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Imbalance in trait bonus of new perfected weapons.
CleymenZero
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Basically this.
I think the mechanic of the weapon used should've been taken into account.
If the weapon is a "Back barred" weapon, the bonus added is insignificant. You typically spend less than 30% of your time on your back bar so the maelstrom bow and destroy bonus is extremely diluted VS the bonus on the Master 2H for example.
It's basically a cosmetic improvement. I have dozens of maelstrom and master weapons and I'm now definitely in the camp that believes that old arena weapons should just be upgraded to perfected.
I really want to be positive but this combined to many other changes makes it impossible...
I think the mechanic of the weapon used should've been taken into account.
If the weapon is a "Back barred" weapon, the bonus added is insignificant. You typically spend less than 30% of your time on your back bar so the maelstrom bow and destroy bonus is extremely diluted VS the bonus on the Master 2H for example.
It's basically a cosmetic improvement. I have dozens of maelstrom and master weapons and I'm now definitely in the camp that believes that old arena weapons should just be upgraded to perfected.
I really want to be positive but this combined to many other changes makes it impossible...
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llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭Either they need to add a timer to the stat, eg vma bow - dealing crit damage gives you 633 crit damage for 7s.
Or give every weapon a bonus trait, like infused.Edited by llBlack_Heartll on April 21, 2020 12:42AM0 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I agree with you, the Perfected bonuses seem like afterthoughts, especially for the back-bar sets.
On the other hand, I think that this is by design. The combat team wants to forcibly conform performance between new and veteran players and giving insignificant Perfected bonuses to these sets is simply a back door method of achieving that goal.3 -
llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »I agree with you, the Perfected bonuses seem like afterthoughts, especially for the back-bar sets.
On the other hand, I think that this is by design. The combat team wants to forcibly conform performance between new and veteran players and giving insignificant Perfected bonuses to these sets is simply a back door method of achieving that goal.
There will never be conform performance between vet and new players, why? Because vet players have spent time learning the game and know mechanics in and out, where as new players don’t have the exp.
Giving a new player end game weapons, isn’t going to get them through tough content.
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xylena✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »On the other hand, I think that this is by design. The combat team wants to forcibly conform performance between new and veteran players and giving insignificant Perfected bonuses to these sets is simply a back door method of achieving that goal.
If they actually cared about the gap between old and new players, they'd give everyone 810 CP upon hitting Lv50 (or delete the CP system entirely).Retired until we break the Tank Meta1 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »On the other hand, I think that this is by design. The combat team wants to forcibly conform performance between new and veteran players and giving insignificant Perfected bonuses to these sets is simply a back door method of achieving that goal.
If they actually cared about the gap between old and new players, they'd give everyone 810 CP upon hitting Lv50 (or delete the CP system entirely).
I understand the point but it would devalue so many other veteran's work.
I have 1330+ CP. I don't get anything for earning that many CPs. If I could at least bank that exp and use it to level other characters skill lines. Idk.0 -
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✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »On the other hand, I think that this is by design. The combat team wants to forcibly conform performance between new and veteran players and giving insignificant Perfected bonuses to these sets is simply a back door method of achieving that goal.
If they actually cared about the gap between old and new players, they'd give everyone 810 CP upon hitting Lv50 (or delete the CP system entirely).
CP removal is on the bucket list. They basically already said CP is next up for major revamp.0 -
Zealand✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Either they need to add a timer to the stat, eg vma now - dealing crit damage gives you 633 crit damage for 7s.
Or give every weapon a bonus trait, like infused.
I agree with this, there will be no need to farm the vet Maelstrom staff for the penetration bonus when you spend little time on the back bar. It needs some bonus that can carry to the front bar.0 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭So conflicted.
I want my bow upgraded, yet I am happy I can farm other sets faster for PvP.PvP needs more love.0 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »I agree with you, the Perfected bonuses seem like afterthoughts, especially for the back-bar sets.
On the other hand, I think that this is by design. The combat team wants to forcibly conform performance between new and veteran players and giving insignificant Perfected bonuses to these sets is simply a back door method of achieving that goal.
There will never be conform performance between vet and new players, why? Because vet players have spent time learning the game and know mechanics in and out, where as new players don’t have the exp.
Giving a new player end game weapons, isn’t going to get them through tough content.
I'm aware, but ZOS is doing what is actually in their power (itemization, abilities, game mechanics) to forcibly close the gap.
Player skill will always be a bell-curve so ZOS is attempting to crop out the lower and upper bounds of the plot.0 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Either they need to add a timer to the stat, eg vma now - dealing crit damage gives you 633 crit damage for 7s.
Or give every weapon a bonus trait, like infused.
I agree with this, there will be no need to farm the vet Maelstrom staff for the penetration bonus when you spend little time on the back bar. It needs some bonus that can carry to the front bar.
Not only that but mag are at max pen with 10 points in erosion. Even removing the points from erosion, you can still overpen when you're in a group with good debuffs.2 -
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I've got 1700+ and would give my excess CP to rando noobs if I could.CleymenZero wrote: »I understand the point but it would devalue so many other veteran's work.
It's so sad to look at my friends list and see these offline CP400 players I remember selling Skyreach carries to, they burned out on the grind and hadn't logged in for months.
No amount of cast times or faction locks are going to make the game fair to new players when they're buried under the weight of the CP system. I'm skeptical that this proposed overhaul will even ever happen, let alone actually address the fundamental problems with the system.Edited by xylena on April 21, 2020 1:14AMRetired until we break the Tank Meta0 -
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✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »
Exactly. Doesn't seem worth the effort. May as well just focus on getting 1 of every non-perfect which will take significantly less time and effort.PvP needs more love.0