag necro same thing, at launch and before blastbones fixes, it was low end, but with harrowstorm was upper middle. Magsorc actually had lowest dps (for pve, still S+ tier in pvp)0 -
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✭✭✭Knightpanther wrote: »
Resto sorcs use Rapid Regen, it's more reliable. Critsurge has the drawback of being useless if you're not dealing damage, so streaking behind cover for heals is ineffective. You should combine Critsurge with a DoT, but sorcs only have Boundless for that, which is very short-ranged.1
