Ilambris in Greymoor - Add a Frost meteor shower?

Vaoh

Would you like for Ilambris to also have an option for a Frost meteor shower?

As of the Greymoor patch, Ilambris can no longer proc more than one meteor shower. However, the damage of each meteor shower was increased to compensate. Here is Ilambris updated for Greymoor:

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Ilambris
(1 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(2 items) When you deal Flame or Shock Damage, you have a 33% chance to summon a meteor shower of the damage type that deals 2015 Damage to all enemies within 4 meters every 1 seconds for 5 seconds. Each effect can occur once every 8 seconds.
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The benefit: Ilambris can become the first monster set designated for a Frost Damage Dealer build.
The downside: The Ilambris twins were two Daedra. One used shock magic and the other used fire magic, allthough we have seen monster sets with abilities not particularly the same as the bosses they come from.

Proposed Ilambris:
(1 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(2 items) When you deal Flame, Shock, or Frost Damage, you have a 33% chance to summon a meteor shower of the damage type that deals 2015 Damage to all enemies within 4 meters every 1 seconds for 5 seconds. Each effect can occur once every 8 seconds.

Hanokihs

No

Well it's based on the actual guys, right? No frost brother, so...

Besides, we already have a frost meteor - why make the mage's guild skill even more obsolete?

MashmalloMan

No

Yes because it would be cool, but actually no.. because it makes no sense for Ilambris, they're fire and shock. There is no ice element so it will never happen.

A better ask is to introduce more Ice themed dps sets. To be honest, this update is a huge dissapointment for me in that way. I expected way more class identity changes thinking they held off in U25 because we would be blown away by what was being prepared for U26. For whatever reason they skipped both udpates, with many saying it's due to performance fixes. However, the combat team should not be in charge of performance so whatever is going on, it left a dry taste in my mouth.

Warden's received numerous, but gradual ice dps buffs over the past few patches. I thought what better way to further support those ideas by creating new ice dps sets during a chapter that takes place in the coldest part of the Elder Scrolls universe, updating destruction staves, maybe warden companions that no longer function as Morrowind styled promotional material, yet here we are.

I think the fact that a part of the staff is working on a new game is starting to show. This game is falling apart.

redspecter23

No

Illambris is based on the monster twins. They each channel a different element. Fire and Lightning. It wouldn't make thematic sense to include frost.

That being said, I'm not against a new set that does similar to what you're suggesting. I just don't think Illambris is the place to put it.

Mr_Wolfe

Yes

I'm surprised at the number of "no" votes. Personally I think it'd be a nice improvement. Frost damage could use some love, especially now that we have two (paid!) classes with skills that use the damage type. Since the set can't multi-proc anymore, there's no real reason to leave frost out.

As for there not being an ice twin, it doesn't take too much imagination to reason that the set simply creates a meteor storm of whatever element the wearer is channeling. For the Illambris twins, that was fire and lightning, for a warden or necromancer, (or anybody with an ice staff) it's frost.

vailjohn_ESO

Yes

Sure, all the attention goes to the Twins. But true Loremasters are aware of their younger brother, Ilambris-Steve, who is a master of Frost and Soufflés (the soufflé thing being superfluous to this discussion, but important to Steve). Here's an image showing the 3 brothers together, and it even has the Official Loremaster Seal of Approval, so don't even try to deny it's authenticity! 😁

MashmalloMan

No

Mr_Wolfe wrote: »

I'm surprised at the number of "no" votes. Personally I think it'd be a nice improvement. Frost damage could use some love, especially now that we have two (paid!) classes with skills that use the damage type. Since the set can't multi-proc anymore, there's no real reason to leave frost out.

I don't think most people are against ice dps getting some more tools. It's more about the theme of the set.

Mr_Wolfe wrote: »

As for there not being an ice twin, it doesn't take too much imagination to reason that the set simply creates a meteor storm of whatever element the wearer is channeling. For the Illambris twins, that was fire and lightning, for a warden or necromancer, (or anybody with an ice staff) it's frost.

While this explanation works, it's a bit of a stretch and can be applied to most sets in the game which doesn't make it a solid argument for ZOS to consider. If anything, frost needs to be more fleshed out with it's own unique Monster sets.

Frankly the poll is too rigid and gives the wrong impression. I'm sure most of us want more thematic monster set options rather than using the same 2-3 for years. This update was pretty good for the damage side of monster sets and providing better options amongst what is already available, even if the cc/utility/tank side of the equation was pretty undertuned.

Banana

Yes

Don't see why not

Olupajmibanan

No

Brand new ice themed set is the option you should ask for.

Don't blame people that do not agree with ruining the theme of an existing one. All monster sets are thematicaly linked to their respective bosses, Earthgore doing the blood rain/pool, Grothdarr making lava balls swirling around you, Nerienth doing Lich Crystals and so on. How would Ice meteor shower anyhow link the set with Ilambris twins?

Anhedonie

No

Only if they add a golden shower as well.

Wuuffyy

Yes

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Brand new ice themed set is the option you should ask for.

Don't blame people that do not agree with ruining the theme of an existing one. All monster sets are thematicaly linked to their respective bosses, Earthgore doing the blood rain/pool, Grothdarr making lava balls swirling around you, Nerienth doing Lich Crystals and so on. How would Ice meteor shower anyhow link the set with Ilambris twins?

How does this ruin the theme of the set? ZOS already did that.

Eifleber

Yes

I voted yes bit more from the perspective that Ice/Frost needs a LOT more love.

YandereGirlfriend

Yes

I voted "yes" but recognize that it's a set derived from the bosses and that neither of them use Frost.

It's a vote on the principle that Frost Mages exist and that they should have an offensive Monster hat like every other type of magic damage in the game.

Chaos2088

No

Some new monster sets should be added with lighting and frost damage focus to them.

So many with fire. Mix it up! Also some Magicka poison ones would be interesting..

MashmalloMan

No

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I voted "yes" but recognize that it's a set derived from the bosses and that neither of them use Frost.

It's a vote on the principle that Frost Mages exist and that they should have an offensive Monster hat like every other type of magic damage in the game.

Unfortunately we only get 4 monster sets a year and ZOS wants to spend them on sets that barely get used and fall dead on arrival like Grundwulf, Kjalnar's Nightmare, Stonekeeper, and Domihaus. Funny enough, 2 of those got even worse this update when they were already barely used. Now they're already dipping into releasing duplicate, slightly tweaked sets like Mother Ciannait, but nerfing it's base game counter part in all the wrong ways in Iceheart..

It would be nice if ZOS broke away from their 5-6 year dlc content release formula for a change in a possitive way, still salty there was no arena in Q4s Zone DLC.. That is not the type of break in formality I'm looking for.

Here's to hoping U27 actually brings some cool Ice themed damage sets. Ilambris won't fill the gap ice mages are looking for, even it would be cool, there is no evidence in the game that they would consider going against the design of the bosses they come from.

Nemesis7884

Yes

there isnt rerally anny frost dd monster helmet so i think that would be a good idea....

universal_wrath

Yes

Vaoh wrote: »

Would you like for Ilambris to also have an option for a Frost meteor shower?

As of the Greymoor patch, Ilambris can no longer proc more than one meteor shower. However, the damage of each meteor shower was increased to compensate. Here is Ilambris updated for Greymoor:

—————
Ilambris
(1 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(2 items) When you deal Flame or Shock Damage, you have a 33% chance to summon a meteor shower of the damage type that deals 2015 Damage to all enemies within 4 meters every 1 seconds for 5 seconds. Each effect can occur once every 8 seconds.
—————

The benefit: Ilambris can become the first monster set designated for a Frost Damage Dealer build.
The downside: The Ilambris twins were two Daedra. One used shock magic and the other used fire magic, allthough we have seen monster sets with abilities not particularly the same as the bosses they come from.

Proposed Ilambris:
(1 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(2 items) When you deal Flame, Shock, or Frost Damage, you have a 33% chance to summon a meteor shower of the damage type that deals 2015 Damage to all enemies within 4 meters every 1 seconds for 5 seconds. Each effect can occur once every 8 seconds.

When monster sets first intriduced to game, illambris only had fire and lightning meteor shower as iy is on live. It used to be better with higher dmg than it is now on live. Later on, zos added frost meteor shower. Illambris then proc all 3 element with higher dmg than current version, it was BIS and it is 1 of reason why magsorc was top dps back then. Then, zos removed frost meteor shower because it made sorcs too good as they were only class to use it, and reduced the set dmg as well. Now the set as it is now good for all class no just sorcs. Next patch it will only benefit magdk of all classes.

Nemesis7884

Yes

universal_wrath wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Would you like for Ilambris to also have an option for a Frost meteor shower?

As of the Greymoor patch, Ilambris can no longer proc more than one meteor shower. However, the damage of each meteor shower was increased to compensate. Here is Ilambris updated for Greymoor:

—————
Ilambris
(1 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(2 items) When you deal Flame or Shock Damage, you have a 33% chance to summon a meteor shower of the damage type that deals 2015 Damage to all enemies within 4 meters every 1 seconds for 5 seconds. Each effect can occur once every 8 seconds.
—————

The benefit: Ilambris can become the first monster set designated for a Frost Damage Dealer build.
The downside: The Ilambris twins were two Daedra. One used shock magic and the other used fire magic, allthough we have seen monster sets with abilities not particularly the same as the bosses they come from.

Proposed Ilambris:
(1 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(2 items) When you deal Flame, Shock, or Frost Damage, you have a 33% chance to summon a meteor shower of the damage type that deals 2015 Damage to all enemies within 4 meters every 1 seconds for 5 seconds. Each effect can occur once every 8 seconds.

When monster sets first intriduced to game, illambris only had fire and lightning meteor shower as iy is on live. It used to be better with higher dmg than it is now on live. Later on, zos added frost meteor shower. Illambris then proc all 3 element with higher dmg than current version, it was BIS and it is 1 of reason why magsorc was top dps back then. Then, zos removed frost meteor shower because it made sorcs too good as they were only class to use it, and reduced the set dmg as well. Now the set as it is now good for all class no just sorcs. Next patch it will only benefit magdk of all classes.

thats another reason to add back the frost meteor shower... so wardens will have a decent frost themed damage set as well...

LtSnowballin

No

As the set is supposed to be for the twins, I think it's great to keep the set how it is already, plus it already has gotten a HUGE damage boost, performing on par, better in some cases than Zaan on stable bosses.

ThePedge

No

Ilambris twins of Fire and Lightning.

Also it would be useless as Frost staffs are only used by tanks, if at all.

gepe87

No

Ilambris-Zaven and Ilambris-Athor. Lighting and Fire.

No frost brother.

Wuuffyy

Yes

ThePedge wrote: »

Ilambris twins of Fire and Lightning.

Also it would be useless as Frost staffs are only used by tanks, if at all.

gepe87 wrote: »

Ilambris-Zaven and Ilambris-Athor. Lighting and Fire.

No frost brother.

Okay. But should this nonsense really get in the way of game balance and options?

universal_wrath

Yes

gepe87 wrote: »

Ilambris-Zaven and Ilambris-Athor. Lighting and Fire.

No frost brother.

Zaan the scale caller has frost dot and poison aoe from statue, but only get flame beam on monster set. Ice heart should stun, and deals more dmg because frost atronach is alway do stuns and never spawn dmg shields. Bloodspawn does bleed dmg and sometimes aoe dmg, but monster set grant ultimate and resistance. Lord warden orb zap and snare targets, but monster set grant aoe resistance... and so on for many monster sets. Why illambris is only exception? They can atleast let us have both showers together or highest dmg shower,m. PTS illambris only boosts magdk while other classes are falling behind when using it, jist because magdk wear elfbane.

richo262

vailjohn_ESO wrote: »

Sure, all the attention goes to the Twins. But true Loremasters are aware of their younger brother, Ilambris-Steve, who is a master of Frost and Soufflés (the soufflé thing being superfluous to this discussion, but important to Steve). Here's an image showing the 3 brothers together, and it even has the Official Loremaster Seal of Approval, so don't even try to deny it's authenticity! 😁

I think this matter has been settled. I look forward to seeing my monster helm proc a soufflé shower.

kojou

No

vailjohn_ESO wrote: »

Sure, all the attention goes to the Twins. But true Loremasters are aware of their younger brother, Ilambris-Steve, who is a master of Frost and Soufflés (the soufflé thing being superfluous to this discussion, but important to Steve). Here's an image showing the 3 brothers together, and it even has the Official Loremaster Seal of Approval, so don't even try to deny it's authenticity! 😁

This made my morning. I almost spit coffee on my keyboard.

Olupajmibanan

No

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

Ilambris twins of Fire and Lightning.

Also it would be useless as Frost staffs are only used by tanks, if at all.

gepe87 wrote: »

Ilambris-Zaven and Ilambris-Athor. Lighting and Fire.

No frost brother.

Okay. But should this nonsense really get in the way of game balance and options?

Why don't you focus on asking for new Ice themed monster set then? That's the absolutely best option from all standpoints with no disadvantages other than having to convince ZoS, but somehow you guys focus on sub-optimal solution that has a lot of draw backs.

Celestro

No

Not at all for the reasons pointed out by MashmalloMan and others. Stop trying to make fetch happen.