R.I.P Bloodspawn - Giving My Favorite Set a Proper Funeral

NirnStorm

So, as you all know, in this patch's PTS, the all-time community favorite Bloodspawn set is taking a pretty massive nerf:

Bloodspawn:
Reduced the armor granted from this set to 3300, down from 6450.
Reduced the Ultimate on proc to 8, down from 14.
Reduced the duration and cooldown to 5 seconds, down from 6 seconds.

I personally am very sad about this decision, bloodspawn was my favorite set for many years, it was super flexible and perfectly designed to be useful on all characters no matter what role they played or if they were mag or stam.
I feel like this change was uncalled for, considering the 6% proc chance that the set has, that guarantees it will only be very effective when you are outnumbered or focused by multiple enemies.


Here is a 2-minute video I made to pay a last respect to the best set we've ever known in ESO, hope you'll all enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh_iVJ4T95c


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Schokolade

https://youtu.be/pDmB76y7jFs

xaraan

Set should have been 4K armor and 10 ult gen on proc, they always over-nerf things to the point where no one will use them.

CaptainVenom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9V78UbdzWI

Aedaryl

F.

kojou

xaraan wrote: »

Set should have been 4K armor and 10 ult gen on proc, they always over-nerf things to the point where no one will use them.

I don't think most tanks cared about the armor anyway... or at least I never really figured it in. I was always more interested in the Ult gain.

It went from 14/6 = 2.3 per second to 8/5 = 1.6 per second theoretical maximum. I agree with you 10/5 is a much more reasonable reduction since that would put it more on par with Major Heroism. I would also argue that it didn't even really need a nerf to the ult generation though.

xaraan

kojou wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Set should have been 4K armor and 10 ult gen on proc, they always over-nerf things to the point where no one will use them.

I don't think most tanks cared about the armor anyway... or at least I never really figured it in. I was always more interested in the Ult gain.

It went from 14/6 = 2.3 per second to 8/5 = 1.6 per second theoretical maximum. I agree with you 10/5 is a much more reasonable reduction since that would put it more on par with Major Heroism. I would also argue that it didn't even really need a nerf to the ult generation though.

tanks? no, this is more of a pvp set and it's nerfed b/c of the ability to make tanky dps by giving a lot of ult (which turns into damage or mitigation or resources, etc) and protection. And I have no doubt you are correct that most want it b/c of the ult gain, but the armor buff was notice-able and more useful than anyone running the set only for ult realizes. If it's the 'only' choice for most playstyles then it's definitely over-tuned and with all the other tanky monster set nerfs it would have been even more over-tuned in comparison. So I don't think the adjustment was uncalled for, just feels like this got the Black Rose armor treatment where it will go from used all the time to never used.

I'm not saying getting the armor and ult it will give is useless, but if there is a better option then it won't be worthwhile to run Bloodspawn. I think if it was an ok 4k armor buff and 10 ult it wouldn't be as OP (or even 3.8 and 9) and would still be a consideration in many builds.

NirnStorm

Schokolade wrote: »

https://youtu.be/pDmB76y7jFs

This is beautiful omg.

kojou wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Set should have been 4K armor and 10 ult gen on proc, they always over-nerf things to the point where no one will use them.

I don't think most tanks cared about the armor anyway... or at least I never really figured it in. I was always more interested in the Ult gain.

It went from 14/6 = 2.3 per second to 8/5 = 1.6 per second theoretical maximum. I agree with you 10/5 is a much more reasonable reduction since that would put it more on par with Major Heroism. I would also argue that it didn't even really need a nerf to the ult generation though.

100% agreed. The harsh nerf to ult (which is an aspect that didn't even effect the tank meta in PvP and didn't need a nerf in either scene imo) is really the main reason I think this set will become so unplayable. Your explanation is spot on.

Daffen

Its probably zos attempt at nerfing the unkillable tanks in pvp. Too bad we will just adapt and use a different setup that works more or less the same. Basically every pvp tank build used this set to get more ulti regen to use shield wall more often to get their resources back faster.

Alucardo

I'm so emotional right now. Bloodspawn has been a part of my life for as long as I can remember, and to say goodbye is... I'm sorry, I need to be alone right now. I'll meet you in the next life my friend. Be at peace.

SeaUnicorn

RI2P

woe

This isn't even final yet, god damn

Cinbri

Another of "Deltia funeral"

Ragnaroek93

Overnerfing BS is another failed attempt to nerf the tank meta. Problem is that mitigation from armor scales linear and therefore every point of armor becomes more effective depending on how much armor you already have. Armor should have softcaps/diminishing returns instead of another bandaid fix which won't solve the problem at all. Tanks will just go Pariah/Orgnums instead and replace Bloodspawn with an offensive 2p set or Agility...

Alucardo

deflorate wrote: »

This isn't even final yet, god damn

You know they won't revert this change. If they did, they'd have to revert all the other defensive sets also, and I just can't see it happening. Hopefully they prove me wrong, but they won't.

Ruder

R.I.P. Bloodspawn,
R.I.P. Troll King,
R.I.P. Pirate Skeleton
R.I.P. Spawn Of Mephala (yes this was decent PvP set back in the days, it was procing on each Heavy Attack without a CD)
R.I.P. Fortified Brass
R.I.P. Beekepers
R.I.P. Plague Doctor
R.I.P. Green Pact
R.I.P. Impregnable
R.I.P. Trainee
R.I.P. Reactivee
R.I.P. BlackRose
R.I.P. Shadow Dancer (used to stack with Vampire sneak passive)
R.I.P. Night Silence (used to stack with Vampire sneak passive)

R.I.P FUN and Choices

kijima

Ruder wrote: »

R.I.P. Bloodspawn,
R.I.P. Troll King,
R.I.P. Pirate Skeleton
R.I.P. Spawn Of Mephala (yes this was decent PvP set back in the days, it was procing on each Heavy Attack without a CD)
R.I.P. Fortified Brass
R.I.P. Beekepers
R.I.P. Plague Doctor
R.I.P. Green Pact
R.I.P. Impregnable
R.I.P. Trainee
R.I.P. Reactivee
R.I.P. BlackRose
R.I.P. Shadow Dancer (used to stack with Vampire sneak passive)
R.I.P. Night Silence (used to stack with Vampire sneak passive)

R.I.P FUN and Choices

Just counted 6 sets in your list that I have parked, all Gold of course...

I could of added Vipers and Red Mountain and Tremoscale as well.

Fiktius

NirnStorm wrote: »

Reduced the armor granted from this set to 3300, down from 6450.
Reduced the Ultimate on proc to 8, down from 14.
Reduced the duration and cooldown to 5 seconds, down from 6 seconds.

R.I.P

Countdownical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-9wXQpzESo

gp1680

Schokolade wrote: »

https://youtu.be/pDmB76y7jFs

WTH did I just watch?

Dracane

This drama. Reducing a sets potency that everyone uses because it is in fact overperforming, is not killing it.
It's still very strong. Just this double nerf again without any compensation... Could have at least increases the proc chance to make it more reliable.

Although I feel it is up all the time no matter what.

Nagastani

Condolences ~ RIP

This is interesting because I was having a discussion with someone else not too long ago about dropping monster helms completely.

What's really sad here is whatever is worked out to replace Blood Spawn will probably be next on the chopping block.

Rake

I dont see why they use such numbers.
if they wanted to be precise they should have made it having 5,76333% chance of proccing, boosting resistances by 3297,66666, granting 8,03652 ultimate with cooldown for this proc at 5,00073 seconds.

If they wanna be precise we need at least 5 decimals so we can theorycraft how hard to deconstruct this future piece of garbage.

ecru

I don't think people realize how much of a nerf this is going to be for DKs. The set wasn't just favored because of it's combo of resists/ult gen, it was favored because on a DK, ult is recovery. This is a major blow to every DK in terms of recovery because having an ult available less often means less resources in general. I suspect magdk will be hit hardest by this, but stamdk will suffer too.

I don't think the devs are stupid, so I suspect this is actually a nerf targeted somewhat directly at DKs in pvp, but I don't think that was necessary. IMO DK should receive some kind of boost in ult generation to compensate for this nerf.

Kadoin

Cinbri wrote: »

Another of "Deltia funeral"

Deltia's funeral was better. But the nerfs then were also far worse.

I still have a silo full of salt over the loss of stun on blazing shards

NirnStorm

ecru wrote: »

I don't think people realize how much of a nerf this is going to be for DKs.
...
IMO DK should receive some kind of boost in ult generation to compensate for this nerf.

I agree this is going to hurt DKs a ton, the class has the worst sustain passives in game and no active ability that restores resources. Yet I don't think it would make sense giving DKs an ult gen buff, and I say that as a magDk main. We've seen what Dks are capable of when given the opportunity of fast ult gen during early patches where dynamic ult gen existed. I think a sustain buff would make more sense, but yeah it would definitely offend my magDK more than any of the other toons I've used BS on, agree.

Kadoin wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Another of "Deltia funeral"

Deltia's funeral was better. But the nerfs then were also far worse.

I still have a silo full of salt over the loss of stun on blazing shards

It's hard to compete with Deltia okay? I tried my best but I am merely a half of the man he is

notvenousdrake

No we shouldn’t even have to come up with alternatives to this bs by zos they should just leave the set alone

West93

I would be very upset is they only nerfed bloodspawn, but all defensive monster sets got nerfed so its fair.

Langeston

ecru wrote: »

I don't think people realize how much of a nerf this is going to be for DKs. The set wasn't just favored because of it's combo of resists/ult gen, it was favored because on a DK, ult is recovery. This is a major blow to every DK in terms of recovery because having an ult available less often means less resources in general. I suspect magdk will be hit hardest by this, but stamdk will suffer too.

I don't think the devs are stupid, so I suspect this is actually a nerf targeted somewhat directly at DKs in pvp, but I don't think that was necessary. IMO DK should receive some kind of boost in ult generation to compensate for this nerf.

Lol, no.

ecru

Langeston wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

I don't think people realize how much of a nerf this is going to be for DKs. The set wasn't just favored because of it's combo of resists/ult gen, it was favored because on a DK, ult is recovery. This is a major blow to every DK in terms of recovery because having an ult available less often means less resources in general. I suspect magdk will be hit hardest by this, but stamdk will suffer too.

I don't think the devs are stupid, so I suspect this is actually a nerf targeted somewhat directly at DKs in pvp, but I don't think that was necessary. IMO DK should receive some kind of boost in ult generation to compensate for this nerf.

Lol, no.

DK has one passive that generates extra ult and it isn't utilized on cooldown by stamdk since no one uses stone giant, and the other abilities (fossilize/igneous) can't be used every 6 seconds. Templar at the very least gets it on an ability they use as part of their rotation, and sorcs get a cost reduction. Everyone else has higher regen compared to DK, and DK is constrained by resource usage more than other classes because it's resources are tied using an ult. Blood Spawn offset this by quite a bit.

Urzigurumash

I don't think this was targeted towards DKs at all - it seems it was finally nerfed only when it came to be commonly used on almost every class and every build in PvP, not just DKs. To my knowledge, this is all the eventual consequence of Damage Shields being affected by Resistances. There are plenty of other sources of Ult Gen.