What are stats of Glyphs with Prismatic Recovery and Reduce Skill Cost?

nejcn001

Some data missing in patch notes.

Shadowasrial

Also want to know

relentless_turnip

Did anyone ever find out?

John_Falstaff

I'm also curious; it's an intrigue whether ZOS actually made something worth using, or gave birth to an enchantment version of Invigorating trait. Though target audience will be probably PvP specs that make heavy use of off-stat.

Cres

Here ya go:

Iskiab

Cres wrote: »

Here ya go:

Oh damn. Does prismatic reduce skill cost work on abilities like blood alter and healthy offering too?

MashmalloMan

Iskiab wrote: »

Cres wrote: »

Here ya go:

Oh damn. Does prismatic reduce skill cost work on abilities like blood alter and healthy offering too?

Yes. They started really considering health cost as just another resource for some abilities around 2019. You can see it when they made Sorc/Templars cost reduction passives include health cost or when they made the Mages guild passive include health cost. They clearly knew where things would be heading because now we have multiple Vamp abilities with health cost, Necro has abilties with health cost, new glyph reduces health cost.

I think it's pretty neat. Hope they continue that trend.

Banana

They need to make a bi stat version for everything too

icefyer_ESO

Banana wrote: »

They need to make a bi stat version for everything too

That'd be fantastic. I can see tanks possibly making use if a health + stamina or magicka recovery one for example, or a health + magicka cost reduction to help offset the 20% pain of R4 vampire on the PTS if you don't use stamina skills.

bulcke10

Cres wrote: »

Here ya go:

Is this a new one or is the old reduce cost reworked? The old one was like 203 reduce cost 🤔

Djennku

bulcke10 wrote: »

Is this a new one or is the old reduce cost reworked? The old one was like 203 reduce cost 🤔

There are three separate glyphs of reduce cost. The tri-stat one is new. The older ones are not affected.

Dracane

The cost reduction one is alright. The regeneration version is way too weak though. Not even 50% of the single stat value. That is uncommon for Prismatic enchants.

I think Indeko will not be nearly as valueable/wanted as I predicted.

kojou

Cres wrote: »

Here ya go:

I have a feeling I will be using the cost reduction one on my tank...

Mirage131

kojou wrote: »

Cres wrote: »

Here ya go:

I have a feeling I will be using the cost reduction one on my tank...

I already swapped my mag recovery glyphs to the reduced cost and I like the way it feels

FrancisCrawford

To be clear: Are "abilities" just skills in this context?

Taleof2Cities

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

To be clear: Are "abilities" just skills in this context?

Correct.

butterrum222

How does one craft these?

Taleof2Cities

butterrum222 wrote: »

How does one craft these?

The Essence Runes "Indeko" can be found as a bonus reward in high level antiquity digs.

After that, it's just crafting whichever glyph you like using the additive or subtractive potency runes (in the screenshot "Repora" potency is used for the recovery glyph; "Itade" potency used for the cost reduction glyph).

FrancisCrawford

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

To be clear: Are "abilities" just skills in this context?

Correct.

So the cases of "all abilities" truly being all in a cost decrease are Battlefield Acrobat, the light armor counterpart (Alteration Mastery?), and the Red Diamond racial passive?

I think they also are truly all on the cost increase side at least for vampires.

Taleof2Cities

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

To be clear: Are "abilities" just skills in this context?

Correct.

So the cases of "all abilities" truly being all in a cost decrease are Battlefield Acrobat, the light armor counterpart (Alteration Mastery?), and the Red Diamond racial passive?

I think they also are truly all on the cost increase side at least for vampires.

I'm not aware of a full list that's actually updated for Greymoor, @FrancisCrawford.

But you can add the Breton cost reduction passive and don't forget the regular (non-prismatic) cost reduction glyphs for health, magicka, and stamina.

FrancisCrawford

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

To be clear: Are "abilities" just skills in this context?

Correct.

So the cases of "all abilities" truly being all in a cost decrease are Battlefield Acrobat, the light armor counterpart (Alteration Mastery?), and the Red Diamond racial passive?

I think they also are truly all on the cost increase side at least for vampires.

I'm not aware of a full list that's actually updated for Greymoor, @FrancisCrawford.

But you can add the Breton cost reduction passive and don't forget the regular (non-prismatic) cost reduction glyphs for health, magicka, and stamina.

Wait, @Taleof2Cities. Are you saying that, for example, a Breton with an ice staff gets a cost reduction on blocking?

My issue here is that sometimes a cost reduction on "abilities" is on skills only; sometimes it's on everything; and I'd like to know which is which.

Taleof2Cities

If you read the Breton passive details, @FrancisCrawford, it’s only for abilities.

Djennku

Breton gives cost reduction to all abilities that cost magicka. Imperials get a cost reduction to all active abilities, including ultimates.

FrancisCrawford

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If you read the Breton passive details, @FrancisCrawford, it’s only for abilities.

Right, @Taleof2Cities, but my whole confusion is that the word "abilities" has different meanings in different tooltips.

Vevvev

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If you read the Breton passive details, @FrancisCrawford, it’s only for abilities.

Right, @Taleof2Cities, but my whole confusion is that the word "abilities" has different meanings in different tooltips.

Lets go with the more simple definition and just say it reduces the cost of things you put on your ability bars.

FrancisCrawford

Vevvev wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If you read the Breton passive details, @FrancisCrawford, it’s only for abilities.

Right, @Taleof2Cities, but my whole confusion is that the word "abilities" has different meanings in different tooltips.

Lets go with the more simple definition and just say it reduces the cost of things you put on your ability bars.

I haven't tested this, but it's widely believed that Battlefield Acrobat, Atteration Mastery and Red Diamond reduce the cost of more than just those things. Do you disagree?

Vevvev

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If you read the Breton passive details, @FrancisCrawford, it’s only for abilities.

Right, @Taleof2Cities, but my whole confusion is that the word "abilities" has different meanings in different tooltips.

Lets go with the more simple definition and just say it reduces the cost of things you put on your ability bars.

I haven't tested this, but it's widely believed that Battlefield Acrobat, Atteration Mastery and Red Diamond reduce the cost of more than just those things. Do you disagree?

I do because I have yet to see evidence of it even when I play with such passives and sets. Heck, people thought vampire increased the cost of blocking, dodge rolling, and other such actions do to its non-vampire cost increase. It didn't increase the cost of those things at all.

FrancisCrawford

@Vevvev,

1. I just did a test at a target dummy, and Battlefield Acrobat indeed cut the cost of Roll Dodge by 6%, specifically from 2649 to 2490, as measured by Combat Metrics. I did a couple of tests, and each figure was consistent for its build.

My only change of gear or anything else was a single piece that caused the changes:

Out: Night Mother's Gaze 5-piece bonus, Divines trait (with a Thief Mundus)
In: Battlefield Acrobat 5-piece bonus, Reinforced trait

I pinged the dummy with Arrow Barrage and/or light attacks to get its attention, dodged a couple of times, and waited until the fight was officially over to see Combat Metrics' figures.

Unless there's a flaw in my methodology, we have some strong evidence for Battlefield Acrobat affecting more than just skills.

2. I also did a second test. The character I tested on happens to be a vampire. I chugged some Corrupting Bloody Mara to raise him from Stage 1 to Stage 4, and this did NOT affect the cost of Roll Dodge.

Vevvev

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

@Vevvev,

1. I just did a test at a target dummy, and Battlefield Acrobat indeed cut the cost of Roll Dodge by 6%, specifically from 2649 to 2490, as measured by Combat Metrics. I did a couple of tests, and each figure was consistent for its build.

My only change of gear or anything else was a single piece that caused the changes:

Out: Night Mother's Gaze 5-piece bonus, Divines trait (with a Thief Mundus)
In: Battlefield Acrobat 5-piece bonus, Reinforced trait

I pinged the dummy with Arrow Barrage and/or light attacks to get its attention, dodged a couple of times, and waited until the fight was officially over to see Combat Metrics' figures.

Unless there's a flaw in my methodology, we have some strong evidence for Battlefield Acrobat affecting more than just skills.

2. I also did a second test. The character I tested on happens to be a vampire. I chugged some Corrupting Bloody Mara to raise him from Stage 1 to Stage 4, and this did NOT affect the cost of Roll Dodge.

Intriguing, thanks for doing the tests and proving me wrong.

runa_gate

alteration mastery since launch was intended to reduce the cost of everything, including dodge roll, etc.

but this is ESO and there's unintentional exceptions, some of which got patched over time

ne.ga.kurai_ESO

This glyph works with roll dodge, but not block? Does it reduce crouch cost?