Just another cloak issue

kalunte

With Malacath's ring coming to us i test a few dmg proccing sets and guess what? All dmg from procsets either Direct damage, Damage over Time, Single target Damage or Area of Effect Damage, they all break cloak. i mean, if a nightblade uses a dmgprocset, manage to make it proc then uses cloak, its own dmg Done will break his cloak, he doesnt even need someone to target him nor try to break the cloak.

Assuming many ppl will love that NB cant use procsets because well, they are nighblades, they are not allowed to benefit from anything cool i'd still like it to be fixed, just like they fix some random dot breaking dots and so on.

posted it in game pts feedback but still wanted to post it here.

Anyron

All damage done while cloaked pulls you out of cloak. I think this was here always

kalunte

No, DoT does not, they fixed that poison injection for exmple was breaking it while it shouldnt. neither direct nor over time damage from the cloaker is supposed to break his own cloak. i admit that doing direct dmg without pressing a button may look awkward but it's possible.

Only actions taken from cloak by the cloaker should break it, sprint, charge an HA, cast a skill, dodge or even block do or should break the cloak, not things you've done before cloaking like neither dots nor traps nor delayed synergies and so on.

even grothdarr should last through cloak, for fun's sake ^^


edit typo

kalunte

of course if someone dmg you or reveal you it's "fair" even if i think that braindead AoEing is ugly and shouldnt break cloak, but this is a feature; i do think procset breaking the proc-er's own cloak isnt.

validifyedneb18_ESO

Cloaks only issue is that it exists.

Dr_Ganknstein

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Cloaks only issue is that it exists.

Only bad players complain about cloak. The good ones know and use its counters.

Sanctum74

Icky wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Cloaks only issue is that it exists.

Only bad players complain about USE cloak. The good ones know and use its counters.

Fixed that for ya

Austinseph1

Icky wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Cloaks only issue is that it exists.

Only bad players complain about cloak. The good ones know and use its counters.

Who wants to slot poor counters like camo hunter or magelight for the 1 magblade left that will run away for half of the fight anyway. It's boring gameplay and uncompelling for the rest of the players. Because playing wack-a-mole with throwing aoe all over to look for you is... "fun". Just rework or remove it honestly. Give NB a buff in its place so you wont be balanced against a bad mechanic that only works half the time.

idk

Anyron wrote: »

All damage done while cloaked pulls you out of cloak. I think this was here always

This should not be the case and from experience as an NB and attacking NBs I am pretty sure it is not. It would be problematic given how popular DoTs have been historically and how long they can last.

OWLTHEMAD

So many people cant stand nighblades. Lots of bad players use cloak in a bad way sure, but skillfull use is possible, and if they are frustrating you or confusing you then that is often the goal. Dont complain about someone elses facorite toy just because you dont like it. Its not classy.

Bucky_13

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Cloaks only issue is that it exists.

Only bad players complain about USE cloak. The good ones know and use its counters.

Fixed that for ya

Sorry, but it just bad players that complain about it. There are multiple ways to counter it and if you don't know how to and thus get frustrated by it, that's on you, not the NBs.

SshadowSscale

Austinseph1 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Cloaks only issue is that it exists.

Only bad players complain about cloak. The good ones know and use its counters.

Who wants to slot poor counters like camo hunter or magelight for the 1 magblade left that will run away for half of the fight anyway. It's boring gameplay and uncompelling for the rest of the players. Because playing wack-a-mole with throwing aoe all over to look for you is... "fun". Just rework or remove it honestly. Give NB a buff in its place so you wont be balanced against a bad mechanic that only works half the time.

Because that is the only ways to counter cloak lmao..... Hell with cloaks currebt state you do not even need a hard counter to it.... Just gapclose 4head.....but in all seriousness go look up cloak counters because I can promise you magelight/evel hunter and aoe is not the only counters.... Granted aoe is the easiest to get and use.

kalunte

again, haters' gonna hate. If you want to make an entire topic about how to counter cloak, should it work or not, exist or not, compare it to heals, shields dodgeroll or even block do it.

in another topic please.


As for the original topic, if anyone finds a dmg procset that does not break cloak i'll be glad to know which one, just in case..

Ragnaroek93

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Cloaks only issue is that it exists.

Only bad players complain about USE cloak. The good ones know and use its counters.

Fixed that for ya

You're the one who is bad if you still have problems with Nightblades LOL

Fawn4287

Cloak shouldn’t work as a temporary cleanse, fix that before anything else

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Sanctum74

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Cloaks only issue is that it exists.

Only bad players complain about USE cloak. The good ones know and use its counters.

Fixed that for ya

You're the one who is bad if you still have problems with Nightblades LOL

Never said i have problems with nightblades thats why i don't slot the counters. I just think it prevents people from learning when they run away after just 1 failed rotation.

Ragnaroek93

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Cloaks only issue is that it exists.

Only bad players complain about USE cloak. The good ones know and use its counters.

Fixed that for ya

You're the one who is bad if you still have problems with Nightblades LOL

Never said i have problems with nightblades thats why i don't slot the counters. I just think it prevents people from learning when they run away after just 1 failed rotation.

And I think it prevents people from learning PvP by playing a stam tank who can't get punished for mistakes because he survives every burst combo and can outheal every pressure (stamcro and stamden are very good in this).

You can hate on Cloak all you want but at least Nbs are punishable for mistakes and always had counters and bad matchups (what's a bad matchup for a stamcro for example? There is none).

kryda

Nightblade needs a buff, a class change token buff.

sproattt

Appears that we received another NERF which affects cloak. Now SA or HA SA from cloak won't stun or set off balance lol.

What? Surprise got another NERF.

Sanctum74

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Cloaks only issue is that it exists.

Only bad players complain about USE cloak. The good ones know and use its counters.

Fixed that for ya

You're the one who is bad if you still have problems with Nightblades LOL

Never said i have problems with nightblades thats why i don't slot the counters. I just think it prevents people from learning when they run away after just 1 failed rotation.

And I think it prevents people from learning PvP by playing a stam tank who can't get punished for mistakes because he survives every burst combo and can outheal every pressure (stamcro and stamden are very good in this).

You can hate on Cloak all you want but at least Nbs are punishable for mistakes and always had counters and bad matchups (what's a bad matchup for a stamcro for example? There is none).

I agree thats why I don’t play them. I also think nightblade could use some serious buffs so they don’t have to rely on cloak so much and can be more competitive.

kalunte

nightblades dont "have to rely on cloak" some nightblades want to cloak and i'd like issues related to cloak's behavior to be fixed.
it's well known for those who actually care that nightblades performs better without cloak.


this is not the topic.



create one about cloak, what should nightblades do thanks to you or whatever. i'm not looking for toxicity here.

thanks.

Tommy_The_Gun

Just a question:
Can you name other class than NB in ESO, that can have it's core feature & defence 100% negated by... a heavy attack ?

Sanctum74

Sorry if you misread by post as being toxic even though I think they need buffs, but thats another issue.

As far as your original post goes to stay on subject, personally i think any damage done even with proc sets should break cloak, or using cloak should stop the damage from those sets or skills. I think that’s totally fair and balanced.

Oathunbound

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Sorry if you misread by post as being toxic even though I think they need buffs, but thats another issue.

As far as your original post goes to stay on subject, personally i think any damage done even with proc sets should break cloak, or using cloak should stop the damage from those sets or skills. I think that’s totally fair and balanced.

Then can damage from proc sets and dots be stopped when they dodge roll? They become unable to be hit by st attacks and can only be hit with aoe and aoe cc skills, the only difference is that i can see the person rolling around vs going invisible but ultimately gaining the same effect.

Sanctum74

Oathunbound wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Sorry if you misread by post as being toxic even though I think they need buffs, but thats another issue.

As far as your original post goes to stay on subject, personally i think any damage done even with proc sets should break cloak, or using cloak should stop the damage from those sets or skills. I think that’s totally fair and balanced.

Then can damage from proc sets and dots be stopped when they dodge roll? They become unable to be hit by st attacks and can only be hit with aoe and aoe cc skills, the only difference is that i can see the person rolling around vs going invisible but ultimately gaining the same effect.

I wouldn’t agree with dodge roll, unless you are suggesting that apply to all classes, but i would be ok with cloak being a guaranteed cloak meaning aoe’s, detect pots, and magelight can no longer bring them out of stealth. This way it would be effective defensively or to set up a burst combo, but not continue to damage enemies while stealthed.

Oathunbound

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Oathunbound wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Sorry if you misread by post as being toxic even though I think they need buffs, but thats another issue.

As far as your original post goes to stay on subject, personally i think any damage done even with proc sets should break cloak, or using cloak should stop the damage from those sets or skills. I think that’s totally fair and balanced.

Then can damage from proc sets and dots be stopped when they dodge roll? They become unable to be hit by st attacks and can only be hit with aoe and aoe cc skills, the only difference is that i can see the person rolling around vs going invisible but ultimately gaining the same effect.

I wouldn’t agree with dodge roll, unless you are suggesting that apply to all classes, but i would be ok with cloak being a guaranteed cloak meaning aoe’s, detect pots, and magelight can no longer bring them out of stealth. This way it would be effective defensively or to set up a burst combo, but not continue to damage enemies while stealthed.

I would agree with that trade. I was just trying to point out that one can apply dots or trigger sets and achive mostly the same effect of cloaking via dodge roll. But if cloak were simply a way to become totaly untargetable and only take aoe damage i would be fine with my dots being removed for that level of defence, tho it could be a tad op, but i see what you are saying.

kalunte

if we are into imagining that dodgeroll should prevent all dmg done by the roller why not make shields block shielder's skill too? i mean, this is a time-earner just like cloak or dodgeroll right? i guess all this fun-to-imagine features would suffer the same issues as cloak are suffering today: 75% of actual game's mecanics/feature will break it or bypass it.
even using abilities while blocking could be addressed then maybe..

like any other time-earner mecanics like block, dodgeroll, shields and line of sight (you could also add minor/minor prot) it should simply work as intended weither using it defensivly or offensivly.

let us pray for procsets not to break cloak for final release T_T

Dojohoda

Report a potential cloak bug and we get all sorts of derisive replies. Happens every time.

idk

Austinseph1 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Cloaks only issue is that it exists.

Only bad players complain about cloak. The good ones know and use its counters.

Who wants to slot poor counters like camo hunter or magelight for the 1 magblade left that will run away for half of the fight anyway. It's boring gameplay and uncompelling for the rest of the players. Because playing wack-a-mole with throwing aoe all over to look for you is... "fun". Just rework or remove it honestly. Give NB a buff in its place so you wont be balanced against a bad mechanic that only works half the time.

The person you quoted is very accurate. You make a choice about each skill you equip if you find it valuable or not. Complaining because you choose to not equip a skill is not a reason to change anything in the game.

When running with a small group it is easy to have someone run a counter and it is just a choice the leader makes to not have someone run it. If your group is having a problem with NBs tell your group leader to get it together and have someone competent run a counter.

If running solo you are already making the choice that you will not have everything at your disposal.