Chapter for Daggerfall Covenant

Winstonshead

Hello
Morrowind - Pact
Summerset - Dominion
Elsweyr - Dominion
Greymoor - Pact

Last two chapters (2 years) was for Dominion, and what we have now?


And when Greymoor go on live, how many new players will choose Nords because of old Skyrim's experience?

Next chapter needs to be for Covenant, to balance quantity of players in alliances.

redgreensunset

Problem is that only part of DC territory not covered is Hammerfell and there are semi reliable rumors that about that it is being kept off limits for the time being because it'll e where TESVI is taking place.
And there are hints in the game dialogue that we'll be seeing more of Cyrodiil.

Thevampirenight

Greymoor Chapter could be considered more of a Daggerfall Covenant Chapter because the storyline connects back to Highrock and Hammerfell.

We will actually be seeing the Ravenwatch Vampires again and they will play a big part of the chapter from what I'm understanding and then the Gray Host which from lore was something thought Destroyed but as things go just because thought destroyed doesn't mean they are.

Gray Host play into the History of Bangkorai and Hammerfell.
Ravenwatch come from Rivenspire and are the polar opposite of the Gray Host.

While Gray Host is the most evil vampire clan, Ravenwatch mirrors them in being a good aligned Vampire clan.
So I think we are going to see that kind of Vampiric Duality in the chapter and it all connects back to Highrock and Hammerfell. So if you think this is a EP Chapter might want to rethink that. Because Western Skyrim Borders, High Rock and Hammerfell.

Thevampirenight

redgreensunset wrote: »

Problem is that only part of DC territory not covered is Hammerfell and there are semi reliable rumors that about that it is being kept off limits for the time being because it'll e where TESVI is taking place.
And there are hints in the game dialogue that we'll be seeing more of Cyrodiil.

I'm sure it will be Cyrodiil I made a post on it that got moved to the Pts.

SeaGtGruff

Winstonshead wrote: »

Hello
Morrowind - Pact
Summerset - Dominion
Elsweyr - Dominion
Greymoor - Pact

Last two chapters (2 years) was for Dominion, and what we have now?


And when Greymoor go on live, how many new players will choose Nords because of old Skyrim's experience?

Next chapter needs to be for Covenant, to balance quantity of players in alliances.

I SHALL NEVER FORSAKE THE COVENANT!!!







Well, I mean, except when I'm playing on one of my AD or EP alts.

MattT1988

Orsinium is pretty much a chapter. It was released before they realised they could gouge us more by releasing “chapters” which is classed differently to “DLC’s”, which were rightfully included as part of the optional subscription. Ah good times, when we still had a bit of faith in ZOS’s integrity.

TheShadowScout

I fully expect them to do a covenant-ish chapter in the hammerfell desert prettty soon!

But yeah, as it has been said... the "additional content" before the "expansion" thing had Craglorn (DC) and Orsinium (DC) - so they kinda burned through their covenant regions back then. Oh, yeah, Thieves Guild is also covenant territory I guess...

Really, all that's left is the desert and more redguard stories... which could be pretty neat, really.

But if you want the big "post-basic game stories" overview...

Craglorn - Daggerfall Covenant
Imperial City - Imperial - Daedra occupied
Orsinium - Daggerfall Covenant
Thieves Guild - Daggerfall Covenant
Dark Brotherhood - Imperial Remnant
Morrowind - Ebonheart Pact
Clockwork City - Ebonheart Pact
Summerset - Aldmeri Dominion
Murkmire - Ebonheart Pact
Elsweyr - Aldmeri Dominion
Dragonhold - Aldmeri Dominion
Greymoor - Ebonheart Pact
(4Q20 DLC) - Ebonheart Pact (almost certainly)

Sooo...
Aldmeri Dominion - Expansions: 2, DLC: 1;
Daggerfall Covenant - Additional Content, Expansion-equivalent: 2, DLC: 1;
Ebonheart Pact - Expansions: 2, DLC: 2 (and most likely 3 by the end of the year);
Imperial - DLC: 2;

The "most likely" next expansions might be something with the imperial remmant (Nibenay chapter, Colovia DLC?) and something in the hammerfell desert (where they could actualyl make the largest region yet, space wise... but leave it with huge plots of empty sand dunes in the middle and only settlements along the coast - which would pretty accurately portray the "ooo, desert!" feeling)
And seeing as we only recently had "imperial entanglements" in elsweyr, I reckon the desert might seem a more likely candidate for "we are working on it..." expansion territory...

bmnoble

Western Skyrim is not part of the Pact though.

That said they don't really have many spots on the map to make a DC chapter do they?

TheShadowScout

bmnoble wrote: »

Western Skyrim is not part of the Pact though.

True as it goes I guess.
And technically Orsinium is no longer part of the covenant after the events around King Kurog, because it was only his personal agreement that made it thus... the northeastern corner of Vvardenfell is telvanni territory, and they never joined the pact either... and clockwork city isn't exactly part of the pact either if you really want to be all technical about it but sothra sils personal fiefdom, and he himself never really joined... murkmire I am actually not so sure about, but I doubt any of the tribes there feel any loyalty to the pact... elsweyr is kinda half-imperial occupied instead of dominion territory at the start of the story there...
...but in the end, it is all places associated with the races of the alliance in question, so there is that.

ProfessorKittyhawk

TheShadowScout wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

Western Skyrim is not part of the Pact though.

True as it goes I guess.
And technically Orsinium is no longer part of the covenant after the events around King Kurog, because it was only his personal agreement that made it thus... the northeastern corner of Vvardenfell is telvanni territory, and they never joined the pact either... and clockwork city isn't exactly part of the pact either if you really want to be all technical about it but sothra sils personal fiefdom, and he himself never really joined... murkmire I am actually not so sure about, but I doubt any of the tribes there feel any loyalty to the pact... elsweyr is kinda half-imperial occupied instead of dominion territory at the start of the story there...
...but in the end, it is all places associated with the races of the alliance in question, so there is that.

If you do Orsinium before the main quest and mages guild, you see visions of Kurog in the Shadow of Sancre Tor and Circus of Cheerful Slaughter respectively as an alliance leader. And I believe he mentions in Orsinium he will maintain relations with the Covenant for the time being.

BlueRaven

bmnoble wrote: »

Western Skyrim is not part of the Pact though.

That said they don't really have many spots on the map to make a DC chapter do they?

I think because it is a Nord zone relating to Nord lore, we can safely call it a Pact expansion.

However in the same tone I would call Craglorn, Orsinium, and Hews Bane DC expansions as they are additions to be the basic map.

I do think that DC is needing an expansion soon though. Where they can possibly put it I have no idea, as I agree that Hammerfall is probably off the table.

Sylvermynx

"A Return to Yokuda".... with pirates of all sorts, and not too many islands left, but enough to make a decent map....

TheShadowScout

Sylvermynx wrote: »

"A Return to Yokuda".... with pirates of all sorts, and not too many islands left, but enough to make a decent map....

Well, since there IS an official map from TES-Redguard...

...we KNOW there is enouugh of yokuda left for an expansion!!

Just... waiting, for whenever they run out of space on tamriel.

Aptonoth

You guys had all the love at the start. Each province is getting an expansion before they go back to do existing area's with land left. I think we'll see Cyrodil > Hammefell> Black Marsh > Morrowind (Telvanni peninsula)

pod88kk

Orsinium (the best dlc) was in Daggerfall

lucky_Sage

I’m actually hoping for a the realm of azura for a chapter

Ratzkifal

Everyone who says Greymoor is Pact has no idea what the factions actually are. Eastern Skyrim is the pact. Western Skyrim hates Eastern Skyrim, partially because they allied with the Dark Elves and Argonians.

Orsinium = DC
Morrowind = EP + Telvanni, who are not part of the Pact
Summerset = AD
Elsweyr = AD
Western Skyrim = neutral

We are most likely going to get a Hammerfell or Cyrodiil chapter next, which would be DC or neutral. It's probably going to be Hammerfell because it's been a while since we've had Redguards around and the Imperials were very important in Elsweyr.
Future chapters in Blackmarsh and Telvanni lands would both be neutral, because the Argonians need to be evaluated on a Hist by Hist basis and not all tribes joined the pact.
AD has no territories left for a chapter, unless they pull some trick.
EP still has enough room for one Eastern Skyrim chapter and some Redoran and Dres content.

James-Wayne

Well your all wrong because next year (hopefilly) the 3 banners war will be ending with the return of Tharn so Alliances will break and a new threat will emerge.

Aigym_Hlervu

Winstonshead wrote: »

Next chapter needs to be for Covenant, to balance quantity of players in alliances.

Yes, it does indeed. It needs to be about the suffers your filthy Covenant would face from the Pact Forces in retaliation for everything the Covenant has done to us in Morrowind. For the burnt towns, for the killed people and families cast out of their homes. Our Bleakrock Isle is still occupied by your Covenant forces and the game does not allow us to take it back, to kill those respawning s'wits for good! With great pleasure I killed hundreds if not thousands of those filthy Covenant "soldiers" during the Pact campaign, but since I doubt the chapter about the Pact retaliation will ever be created, I perform the same revenge in Cyrodiil by killing armed Covenant enemies. You know, it's pleasure to kill a "smurf" and play a /dishonor emote over his corpse. A Dunmeri boot on a dead Breton's face what could be more beautiful at this war? Perhaps, only a half-dead Breton or an Orc slave at our Suran plantations. Anyway, it is a good answer to those who came to kill our civilians and destroy their homes.

All who drew the sword to invade our lands, are dead by the sword. What a shame your dead Breton and Orc commanders (unlike your Redguard ones who seemed to be much more clever to abstain from invasion you performed) were too bad at history. Good riddance.

Victory for the Three.

Thannazzar

James-Wayne wrote: »

Well your all wrong because next year (hopefilly) the 3 banners war will be ending with the return of Tharn so Alliances will break and a new threat will emerge.

With alliance change tokens on the PTS do you really believe ZOS only wants to milk those for 1 year?

TheShadowScout

James-Wayne wrote: »

Well your all wrong because next year (hopefilly) the 3 banners war will be ending with the return of Tharn so Alliances will break and a new threat will emerge.

Lore-wise the conflict in cyrodil will be going on for the whole interregnum - tho it will fluctuate, some years more fighting, some years less... some years the three banners, other years some independent warlord from the imperial remnant regions will make a push for the ruby throne... at one time it will even be leftover akaviri... none will succeed until Talos.
So there is that.

Game-wise... the PvPlayers will still want to have cyrodil to compare the size of their PvPness, so there is that too.

And finally...

Thannazzar wrote: »

With alliance change tokens on the PTS do you really believe ZOS only wants to milk those for 1 year?

...that.

So, don't get any hopes up for some end of the three banners war...
New threats on the other hand will come with every expansion! Now its vampires, next year... who knows? Might be cultists, might be deadric shennannigans, might be ancient evils unleashed, might be simply mortal bad guys/gals... I am sure the powers that be at ZOS are already busy on the early stages and we can only wait until the time comes for them to uveil the next big chapter. Until then - fun with vampires in western skyrim I suppose?

Aigym_Hlervu

Sometimes I catch myself thinking of why can't we just unite under a single banner there so all the players win, so nobody loses, so all Cyrodiil becomes under the the same banner for the whole campaign and then it repeats over and over again. But then I always realize that some players like me fight to revenge the Covenant and the Dominion for their atrocities in Morrowind and Argonia, the other are indifferent and play all alliances depending on the character they play, the third are just fond of those furry kittens, the fourth are the Orcs since Warcraft I and will not change that just like I won't stop being a Dunmer there as I've been all those decades, the fifth... I realize that I personally will not change my alliance in order to support the idea I mentioned above. If only the lore would support it. But the devs created a wonderful world full of violence, chaos and disorder and that is exactly what keeps that world alive. Make it peaceful and the players will quit. It all makes me think of the real world and the source of it's problems. They are much alike. Wars, Knahaten Flu all over Tamriel, reach and poor, racial intolerance, every day struggles - the game is just a simplified reflecton, a tiny model of the world we live in. And then I catch myself on thinking of what if it is all just another masterplan from the very beginning? Ah, it's just like a pure philosophy of an NPC unable to realize who they are, where they are and what for they are. Well, some of them do realize it but only within the concept the Devs allow them. So, all we left to do is.. Pact soldiers, to arms - the victory in Cyrodiil won't come to us on it's own !

ayu_fever

theres just not enough clumsy blue players to justify the demand to make the content.
thank goodness all the stinky yellow areas should be all done.
northern litter box and southern litter box was just too much khajiit content.
they make good slaves though, but not as good as argonians.

DUNMER MASTER RACE !!!!
BLOOD FOR THE PACT !!!!
RED OR DEAD BAYBAYYY !!!!

Sylvermynx

What I really wish is that there was a server just for people who are rabid about faction crap. I don't want to hear it or deal with it.

rexagamemnon

The events of greymoor take place outside of the pact though. So its not a faction related event. Western Skyrim refused to join the pact. With that said now if we look at the events in the real world. Rumors have been constantly circulating about TES:6 taking place in high rock or hammerfell. If anything the rest of that area on the ESO tamriel map is probably off limits for ZOS for the time being.

SeaGtGruff

James-Wayne wrote: »

Well your all wrong because next year (hopefilly) the 3 banners war will be ending with the return of Tharn so Alliances will break and a new threat will emerge.

I hope not-- not because I don't want to see things change in the game as a result of decisions that players make during the main, guild, and zone quests, but because I think new players should be able to experience the same things that old players did. Sure, there's no going back to the way things were before One Tamriel, so I'll never be able to experience what that was like. But I think I'd be pretty riled if I were someone who buys ESO next year and plays it for the very first time ever, all excited about getting to Level 10 so I can get invited to join the war in Cyrodiil, only to discover that the war is over and Cyrodiil is now a happy land of PvE town quests.

Luckylancer

Orsinium was a chapter, change my mind.
Big zone check
End game PvE content: vMA check
Lots of collectibles check

If they would release it today, it would be chapter.

TheShadowScout

Sylvermynx wrote: »

What I really wish is that there was a server just for people who are rabid about faction crap. I don't want to hear it or deal with it.

That would be lorebreaking!
Yeah, some people love the PvPness, and cannot get enough of it... and others would much rather it didn't happen. And that is why ZOS went with the "PvP in PvP places, and not in PvE places"...

What is a little vexing is that there are no other options. No way for people to "defect" from their alliance and maybe join some "neutral" faction... there are still a couple other players around, tho none of them with the size the three banners had. Be it imperial remnant or free nords, be it bandits or unaffiliated merchants, be it the guilds or reachmen barbarians... some of them would try to fight in the war, and others would try to stay away for it... and I am somewhat disappointed they seem to have decided to do alliance change as token and not in a better way... but alas. I often find myself disappointed in... people.

Of course, who knows? The existence of alliance change tokens would not make it impossible for them to also add a DLC with an "defection" option like I mentioned before:

TheShadowScout wrote: »

As I always say when this one comes up : I am all for alliance change - If Done RIGHT!

And by that I don't mean some token that pops your character to a new alliance, I do indeed mean a whole guild-DLC sized questline with an cloak and dagger (Or since this is ESO, "hood and dagger", perhaps?) spycraft flavor and a "faction loyalty called in question" plot, where you get to make a big choice in the middle - stay loyal to your alliance and prove yourself, or turn your back on them and defect to greener pastures elsewhere...

With the second half (or two thirds, or whatever) of the questline being different depending on your choice - either uncovering the one who actually framed you, mobilize your old and trusted allies to gather support and track down the true conspiracy while dodging the agenrs sent to bring you in; or preparing your escape, dodging the agents sent to arrest you, courting your desired new friends while grabbing some juicy secrets on the way out to sweeten the deal, etc.

Such a story could have a neutral city as "spycraft" focal point (like vienna during the cold war, where spies and agents often went to spy hard between the two sides - for ESO it could be some place between the alliances, a former imperial town declared "free city" after the fall of the empire in northern nibenay, eastern colovia or western skyrim, perhaps, or even an post-anchorite-war isle of stirk...), but otherwise take you all over the old faction regions, possibly revisiting a few one-time-only maps with new mobs... and perhaps even meeting a few familiar faces (come on, wouldn't you love to slam a porticullis shut into Razum-dars face as you hop on a boat bound to morrowind with Naryu? )

Such a questline could even have special titles depending on what you choose... "[original faction] Loyalist" or "[original faction] Defector"... obviously it would be a one-time only event, thus making serial defectors that change alliance depending on which one is currently top in cyrodil that some people always fear when this topic comes up an impossibility.

And it also might have drawbacks for PvP, like... reduced AP gain for several months, since noone fully trusts a traitor... or maybe having to re-earn all the AP up to your current rank before you start progressing again, representing your efforts to convince your new allies of your trustworthyness... and definitely increased AP rewards if a member of your original faction takes you down, because...


(there could even be a daily "hunt traitor" mission, and defectors from your PvP-characters alliance in cyrodil getting an visual clue while that mission is active...)

Also, this could be a option to add new factions to PvP. Like... have options to not just defect to one of the other two alliances, but also "go rogue" and join a new "Outlaw" faction (...black color and jolly roger flag, perhaps? Would be hostile to -every- other faction in cyrodil, and spawn at some new but unsecured base, thus very susceptible to enemy raids - trials of being an outlaw in the face of organized armies); or an "Imperial Remnant" faction (purple imperial diamond flag, spawning in some ill-secured legion base somewhere, possibly at the nibenay border, and also fighting everyone else, but turning all the "imperial" NPCs in cyrodil non-hostile?), or a "neutral" faction that is "yellow" to everyone (green flag and incapable of capturing locations, spawning at vasrious random merchant camps and such...)
Might be too complicated, but would still be interesting!

And then whose who were not into PvPnesscould do that DLC and shift to the "neutral" faction, so that everyone can see, they are friendly to all. They will likely still be ganked in cyrodil, people being people, but... at least they would no longer feel compelled to join into the factionistic rabidness...

Luckylancer wrote: »

Orsinium was a chapter...
...If they would release it today, it would be chapter.

Well, yeah. Duh. So was Craglorn, or would have been if they had that marketing concept in effect back then. But since they didn't... Orsinium was not technically a chapter, but a chapter-equivalent DLC.

Nemesis7884

looking forward to cyrodiil....oblivion vibes

Zulera301

Orsinium was kind of a chapter before ZO$ got the idea that they could squeeze more money out of people by labelling these large DLCs as "chapters" and thus having an excuse to not include them with ESO+.
it did kind of set the standard for other chapter zones, with elements such as daily delve/WB quests, 2 public dungeons/18 skyshards in the zone, and lengthy story quests, among other things.
we also got Craglorn which is kind of just its own weird thing back from an era when ESO had no clue what it was doing.

Really, the only thing that sets Orsinium apart from the chapters is the lack of either a new class or new game mechanic (although it did introduce the notorious Maelstrom Arena, for better or for worse). but there's your Daggerfall Covenant zone. can't say I'd oppose a Hammerfell zone though soon.

if it's any consolation though, unless we get some kind of instanced version of Valenwood or Summerset (I wouldn't mind seeing a restored Cloudrest or Sunhold either), we're out of places to go in the Dominion, unless ZOS decides to give us a "chapter" that's the size of that missing crack of Elsweyr. xD but I won't give them ideas.

just some things to think about. I'm guessing we're gonna go to the Colovian Highlands in either Q4 2020 or Q2 2021 though given the rumours from the PTS and NPC banter, coupled with the fact that we have a gate leading to the Colovian Highlands on the east end of the Gold Coast map.

just my 2¢.

ProfessorKittyhawk

I'd be okay with another chapter about Orcs if it means seeing Bazrag again. If they are holding on to Hammerfell for ES6 and don't wanna do more with it in ESO, Orsinium would be a way to go. That and we might actually finally get an Orc centric cinematic trailer. Fengrush would be happy.