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Any news about this "experiment" on BG's?
Commandment
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It's been about 2 months since me and a few friends stopped playing, is there any news about reverting it back to normal for the new greymoor patch. Or was saying it was an "experiment" just a way to ghost in a big change. Surely 2 months on a "Live" server should be enough.
I'm guessing if they don't revert it back during the release of greymoor, they have no intentions of letting friends play together in a mmo rpg, and may continue these for different aspects of the game under the guise of "experiments". Don't be surprised if it happens, if you laugh at people who want to play with there friends in bg and enjoy, wait until they touch your favorite aspects of the game. Don't worry though, it's just an experiment with an undefinable date or time for how LONG it will be. Just wait.
I/We can only hope ZOS makes the right decision. It would be nice if they just stated it was the new change instead of an experiment, at least I would not have to check up on it anymore Lol.
I'm guessing if they don't revert it back during the release of greymoor, they have no intentions of letting friends play together in a mmo rpg, and may continue these for different aspects of the game under the guise of "experiments". Don't be surprised if it happens, if you laugh at people who want to play with there friends in bg and enjoy, wait until they touch your favorite aspects of the game. Don't worry though, it's just an experiment with an undefinable date or time for how LONG it will be. Just wait.
I/We can only hope ZOS makes the right decision. It would be nice if they just stated it was the new change instead of an experiment, at least I would not have to check up on it anymore Lol.
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Weesacs✭✭✭✭I do think they need to introduce a group queue however I don't see them 'reverting' the current system based on what I'm seeing on PS4 EU leaderboards. Before the change you would be lucky to see scores of over 200k. However with that score now you would be lucky to hit top 10.
BGs are much more popular now than they used to be going solely on this evidence.High Elf Templar
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shrekt4303✭✭I've been trying to queue at the same time as my buddy to get placed in the same match. It works, but we are always on different teams lol. I'm more of a fan of allowing duo queue rather than a separate group queue because it will make both queues longer by splitting the population up. Now if they had a ranked system that was solo only and an unranked that allowed groups I'd be okay with that too. Bgs is so lame by myself.1 -
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the experiment is successful. why change something? of course, they should add a separate queue for 2-4 groupsPC/EU CP 1200+
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✭shrekt4303 wrote: »I've been trying to queue at the same time as my buddy to get placed in the same match. It works, but we are always on different teams lol. I'm more of a fan of allowing duo queue rather than a separate group queue because it will make both queues longer by splitting the population up. Now if they had a ranked system that was solo only and an unranked that allowed groups I'd be okay with that too. Bgs is so lame by myself.
Why ranked solo? It is a TEAM BASED MODE! Unranked (casual) should be solo and a ranked mode where people come up with strategies together like the mode was designed for should be ranked.4 -
Commandment wrote: »
I/We can only hope ZOS makes the right decision. It would be nice if they just stated it was the new change instead of an experiment, at least I would not have to check up on it anymore Lol.
Lol the only reason I read this was because I was checking up on it. Bring back group BGs!!
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RedTalon✭✭✭✭✭Have a feeling they are going to go with groups vs groups and solos vs solos, but we will see given have been a lot more people playing since groups peeled off. So my bet is two different bgs types.,0 -
Commandment✭✭✭I do think they need to introduce a group queue however I don't see them 'reverting' the current system based on what I'm seeing on PS4 EU leaderboards. Before the change you would be lucky to see scores of over 200k. However with that score now you would be lucky to hit top 10.
BGs are much more popular now than they used to be going solely on this evidence.
Leaderboards change all the time, thats not really proof of anything.the experiment is successful. why change something? of course, they should add a separate queue for 2-4 groups
Is there proof or statistics showing it's successful?
Based on a good amount of BG's after patch, BG's were more or less the same, people running sweaty builds, one team dominating over both teams. Only difference is you have no friends you can play with.
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Berek_Bloodfang✭✭✭Commandment wrote: »It's been about 2 months since me and a few friends stopped playing, is there any news about reverting it back to normal for the new greymoor patch. Or was saying it was an "experiment" just a way to ghost in a big change. Surely 2 months on a "Live" server should be enough.
I'm guessing if they don't revert it back during the release of greymoor, they have no intentions of letting friends play together in a mmo rpg, and may continue these for different aspects of the game under the guise of "experiments". Don't be surprised if it happens, if you laugh at people who want to play with there friends in bg and enjoy, wait until they touch your favorite aspects of the game. Don't worry though, it's just an experiment with an undefinable date or time for how LONG it will be. Just wait.
I/We can only hope ZOS makes the right decision. It would be nice if they just stated it was the new change instead of an experiment, at least I would not have to check up on it anymore Lol.
Just in, ZoS is planning to remove group queue from Dungeons as well (as an experiment) to determine if this is the route cause of all of the latency...
A few months go by, a massive spike of people quitting, their response.... "Yep that was the problem, the latency and server load as been fixed, no we have no plans to add group queuing of any kind going forward.".1 -
VoidCommander✭✭✭✭✭I definitely prefer solo queue. Games are actually close now instead of the pugged group getting steamrolled every time. Sure rolling with my guildmates resulted in me being the one stomping on everyone, but I knew it wasn’t fair to people pugging.4 -
Commandment✭✭✭VoidCommander wrote: »I definitely prefer solo queue. Games are actually close now instead of the pugged group getting steamrolled every time. Sure rolling with my guildmates resulted in me being the one stomping on everyone, but I knew it wasn’t fair to people pugging.
Define close? If everyone is about the to reach the objective cap, then that must be a long game Lol.
Joining someone does not guarantee a win if you all suck either, as you can see a group that just works well together can easily dominate a field. Especially one full of sweaty builds.1 -
precambria✭✭✭✭✭It's been an overwhelming failure and even the people who fully supported solo only BG have now recanted or at the very least constantly talk about how their team is trash without admitting the reason is because of MMR reset and the fact TONS of good players quit BG over this. Reality is there were not that many premades to begin with and now the quality of players in the queue is significantly lower.2 -
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✭precambria wrote: »It's been an overwhelming failure and even the people who fully supported solo only BG have now recanted or at the very least constantly talk about how their team is trash without admitting the reason is because of MMR reset and the fact TONS of good players quit BG over this. Reality is there were not that many premades to begin with and now the quality of players in the queue is significantly lower.
As a general rule, one should avoid speaking for other unless specifically authorized to do so. I support solo queue only over the previous system and haven't recanted, nor do I talk about the quality of my teammates much at all.
The current system is an improvement over the former imo, but I think allowing solos and duos to queue would be optimal.“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Add separate queues and let leaderboards be group queue only. And then improve the leaderboard rewards significantly. Would make BG's alot more competitive.
You wanna solo? Then no leaderboard for you. I think that would be a fair trade off.2 -
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✭✭✭precambria wrote: »It's been an overwhelming failure and even the people who fully supported solo only BG have now recanted or at the very least constantly talk about how their team is trash without admitting the reason is because of MMR reset and the fact TONS of good players quit BG over this. Reality is there were not that many premades to begin with and now the quality of players in the queue is significantly lower.
And you get your information from where? Oh your arse, okay.
I fully support grp v grp queues. Not pre-made groups with dedicated healer and stacking aoes vs pugs. At least grp v grp would be challenging.2 -
Commandment✭✭✭precambria wrote: »It's been an overwhelming failure and even the people who fully supported solo only BG have now recanted or at the very least constantly talk about how their team is trash without admitting the reason is because of MMR reset and the fact TONS of good players quit BG over this. Reality is there were not that many premades to begin with and now the quality of players in the queue is significantly lower.
And you get your information from where? Oh your arse, okay.
I fully support grp v grp queues. Not pre-made groups with dedicated healer and stacking aoes vs pugs. At least grp v grp would be challenging.
Most of the forums "was" complaining it more than praising it, it got so bad that they started removing threads stating "these threads are duplicates"
Only 1 thread atm about someone liking the change, but it's mostly full of mixed feelings and people trolling people who wants to play mmo with friends.1 -
Lole✭✭✭Commandment wrote: »precambria wrote: »It's been an overwhelming failure and even the people who fully supported solo only BG have now recanted or at the very least constantly talk about how their team is trash without admitting the reason is because of MMR reset and the fact TONS of good players quit BG over this. Reality is there were not that many premades to begin with and now the quality of players in the queue is significantly lower.
And you get your information from where? Oh your arse, okay.
I fully support grp v grp queues. Not pre-made groups with dedicated healer and stacking aoes vs pugs. At least grp v grp would be challenging.
Most of the forums "was" complaining it more than praising it, it got so bad that they started removing threads stating "these threads are duplicates"
Only 1 thread atm about someone liking the change, but it's mostly full of mixed feelings and people trolling people who wants to play mmo with friends.
And how much of the population is actually on the forums?
I am pretty sure the sides on yes or no are very similar...Or probably even pro solo
We shouldn’t forget that zos has the numbers, and either they see an increase of people playing pvp or not and since they didn’t revoke it, I am assuming the numbers did raise
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RedTalon✭✭✭✭✭Commandment wrote: »precambria wrote: »It's been an overwhelming failure and even the people who fully supported solo only BG have now recanted or at the very least constantly talk about how their team is trash without admitting the reason is because of MMR reset and the fact TONS of good players quit BG over this. Reality is there were not that many premades to begin with and now the quality of players in the queue is significantly lower.
And you get your information from where? Oh your arse, okay.
I fully support grp v grp queues. Not pre-made groups with dedicated healer and stacking aoes vs pugs. At least grp v grp would be challenging.
Most of the forums "was" complaining it more than praising it, it got so bad that they started removing threads stating "these threads are duplicates"
Only 1 thread atm about someone liking the change, but it's mostly full of mixed feelings and people trolling people who wants to play mmo with friends.
And how much of the population is actually on the forums?
I am pretty sure the sides on yes or no are very similar...Or probably even pro solo
We shouldn’t forget that zos has the numbers, and either they see an increase of people playing pvp or not and since they didn’t revoke it, I am assuming the numbers did raise
Forums for games are always more for complaining, is something most devs keep in mind why they send out random questioners and assume other ways of collecting numbers and feed back also.
But we will see how they handle this one.
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Comicman✭✭Commandment wrote: »Most of the forums "was" complaining it more than praising it, it got so bad that they started removing threads stating "these threads are duplicates"
Only 1 thread atm about someone liking the change, but it's mostly full of mixed feelings and people trolling people who wants to play mmo with friends.
I guess by "most" people you mean the 10 same guys who keep making the same comments on every single post regarding BGs, how everyone should be forced in the same queue, and how NONPREMADE groups make ESO single player game and not MMO(which is simply not true). If you read their comments carefully you can see most of them aren't even interested in having the second queue for premade, they only want this change reverted, so they can feel superior again beating nonorganized groups.
The truth is BG queues have never been faster, which might indicate that MORE people are doing BGs now, therefore one might get the idea the change is welcomed by the majority. It also might be cuz having odd number of groups of 2-4 premade players was just simply slowing the queue. But we can only guess, ZOS does have the real numbers. In any case, I think a faster queue is welcomed change especially for casual players who just want to jump into action.
Even though I do enjoy this change and think BGs are much better now. I do understand that people want to play with their friends so I am up for adding queues for groups only. But I don't see a single reason why should everyone be forced in one queue. And if the "premade" queues won't be active and you will just have to wait a long time in a queue, it is simple as that. But since you guys are saying that there are SO MANY players who want that I think you shouldn't be worried it won't be active right??1 -
AOECAPS✭✭✭✭Didn’t play BGs much before the change since I was away for so long. But BGs are a joke getting people doing under 50k damage regularly or ending world hunger (0-10 or worse) don’t even have a chance at a decent competitive game
.truly sucks when the only other alternatives are empty(IC) or unplayable(Cyro)2 -
precambria✭✭✭✭✭precambria wrote: »It's been an overwhelming failure and even the people who fully supported solo only BG have now recanted or at the very least constantly talk about how their team is trash without admitting the reason is because of MMR reset and the fact TONS of good players quit BG over this. Reality is there were not that many premades to begin with and now the quality of players in the queue is significantly lower.
And you get your information from where? Oh your arse, okay.
I fully support grp v grp queues. Not pre-made groups with dedicated healer and stacking aoes vs pugs. At least grp v grp would be challenging.
Being consistently the highest playtime player to do BGs on PC NA for many months, being in a guild focused entirely on battlegrounds and from talking to countless players in high MMR both prior to and after the reset.0 -
Commandment✭✭✭Commandment wrote: »Most of the forums "was" complaining it more than praising it, it got so bad that they started removing threads stating "these threads are duplicates"
Only 1 thread atm about someone liking the change, but it's mostly full of mixed feelings and people trolling people who wants to play mmo with friends.
I guess by "most" people you mean the 10 same guys who keep making the same comments on every single post regarding BGs, how everyone should be forced in the same queue, and how NONPREMADE groups make ESO single player game and not MMO(which is simply not true). If you read their comments carefully you can see most of them aren't even interested in having the second queue for premade, they only want this change reverted, so they can feel superior again beating nonorganized groups.
The truth is BG queues have never been faster, which might indicate that MORE people are doing BGs now, therefore one might get the idea the change is welcomed by the majority. It also might be cuz having odd number of groups of 2-4 premade players was just simply slowing the queue. But we can only guess, ZOS does have the real numbers. In any case, I think a faster queue is welcomed change especially for casual players who just want to jump into action.
Even though I do enjoy this change and think BGs are much better now. I do understand that people want to play with their friends so I am up for adding queues for groups only. But I don't see a single reason why should everyone be forced in one queue. And if the "premade" queues won't be active and you will just have to wait a long time in a queue, it is simple as that. But since you guys are saying that there are SO MANY players who want that I think you shouldn't be worried it won't be active right??
You do realize the forums only consist of a really small part of the community don't you? A lot of people didn't even know the change was going to happen when i told people in-game. More outrage than praise. So I'm not sure about these 10 people you speak of. Most people are reluctant to sign up because you literally have to research how to get into these forums, and create a ticket, and wait for that ticket to be approved just to join. Most people with the worst ideas and feedback, are the main people that talk on these forums. All the people who enjoy the game, are usually just quiet.
Bg's are the same. The more higher your MMR gets, the less games you will see. So there isnt much truth to that.
The old BG's worked, I don't know about this "I want to beat nonorganized groups" mentality you speak off, but I'm sure that goes for all players alike, hoping there enemies are stupid. Premades werent even a plague. Even if you run solo and your group smashes people you will still get hate whispers of being in a "premade". At the end of the day it's just an excuse. Even in current BG's, if a group of sweaty build characters with some decent knowledge work together, they will smash everyone, now everyone is just blaming each other to cover how much they suck. It's more toxic.
The thing that made BG's unbearable was not joining a match that don't start, and a match where your stuck at 2 people.
If they can't handle losing in a match maybe PVP, or any competitive game isnt something they should play. 2-3 extra people isnt hard to find, there are many guilds you could join to achieve this. But oh wait, It's best to be a hardcore soloist, and everyone should play your game, and your rules.3 -
Commandment wrote: »Most of the forums "was" complaining it more than praising it, it got so bad that they started removing threads stating "these threads are duplicates"
Only 1 thread atm about someone liking the change, but it's mostly full of mixed feelings and people trolling people who wants to play mmo with friends.
I guess by "most" people you mean the 10 same guys who keep making the same comments on every single post regarding BGs, how everyone should be forced in the same queue, and how NONPREMADE groups make ESO single player game and not MMO(which is simply not true). If you read their comments carefully you can see most of them aren't even interested in having the second queue for premade, they only want this change reverted, so they can feel superior again beating nonorganized groups.
The truth is BG queues have never been faster, which might indicate that MORE people are doing BGs now, therefore one might get the idea the change is welcomed by the majority. It also might be cuz having odd number of groups of 2-4 premade players was just simply slowing the queue. But we can only guess, ZOS does have the real numbers. In any case, I think a faster queue is welcomed change especially for casual players who just want to jump into action.
Even though I do enjoy this change and think BGs are much better now. I do understand that people want to play with their friends so I am up for adding queues for groups only. But I don't see a single reason why should everyone be forced in one queue. And if the "premade" queues won't be active and you will just have to wait a long time in a queue, it is simple as that. But since you guys are saying that there are SO MANY players who want that I think you shouldn't be worried it won't be active right??
This is the first MMO I have ever seen that took away the ability for a GROUP to que for a GROUP event. SWTOR is perhaps the most solo friendly MMO in the world and has the most solo focused story lines and even they haven't done anything this stupid. I don't play an MMO to play alone, I do it to play with friends and family.2 -
Comicman✭✭Commandment wrote: »
You do realize the forums only consist of a really small part of the community don't you? A lot of people didn't even know the change was going to happen when i told people in-game. More outrage than praise. So I'm not sure about these 10 people you speak of. Most people are reluctant to sign up because you literally have to research how to get into these forums, and create a ticket, and wait for that ticket to be approved just to join. Most people with the worst ideas and feedback, are the main people that talk on these forums. All the people who enjoy the game, are usually just quiet.
Bg's are the same. The more higher your MMR gets, the less games you will see. So there isnt much truth to that.
The old BG's worked, I don't know about this "I want to beat nonorganized groups" mentality you speak off, but I'm sure that goes for all players alike, hoping there enemies are stupid. Premades werent even a plague. Even if you run solo and your group smashes people you will still get hate whispers of being in a "premade". At the end of the day it's just an excuse. Even in current BG's, if a group of sweaty build characters with some decent knowledge work together, they will smash everyone, now everyone is just blaming each other to cover how much they suck. It's more toxic.
The thing that made BG's unbearable was not joining a match that don't start, and a match where your stuck at 2 people.
If they can't handle losing in a match maybe PVP, or any competitive game isnt something they should play. 2-3 extra people isnt hard to find, there are many guilds you could join to achieve this. But oh wait, It's best to be a hardcore soloist, and everyone should play your game, and your rules.
Yeah, I do realize that and that's why I pointed out its the same 10 guys over and over again. BTW you are the one who brought the number of forum posts when you were trying to "enforce" your points, so it's kinda funny that you contradict yourself right away with your own reply. And guess what if you ask people who enjoyed premade BGs before of course, they aren't happy about the change if you ask people who didn't they are thrilled about it, it simply depends on who are you asking. So I am not sure what is your point.
And BG queue times are definitely faster even at higher MMR (at least on EU- PC). But like I said we can only guess if its cuz there is more people playing BGs (which I PERSONALLY think is the case), or if its simply cuz there arent an odd number of premade groups (as ZOS them self stated that premade groups were making chaos in the MMR system which was one of the reasons for this change in the first place).
I am not saying premade groups were a plague, sure some of them were completely fine, but some were just abusing completely antifun builds which have no place in small scale PvP in my opinion, and making the whole match just not a fun experience for anyone. Maybe you are the one who played normally as premade but I think you don't understand that not everyone who wants to be able to queue as premade does it the same way.
Also, people with better builds and better knowledge of the game are better players and should win easily against new/bad players, that's pretty much how every game works. But they really shouldn't be matched against each other, that is a problem of the current MMR system not working properly, not premades not being in the queue.
And if you think most people don't enjoy playing against premades cuz they can't win the match, then you are wrong. Its simply not enjoyable as they can easily force you to play a certain way, and they can do it every single match they get into. Nobody is saying its hard to get 2-3 and create your own group but again in 90% of matches you will be facing nonpremade groups which is just boring as hell. Also, don't you find it a bit hypocritical saying that you don't enjoy being forced to queue solo in BGs cuz someone else enjoys, but you are suggesting it's completely fine to force others to make premades cuz you enjoy it? I am simply saying there should be separated queues for both..... I am fine getting bad players in my team as solo player, you should be fine facing other premades only and maybe waiting in queue for a while.0 -
Comicman✭✭RezecNoble_ESO wrote: »[
This is the first MMO I have ever seen that took away the ability for a GROUP to que for a GROUP event. SWTOR is perhaps the most solo friendly MMO in the world and has the most solo focused story lines and even they haven't done anything this stupid. I don't play an MMO to play alone, I do it to play with friends and family.
Not sure its great idea looking at game which has a declining population for several years, where even at peak hours aren't even thousands of ppl online, as a good example. If you actually check SWTOR forum from 6-7 years back when the game was still kinda played a lot of people were asking for separation of it too. Maybe some of them would stick around and still play the game today.
Nowadays most of the decent PvP games have premade and solo queues separated or at least have some kind of restriction where premades cant be more or even than 50% of the group, considering the fact that ESO only has 4 man team BGs, you break that point by allowing even duo queue. I'd rather look at those games who are trying to keep some competitive integrity
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RezecNoble_ESO wrote: »[
This is the first MMO I have ever seen that took away the ability for a GROUP to que for a GROUP event. SWTOR is perhaps the most solo friendly MMO in the world and has the most solo focused story lines and even they haven't done anything this stupid. I don't play an MMO to play alone, I do it to play with friends and family.
Not sure its great idea looking at game which has a declining population for several years, where even at peak hours aren't even thousands of ppl online, as a good example. If you actually check SWTOR forum from 6-7 years back when the game was still kinda played a lot of people were asking for separation of it too. Maybe some of them would stick around and still play the game today.
Nowadays most of the decent PvP games have premade and solo queues separated or at least have some kind of restriction where premades cant be more or even than 50% of the group, considering the fact that ESO only has 4 man team BGs, you break that point by allowing even duo queue. I'd rather look at those games who are trying to keep some competitive integrity
Yeah, Bioware wouldn't have just come out with a new expansion a few months ago if that were the case, nice try though. SWTOR is actually doing better right now than they've done in a long time. Yes I am aware of those people who were clamoring to get rid of premades, and Bioware didn't cave. ZOS did. That makes them an idiotic company for people running an MMO.
Look call me an elitist, but if your getting stomped over and over again as a PUG group it is your own fault for not finding a group or joining a guild. That is part of improving yourself in a GROUP activity. This is the same reason in most games for end game raids people have organized dedicated raid teams, if you take a group of random people in who do not know the content than you know going in that it wont be a fun easy time, same thing for PvP. If you que solo you take the chance of being grouped with random people, who haven't gotten good at their class, has *** gear, etc. That's your choice to be a loner. If you get stomped that is your own fault.
[Snip] are happy that you can PvP and know that there is a higher chance you won't face any kind of competition, it isn't competitive integrity. As solo que only you now have very minimum risk of ever facing an organized team, that is the opposite of competition.
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Comicman✭✭RezecNoble_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, Bioware wouldn't have just come out with a new expansion a few months ago if that were the case, nice try though. SWTOR is actually doing better right now than they've done in a long time. Yes I am aware of those people who were clamoring to get rid of premades, and Bioware didn't cave. ZOS did. That makes them an idiotic company for people running an MMO.
Look call me an elitist, but if your getting stomped over and over again as a PUG group it is your own fault for not finding a group or joining a guild. That is part of improving yourself in a GROUP activity. This is the same reason in most games for end game raids people have organized dedicated raid teams, if you take a group of random people in who do not know the content than you know going in that it wont be a fun easy time, same thing for PvP. If you que solo you take the chance of being grouped with random people, who haven't gotten good at their class, has *** gear, etc. That's your choice to be a loner. If you get stomped that is your own fault.
Now you solo kiddies are happy that you can PvP and know that there is a higher chance you won't face any kind of competition, it isn't competitive integrity. As solo que only you now have very minimum risk of ever facing an organized team, that is the opposite of competition.
Yes, New expansion after 4 years of NO NEW CONTENT for the game, cuz the game got a bit more popular thanks to the recent Star Wars movies and the Mandalorian series, Bioware stated that themself. There was even high chance EA will shut down the game at the end of 2018, but decided not too and even promised some new content along the way. Just to be sure I logged in to check and here are the results on most played EU server - DARTH MALGUS and here is how success and active game looks in ur eyes I guess - 37 ppl online on IMPERIAL FLEET( which is basically Dark Side main hub for those who don't know the game) and 55 ppl on Corelia ( which is the new expansion zone), Both Hutta and Korriban ( starting zones for dark side) had under 10 ppl playing on them. With those numbers, I highly dbout that there are over 1k ppl playing the game at any given time on that server( and like I said its the most active one on EU).
Nobody is calling you elitist, cuz nothing gets harder when you make premade group in BGs you still face the same enemies which 90% of the time are nonpremade you just have 0 % chance of getting any of them in your team cuz you create premade. There really isn't anything challenging about that, exactly the opposite its like game of whack a mole.
Also at higher MMR, you don't really face newbies, most of the time teams are quite balanced. But most of you didn't even bother to put the time in and actually play to get to higher MMR. Made conclusion after 5 matches played after the MMR reset and decided that's how every match looks when you are grouped and facing ppl who might not even have complete sets or impen traits.3 -
No I didn't even do that. When I saw that I couldn't click GROUP que when I was grouped with my son because I was teaching him to play the game and we had been leveling new characters together, ran some Cyrodiil, and then wanted to do some BGs, just quit playing that instant. I play with guild mates, I play with my son, I play with my wife. It is absolutely the stupidest thing in the world to sit right next to each other, play an MMO and not be able to be in the same group for a group activity. End of discussion. This is beyond idiotic.2
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Also you lack a deep understanding of how heavy instanced SWTOR is and people are split between multiple instances of the fleet, some people never got to the fleet anymore because the story took the "Commander" of the alliance to Odessan which has everything there aswell. Guild capital ships and even personal strongholds have most terminals you need when fully upgraded. Depending on if you have PvE or PvP enabled gives you different instances aswell, now that there are mega servers. Oh and the Coreilla you flew to is the lvl 50 planet. For level 75 final quest you are in a Corellia flashpoint, not the same planet you fly to.0
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Comicman✭✭RezecNoble_ESO wrote: »No I didn't even do that. When I saw that I couldn't click GROUP que when I was grouped with my son because I was teaching him to play the game and we had been leveling new characters together, ran some Cyrodiil, and then wanted to do some BGs, just quit playing that instant. I play with guild mates, I play with my son, I play with my wife. It is absolutely the stupidest thing in the world to sit right next to each other, play an MMO and not be able to be in the same group for a group activity. End of discussion. This is beyond idiotic.
[Snip] I understand your frustration of wanting to play with your friends/family members and not being able atm that's why there should be the second queue for premades. But you guys are being ignorant of the frustration of ppl who aren't enjoying playing with or against premade groups. Not saying its all premades matches but its enough to make you not enjoy that kind of content. Whether its of stacking and abusing antifun builds for small scale PvP or just simply camping spawn area of BG with premade group and just instabursting the good enemy players with 2-3 ultis right away and cleaning the less skilled enemy team members easily while having dedicated healer in the back so you're kept at full HP all the time and you can even take any defensive skills off your bar and replace them with group buffs etc., cuz you know you have builds designed around each other.
I am not saying the current state of BGs is perfect there need to be many improvements. Like making MMR account-wide at least to some point so skilled players aren't facing newbies even when they switch toons around. So there is a "safe place" for them to learn the basics of the game. But its definitely at least a little bit better then it was before.
But I suppose it's easier to just say its "Noob solo players don't want to face premade groups cuz it's too hard for them" then trying to look at both sides of the coin and understand why they don't want to play WITH or AGAINST premades in the same queue. A lot of the dedicated players who do BGs literally don't care if they win or lose, as the rewards are terribly underwhelming, they just want to enjoy the match have fun, and fight players of similar skill levels. And that's literally impossible with premades and solo players being in the same queue. No matter if you are premade you most likely will be facing unorganized solo players most of the time while having decent group yourself with communication outside of the game as well, and you won't ever really face any challenge at all. But if there was a queue for premades only, it might be actually enjoyable as you will be facing other premades.
[Edited for rude content]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on May 12, 2020 5:53PM0
