DPS comparison

Winstonshead

Hi
Who already tested DPS on PTS? I can't do it good, because of my ping on NA server
Is there difference between live and PTS with old builds?
If you did that, share results please, no matter that class

SidraWillowsky

Winstonshead wrote: »

Hi
Who already tested DPS on PTS? I can't do it good, because of my ping on NA server
Is there difference between live and PTS with old builds?
If you did that, share results please, no matter that class

So I feel like I'm the only person left who parses a lot on the 3/6 mil dummies. For me personally it's a much better indicator of how I'm going to perform- my max "real life" DPS is about 5-7k higher than my 6 mil parses but much, much lower (close to 30k) lower than my 21 mil parses. So, I personally use the 6 mil to get an idea of performance.

I main a magwarden but have also tested stamwarden, stamblade, magblade, and stamplar. My DPS on self-buffed parses went up a bit on the wardens and is about the same on the rest. On live, I'm generally hitting 48-49k on my magwarden. In the PTS it's a bit higher (50k) using the exact same setup. When I switch to the perfected vMA staff, I can easily and consistently hit 51-52k using the current meta setup (Mother's Sorrow, Siroria, Zaan, vMA inferno staff) and actually was able to hit 54k using Nerein'th (sp). Really nice improvements to Nereinth and Skoria that make them actually worth running (I don't really need the extra health that Skoria provides). I noticed that 50k is possible on a lot more sets now too when paired with the perfect vMA staff and Zaan/Nereinth- Spell Strat, Scathing Mage, Caluurion's Legacy, and a few others all result in great DPS; I think a wider of variety of sets will be feasible if things go live as-is, which is nice.

Stamwarden also feels strong using Selene, Relequen, sets like AY/Dragonguard/Deadly/twice-fanged serpent, and the vMA bow. DPS is lower than my magwarden, but 50k is still pretty easy to clear.

I will note, however, that my 21 mil DPS is almost exactly the same as it is on live- since Wardens can self-buff to get minor berserk and major break/fracture, my 21 mil parses are pretty average (84-85k on magwarden and mid-70s on stamwarden). There is still little reason to bring warden DDs to raid groups due to their lack of group utility as well. If the Thrassian set manages to go live, magwardens will likely see more usage in high-end raid groups that try to use Thrassians in trials- rotating Northern Storm ultis and Frost Cloak can mitigate 38% of the 40% damage increase. That would be a very niche usage of magwarden, so generally they're still not great for groups.

A lot of PvE DD classes were generally left alone, and many of meta the sets they use now on live were buffed a bit (Velidreth, Zaan, Selene, Skoria). I'd say this is good or neutral for most classes, though it seems like the poor magDKs have been unfairly gutted. Nightblades being left alone is also a massive slap to the face- the class desperately needs help.

daemonor

I am from PC EU but testing on the pts server i get better results than live. I mean on live i dont have full divines and double perfecfted sets but thats about it. Tho it's a pretty unpopular build i suppose - 2h/bow stam dk with wrecking blow spammable. I tried kvatch gladiator cause cause I thought the 1.4 weapon damage multiplied by x3 bloodthirsty would go ham on execute but it was behind by 6k-7k dps compared to lokestiz so that's pretty dissapointing.



That's rougly a 10k difference from what I can do on live EU, missing out 6% crit dmg from divines 3% bloodthirsty damage from legendary rings and x2 perfected bonuses from selene and lokestiz.

SidraWillowsky

daemonor wrote: »

I am from PC EU but testing on the pts server i get better results than live. I mean on live i dont have full divines and double perfecfted sets but thats about it. Tho it's a pretty unpopular build i suppose - 2h/bow stam dk with wrecking blow spammable. I tried kvatch gladiator cause cause I thought the 1.4 weapon damage multiplied by x3 bloodthirsty would go ham on execute but it was behind by 6k-7k dps compared to lokestiz so that's pretty dissapointing.



That's rougly a 10k difference from what I can do on live EU, missing out 6% crit dmg from divines 3% bloodthirsty damage from legendary rings and x2 perfected bonuses from selene and lokestiz.

Oh that's a bummer re. Kvatch Gladiator- was going to try it on a stamblade but it sounds like it's not worth it.

Winstonshead

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Winstonshead wrote: »

Hi
Who already tested DPS on PTS? I can't do it good, because of my ping on NA server
Is there difference between live and PTS with old builds?
If you did that, share results please, no matter that class

So I feel like I'm the only person left who parses a lot on the 3/6 mil dummies. For me personally it's a much better indicator of how I'm going to perform- my max "real life" DPS is about 5-7k higher than my 6 mil parses but much, much lower (close to 30k) lower than my 21 mil parses. So, I personally use the 6 mil to get an idea of performance.

I main a magwarden but have also tested stamwarden, stamblade, magblade, and stamplar. My DPS on self-buffed parses went up a bit on the wardens and is about the same on the rest. On live, I'm generally hitting 48-49k on my magwarden. In the PTS it's a bit higher (50k) using the exact same setup. When I switch to the perfected vMA staff, I can easily and consistently hit 51-52k using the current meta setup (Mother's Sorrow, Siroria, Zaan, vMA inferno staff) and actually was able to hit 54k using Nerein'th (sp). Really nice improvements to Nereinth and Skoria that make them actually worth running (I don't really need the extra health that Skoria provides). I noticed that 50k is possible on a lot more sets now too when paired with the perfect vMA staff and Zaan/Nereinth- Spell Strat, Scathing Mage, Caluurion's Legacy, and a few others all result in great DPS; I think a wider of variety of sets will be feasible if things go live as-is, which is nice.

Stamwarden also feels strong using Selene, Relequen, sets like AY/Dragonguard/Deadly/twice-fanged serpent, and the vMA bow. DPS is lower than my magwarden, but 50k is still pretty easy to clear.

I will note, however, that my 21 mil DPS is almost exactly the same as it is on live- since Wardens can self-buff to get minor berserk and major break/fracture, my 21 mil parses are pretty average (84-85k on magwarden and mid-70s on stamwarden). There is still little reason to bring warden DDs to raid groups due to their lack of group utility as well. If the Thrassian set manages to go live, magwardens will likely see more usage in high-end raid groups that try to use Thrassians in trials- rotating Northern Storm ultis and Frost Cloak can mitigate 38% of the 40% damage increase. That would be a very niche usage of magwarden, so generally they're still not great for groups.

A lot of PvE DD classes were generally left alone, and many of meta the sets they use now on live were buffed a bit (Velidreth, Zaan, Selene, Skoria). I'd say this is good or neutral for most classes, though it seems like the poor magDKs have been unfairly gutted. Nightblades being left alone is also a massive slap to the face- the class desperately needs help.

Thank you a lot for your post!
Did you have any problems with sustain?

Runefang

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Winstonshead wrote: »

Hi
Who already tested DPS on PTS? I can't do it good, because of my ping on NA server
Is there difference between live and PTS with old builds?
If you did that, share results please, no matter that class

So I feel like I'm the only person left who parses a lot on the 3/6 mil dummies. For me personally it's a much better indicator of how I'm going to perform- my max "real life" DPS is about 5-7k higher than my 6 mil parses but much, much lower (close to 30k) lower than my 21 mil parses. So, I personally use the 6 mil to get an idea of performance.

I main a magwarden but have also tested stamwarden, stamblade, magblade, and stamplar. My DPS on self-buffed parses went up a bit on the wardens and is about the same on the rest. On live, I'm generally hitting 48-49k on my magwarden. In the PTS it's a bit higher (50k) using the exact same setup. When I switch to the perfected vMA staff, I can easily and consistently hit 51-52k using the current meta setup (Mother's Sorrow, Siroria, Zaan, vMA inferno staff) and actually was able to hit 54k using Nerein'th (sp). Really nice improvements to Nereinth and Skoria that make them actually worth running (I don't really need the extra health that Skoria provides). I noticed that 50k is possible on a lot more sets now too when paired with the perfect vMA staff and Zaan/Nereinth- Spell Strat, Scathing Mage, Caluurion's Legacy, and a few others all result in great DPS; I think a wider of variety of sets will be feasible if things go live as-is, which is nice.

Stamwarden also feels strong using Selene, Relequen, sets like AY/Dragonguard/Deadly/twice-fanged serpent, and the vMA bow. DPS is lower than my magwarden, but 50k is still pretty easy to clear.

I will note, however, that my 21 mil DPS is almost exactly the same as it is on live- since Wardens can self-buff to get minor berserk and major break/fracture, my 21 mil parses are pretty average (84-85k on magwarden and mid-70s on stamwarden). There is still little reason to bring warden DDs to raid groups due to their lack of group utility as well. If the Thrassian set manages to go live, magwardens will likely see more usage in high-end raid groups that try to use Thrassians in trials- rotating Northern Storm ultis and Frost Cloak can mitigate 38% of the 40% damage increase. That would be a very niche usage of magwarden, so generally they're still not great for groups.

A lot of PvE DD classes were generally left alone, and many of meta the sets they use now on live were buffed a bit (Velidreth, Zaan, Selene, Skoria). I'd say this is good or neutral for most classes, though it seems like the poor magDKs have been unfairly gutted. Nightblades being left alone is also a massive slap to the face- the class desperately needs help.

Magblades are the top magicka class in PvE now with MagDKs nerfed. Magsorcs and Magplars are pretty close too but lack the ST damage of Magblades. Magcros are in a good spot and will always have a raid spot with major vulnerability anyway. Shame they’re terrible to play.

Pet classes got a small buff so I think Magdens are in a good spot damage wise now too. As you said lack of group utility is an issue. If Thrassian goes live as is I’ll be so surprised, but happy if it means I bring my Magden to trials again.

SidraWillowsky

Winstonshead wrote: »

Thank you a lot for your post!
Did you have any problems with sustain?

I'm thrilled to report that for the first time in a very, very long time I'm able to sustain (with my Breton) on a six mil without having to heavy attack almost at all. I tried an Altmer and self-buffed parses were a bit problematic in that regard, but on the 21 mil on an Altmer my magicka never dropped low enough that I had to consider using Spell Symmetry, which is a first.

That said, the moment of truth will come when I try a parse on an Altmer magplar. Sustain on that class is abysmal even on a Breton on live, so I'm a bit nervous. I'll perhaps give that a got tonight...

SidraWillowsky

Runefang wrote: »

Magblades are the top magicka class in PvE now with MagDKs nerfed. Magsorcs and Magplars are pretty close too but lack the ST damage of Magblades. Magcros are in a good spot and will always have a raid spot with major vulnerability anyway. Shame they’re terrible to play.

Pet classes got a small buff so I think Magdens are in a good spot damage wise now too. As you said lack of group utility is an issue. If Thrassian goes live as is I’ll be so surprised, but happy if it means I bring my Magden to trials again.

Oh wow, I didn't know that re. Magblades. I just cannot for the life of me get the hang of that class; something about it has just never clicked for me, so my DPS on them is always rather mediocre.

Magden's got a ways to go to get to the top of the DPS pyramid, and I don't expect the class to get there any time soon, but it's a major relief that nothing got nerfed this patch. Obviously I'd rather see buffs, but I was worried it would get reverted back to where it was about a year ago, where its DPS wasn't even in the same dimension as most other mag classes.

Kurat

Runefang wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Winstonshead wrote: »

Hi
Who already tested DPS on PTS? I can't do it good, because of my ping on NA server
Is there difference between live and PTS with old builds?
If you did that, share results please, no matter that class

So I feel like I'm the only person left who parses a lot on the 3/6 mil dummies. For me personally it's a much better indicator of how I'm going to perform- my max "real life" DPS is about 5-7k higher than my 6 mil parses but much, much lower (close to 30k) lower than my 21 mil parses. So, I personally use the 6 mil to get an idea of performance.

I main a magwarden but have also tested stamwarden, stamblade, magblade, and stamplar. My DPS on self-buffed parses went up a bit on the wardens and is about the same on the rest. On live, I'm generally hitting 48-49k on my magwarden. In the PTS it's a bit higher (50k) using the exact same setup. When I switch to the perfected vMA staff, I can easily and consistently hit 51-52k using the current meta setup (Mother's Sorrow, Siroria, Zaan, vMA inferno staff) and actually was able to hit 54k using Nerein'th (sp). Really nice improvements to Nereinth and Skoria that make them actually worth running (I don't really need the extra health that Skoria provides). I noticed that 50k is possible on a lot more sets now too when paired with the perfect vMA staff and Zaan/Nereinth- Spell Strat, Scathing Mage, Caluurion's Legacy, and a few others all result in great DPS; I think a wider of variety of sets will be feasible if things go live as-is, which is nice.

Stamwarden also feels strong using Selene, Relequen, sets like AY/Dragonguard/Deadly/twice-fanged serpent, and the vMA bow. DPS is lower than my magwarden, but 50k is still pretty easy to clear.

I will note, however, that my 21 mil DPS is almost exactly the same as it is on live- since Wardens can self-buff to get minor berserk and major break/fracture, my 21 mil parses are pretty average (84-85k on magwarden and mid-70s on stamwarden). There is still little reason to bring warden DDs to raid groups due to their lack of group utility as well. If the Thrassian set manages to go live, magwardens will likely see more usage in high-end raid groups that try to use Thrassians in trials- rotating Northern Storm ultis and Frost Cloak can mitigate 38% of the 40% damage increase. That would be a very niche usage of magwarden, so generally they're still not great for groups.

A lot of PvE DD classes were generally left alone, and many of meta the sets they use now on live were buffed a bit (Velidreth, Zaan, Selene, Skoria). I'd say this is good or neutral for most classes, though it seems like the poor magDKs have been unfairly gutted. Nightblades being left alone is also a massive slap to the face- the class desperately needs help.

Magblades are the top magicka class in PvE now with MagDKs nerfed. Magsorcs and Magplars are pretty close too but lack the ST damage of Magblades. Magcros are in a good spot and will always have a raid spot with major vulnerability anyway. Shame they’re terrible to play.

Pet classes got a small buff so I think Magdens are in a good spot damage wise now too. As you said lack of group utility is an issue. If Thrassian goes live as is I’ll be so surprised, but happy if it means I bring my Magden to trials again.

How did pet classes get buffed? I must've missed it in patch notes.

ecru

Kurat wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Winstonshead wrote: »

Hi
Who already tested DPS on PTS? I can't do it good, because of my ping on NA server
Is there difference between live and PTS with old builds?
If you did that, share results please, no matter that class

So I feel like I'm the only person left who parses a lot on the 3/6 mil dummies. For me personally it's a much better indicator of how I'm going to perform- my max "real life" DPS is about 5-7k higher than my 6 mil parses but much, much lower (close to 30k) lower than my 21 mil parses. So, I personally use the 6 mil to get an idea of performance.

I main a magwarden but have also tested stamwarden, stamblade, magblade, and stamplar. My DPS on self-buffed parses went up a bit on the wardens and is about the same on the rest. On live, I'm generally hitting 48-49k on my magwarden. In the PTS it's a bit higher (50k) using the exact same setup. When I switch to the perfected vMA staff, I can easily and consistently hit 51-52k using the current meta setup (Mother's Sorrow, Siroria, Zaan, vMA inferno staff) and actually was able to hit 54k using Nerein'th (sp). Really nice improvements to Nereinth and Skoria that make them actually worth running (I don't really need the extra health that Skoria provides). I noticed that 50k is possible on a lot more sets now too when paired with the perfect vMA staff and Zaan/Nereinth- Spell Strat, Scathing Mage, Caluurion's Legacy, and a few others all result in great DPS; I think a wider of variety of sets will be feasible if things go live as-is, which is nice.

Stamwarden also feels strong using Selene, Relequen, sets like AY/Dragonguard/Deadly/twice-fanged serpent, and the vMA bow. DPS is lower than my magwarden, but 50k is still pretty easy to clear.

I will note, however, that my 21 mil DPS is almost exactly the same as it is on live- since Wardens can self-buff to get minor berserk and major break/fracture, my 21 mil parses are pretty average (84-85k on magwarden and mid-70s on stamwarden). There is still little reason to bring warden DDs to raid groups due to their lack of group utility as well. If the Thrassian set manages to go live, magwardens will likely see more usage in high-end raid groups that try to use Thrassians in trials- rotating Northern Storm ultis and Frost Cloak can mitigate 38% of the 40% damage increase. That would be a very niche usage of magwarden, so generally they're still not great for groups.

A lot of PvE DD classes were generally left alone, and many of meta the sets they use now on live were buffed a bit (Velidreth, Zaan, Selene, Skoria). I'd say this is good or neutral for most classes, though it seems like the poor magDKs have been unfairly gutted. Nightblades being left alone is also a massive slap to the face- the class desperately needs help.

Magblades are the top magicka class in PvE now with MagDKs nerfed. Magsorcs and Magplars are pretty close too but lack the ST damage of Magblades. Magcros are in a good spot and will always have a raid spot with major vulnerability anyway. Shame they’re terrible to play.

Pet classes got a small buff so I think Magdens are in a good spot damage wise now too. As you said lack of group utility is an issue. If Thrassian goes live as is I’ll be so surprised, but happy if it means I bring my Magden to trials again.

How did pet classes get buffed? I must've missed it in patch notes.

Someone said that bloodthirsty is working for pets but I didn't see any higher damage on blastbones in my parses on my magcro than I see on live with 3 bloodthirsty. Maybe it's working for every other pet besides necro pets? That would be an interesting way to further nerf necro.

Runefang

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Magblades are the top magicka class in PvE now with MagDKs nerfed. Magsorcs and Magplars are pretty close too but lack the ST damage of Magblades. Magcros are in a good spot and will always have a raid spot with major vulnerability anyway. Shame they’re terrible to play.

Pet classes got a small buff so I think Magdens are in a good spot damage wise now too. As you said lack of group utility is an issue. If Thrassian goes live as is I’ll be so surprised, but happy if it means I bring my Magden to trials again.

Oh wow, I didn't know that re. Magblades. I just cannot for the life of me get the hang of that class; something about it has just never clicked for me, so my DPS on them is always rather mediocre.

Magden's got a ways to go to get to the top of the DPS pyramid, and I don't expect the class to get there any time soon, but it's a major relief that nothing got nerfed this patch. Obviously I'd rather see buffs, but I was worried it would get reverted back to where it was about a year ago, where its DPS wasn't even in the same dimension as most other mag classes.

All mag dps classes are really close except for MagDK now - so I wouldn't discount Magdens at all, they're as viable damage wise as anything else. I hit 86k on live with a static rotation, I think 88k on the PTS should be doable with no cheese just thanks to the pet buffs. In the hands of a Liko or somebody else good then 90k+ is definitely doable, bringing them pretty much level with any other class.

That's assuming Thrassian Stranglers and the vampire skills are a non-event after ZOS nerf them in the next few PTS patches. If they stay as is then it's gonna be a weird 3 months of gameplay I think lol, it'll result in the biggest and fastest meta shift ever. Magdens are a big winner in that meta with 10% magic damage increase on a cheap vampire spammable and the ability to bring major protection to a group.

Narvuntien

So everyone is whining that MagDk was gutted but my dps is the same. Strangely even with less regen from vamp my sustain seemed better than usual, I don't know where the sustain buff is coming from...

Was there some kind of meta build I am just not aware of so I was just using a build from last year still that didn't get changed

Runefang

Narvuntien wrote: »

So everyone is whining that MagDk was gutted but my dps is the same. Strangely even with less regen from vamp my sustain seemed better than usual, I don't know where the sustain buff is coming from...

Was there some kind of meta build I am just not aware of so I was just using a build from last year still that didn't get changed

Yeah if you weren't using the Asylum staff you won't notice a difference.

validifyedneb18_ESO

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Winstonshead wrote: »

Hi
Who already tested DPS on PTS? I can't do it good, because of my ping on NA server
Is there difference between live and PTS with old builds?
If you did that, share results please, no matter that class

So I feel like I'm the only person left who parses a lot on the 3/6 mil dummies.

I still do too The iron attro completely messes with my perception of test numbers. That said only use 3 mill while doing quick tests, never use 3 mill for a propper pass as the fight is too short to get a good read.

John_Falstaff

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Winstonshead wrote: »

Hi
Who already tested DPS on PTS? I can't do it good, because of my ping on NA server
Is there difference between live and PTS with old builds?
If you did that, share results please, no matter that class

So I feel like I'm the only person left who parses a lot on the 3/6 mil dummies.

I still do too The iron attro completely messes with my perception of test numbers. That said only use 3 mill while doing quick tests, never use 3 mill for a propper pass as the fight is too short to get a good read.

Odd; I would consider that iron atro is more representative of the raid. Sure, you won't have that much warhorn, but on non-raid dummy, most classes you'd parse on won't have a whole lot of other stuff you'll have with absolute guarantee in group. Even sustain alone would be provided.

I do parse on 3mil sometimes to practice for Eternal Servant on vSS HM, but even that isn't really representative since you have two other people there with you, and you probably get warhorn just before you go down.

validifyedneb18_ESO

John_Falstaff wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Winstonshead wrote: »

Hi
Who already tested DPS on PTS? I can't do it good, because of my ping on NA server
Is there difference between live and PTS with old builds?
If you did that, share results please, no matter that class

So I feel like I'm the only person left who parses a lot on the 3/6 mil dummies.

I still do too The iron attro completely messes with my perception of test numbers. That said only use 3 mill while doing quick tests, never use 3 mill for a propper pass as the fight is too short to get a good read.

Odd; I would consider that iron atro is more representative of the raid. Sure, you won't have that much warhorn, but on non-raid dummy, most classes you'd parse on won't have a whole lot of other stuff you'll have with absolute guarantee in group. Even sustain alone would be provided.

I do parse on 3mil sometimes to practice for Eternal Servant on vSS HM, but even that isn't really representative since you have two other people there with you, and you probably get warhorn just before you go down.

Im just used to reading 6m passes, I also tend to build self sufficient builds as I find them more fun to play.

SidraWillowsky

Runefang wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Magblades are the top magicka class in PvE now with MagDKs nerfed. Magsorcs and Magplars are pretty close too but lack the ST damage of Magblades. Magcros are in a good spot and will always have a raid spot with major vulnerability anyway. Shame they’re terrible to play.

Pet classes got a small buff so I think Magdens are in a good spot damage wise now too. As you said lack of group utility is an issue. If Thrassian goes live as is I’ll be so surprised, but happy if it means I bring my Magden to trials again.

Oh wow, I didn't know that re. Magblades. I just cannot for the life of me get the hang of that class; something about it has just never clicked for me, so my DPS on them is always rather mediocre.

Magden's got a ways to go to get to the top of the DPS pyramid, and I don't expect the class to get there any time soon, but it's a major relief that nothing got nerfed this patch. Obviously I'd rather see buffs, but I was worried it would get reverted back to where it was about a year ago, where its DPS wasn't even in the same dimension as most other mag classes.

All mag dps classes are really close except for MagDK now - so I wouldn't discount Magdens at all, they're as viable damage wise as anything else. I hit 86k on live with a static rotation, I think 88k on the PTS should be doable with no cheese just thanks to the pet buffs. In the hands of a Liko or somebody else good then 90k+ is definitely doable, bringing them pretty much level with any other class.

That's assuming Thrassian Stranglers and the vampire skills are a non-event after ZOS nerf them in the next few PTS patches. If they stay as is then it's gonna be a weird 3 months of gameplay I think lol, it'll result in the biggest and fastest meta shift ever. Magdens are a big winner in that meta with 10% magic damage increase on a cheap vampire spammable and the ability to bring major protection to a group.

Oh for sure- I'm just excited that I'm finally seeing other magwarden DDs in my pug groups. There were three of us in a trial I ran a few weeks ago. The numbers are still low but for months I quite literally never saw another magwarden DD outside of one of my guildies. I hope that it's finally been able to shed the stigma of being such a godawful class.

I would love to see the Thrassian Stranglers go live for like... a week. Just to see what people can come up with. I'd worry about magdens getting nerfed if it goes live permanently. But I don't think that'll happen, lol.

SidraWillowsky

John_Falstaff wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Winstonshead wrote: »

Hi
Who already tested DPS on PTS? I can't do it good, because of my ping on NA server
Is there difference between live and PTS with old builds?
If you did that, share results please, no matter that class

So I feel like I'm the only person left who parses a lot on the 3/6 mil dummies.

I still do too The iron attro completely messes with my perception of test numbers. That said only use 3 mill while doing quick tests, never use 3 mill for a propper pass as the fight is too short to get a good read.

Odd; I would consider that iron atro is more representative of the raid. Sure, you won't have that much warhorn, but on non-raid dummy, most classes you'd parse on won't have a whole lot of other stuff you'll have with absolute guarantee in group. Even sustain alone would be provided.

I do parse on 3mil sometimes to practice for Eternal Servant on vSS HM, but even that isn't really representative since you have two other people there with you, and you probably get warhorn just before you go down.

For me, self-buffed parses are more accurate because my main guild is just starting to get into progression runs of the harder (aka non-Craglorn) vet trials. Right now the goal is just to finish. While that's not mutually exclusive with getting all of the buffs we need, we've started to look at buff uptimes and realized that some of them are pretty low and are just starting to work on coordinating. Historically, I've relied on my own self-buffs, which I think is why I think that my 6 mil parses have been a more accurate representation of my DPS numbers. I'm starting to see them go up in trials as we work on things, so hopefully one day soon I'll be able to say that the 21 mil is more accurate.