R.I.P. Bloodspawn....you will be missed

universal_wrath

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

ZOS: nerfs bloodspawn
players: we will use 2 double armor pieces
ZOS: removes double armor bonus from monster sets for "standardization"
also ZOS: adds double bonus to swarm mother

Swarm Mother: Changed the 1 piece bonus of this set to 1096 Max Magicka and Max Stamina, instead of 129 Stamina Recovery.

this is not the same kind of "double bonus" that Chudan, Pirate Skeleton and Lord Warden had, if it was, it would be 2192 max stam and mag.

No. 1487 armor is 1 set bonus. 1k magicka and 1k stamina are 2 set bonuses.

Yes. as far as one piece stats are concerned, yes they are. that is what they are, 1096 for max stam/mag stats and 129 for weapon/spell damage. they are definitely equal when you are saying that is what they are on a 2/3/4 piece of a 5 piece set, like i am saying.

Monster sets are supposed to be different. There is no reason to compare 5pc to 2 pc, that is not how you balance the sets, look up for other 2 pc sets that are similar and adjust occordingly, but where is th uniqueness in this?

ccfeeling

Create Mythic , destroy monsters

universal_wrath

FoolishOptimist wrote: »

People on this forum: Deal with the tank meta!

Also people on this forum: dOnT tOuCh mA BlUdSpAwN!!!


Kesstryl wrote: »
What will PVE Tanks use now? All the tanky monster sets are nerfed for PVP. So sick of not having PVE separate from PVP

If you were using Bloodspawn to gain your resistances, your mitigation would be yoyo-ing too much. Bloodspawn was a great tank set primarily for the ulti-gen, and it's still a good choice for that reason. Personally, I'm glad to see Swarm Mother's one piece now increases max Stam and Mag. It's a wonderful option for tanks wanting to save bar space or those without an efficient pull.

Also, Shadowrend's debuff is now unique, improving further group damage mitigation.

That is not how you deal with tank meta. Bleed which ignore resistance, penalty on blocking for 3+ secs, 0 recovey of all resources during block, dmg ignoring block, there are some ways to deal with tank meta. Also, people and PvP atleast used shadowrend for the maim and dmg, now it will deal almost zero dmg and uselss for most part as defensive set. It is unique debuff, but minor main was better for the sake of solo players and pvp. nightblade surprise attack is uniue debuff, but that did not make the stronger or better, only worse.

Alucardo

So yeah, they turned one of their greatest designed monster sets into a trashpile. Congrats ZOS. Please just release new content and stop touching things.

solasub

Everybody speaks about "tank meta" ; no one about "Sieges meta", when 20 people hiding on the walls siege 3 people , Xmeatbags+ XcoldFire + Xlightning Ballistas + XTrebuchet VS 1player.
No nerf for sieges incoming.
But yes I guess Zos is aware of that, Cyro land of zerg and they like it, it just will be more and more with the next patch.

Moonsorrow

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

Kesstryl wrote: »

What will PVE Tanks use now? All the tanky monster sets are nerfed for PVP. So sick of not having PVE separate from PVP

tremorscale or Shadowrend. both look great in the next patch.

Agreed.

And Lord Warden`s mitigation to others will still be at okay level and needed in some content where can stack..

But, i sorta can see a certain support set most likely on all/most support players on raids. Knowers know lol.

It is week 1 though, so things can still happen.

Artorias24

It really shocked me to See Bloodspawn nerfed into oblivion.... I Had 6 sets golded Out. Heavy, medium light. Was using it everywhere. Was balanced and good. Now useless...

Saubon

I don't understand, ppl were complaining for so long about tank meta, about immortal players in CP campaign and now when they finally nerfed defensive monster sets and impen you are all mad.

Next time think before you bother Clavicus Vile with your wishes:)

evoniee

*insert palbearers memes*

Alucardo

Saubon wrote: »

I don't understand, ppl were complaining for so long about tank meta, about immortal players in CP campaign and now when they finally nerfed defensive monster sets and impen you are all mad.

Next time think before you bother Clavicus Vile with your wishes:)

One of the biggest problem sets was probably Troll King. Seeing that take a hit actually makes me a little giddy with joy if I'm honest.

Mayrael

Alucardo wrote: »

Saubon wrote: »

I don't understand, ppl were complaining for so long about tank meta, about immortal players in CP campaign and now when they finally nerfed defensive monster sets and impen you are all mad.

Next time think before you bother Clavicus Vile with your wishes:)

One of the biggest problem sets was probably Troll King. Seeing that take a hit actually makes me a little giddy with joy if I'm honest.

Maybe not very popular opinion but bloodspawn was ok in the past, but after nerfs of other defensive sets it was standing out, now it's more on pair with them. Both troll king and bloodspawn deserved a nerf (it was especially frustrating to fight wardens using this set because of sick ult gen and top resistances, wardens could cast their healing ulti almost on cool down).

I think when so many people cries because of this set nerf, it was a well deserved nerf - all of them was using this set for a reason.

As I said in other thread, sets I use got nerfed to, but I already have 3 new setups in place of the one I use currently. Adapt guys...

Brrrofski

Let's be honest - it was too strong.

For most builds, mag or stam, it was the go to set. Almost default.

I'm ok with the armor reduction personally (there's way too mitigation in pvp) but I feel like the ult gen could have stayed as it was.

ZeroXFF

Kesstryl wrote: »

What will PVE Tanks use now? All the tanky monster sets are nerfed for PVP. So sick of not having PVE separate from PVP

Tremorscale. New meta.

Increased the damage of this set to 6000, up from 5850.
Increased the cooldown to 8 seconds, up from 4 seconds.
Enemies hit by the damage now have their Physical Resistance reduced by 2395 for 8 seconds, rather than being snared by 70% for 3 seconds.
Removed the proc chance from this set.

Saubon

Mayrael wrote: »

Maybe not very popular opinion but bloodspawn was ok in the past, but after nerfs of other defensive sets it was standing out, now it's more on pair with them. Both troll king and bloodspawn deserved a nerf (it was especially frustrating to fight wardens using this set because of sick ult gen and top resistances, wardens could cast their healing ulti almost on cool down).

Still DKs will cry the most because ultigen is a big part of their sustain

BaiterOfZergs

Mayrael wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Saubon wrote: »

I don't understand, ppl were complaining for so long about tank meta, about immortal players in CP campaign and now when they finally nerfed defensive monster sets and impen you are all mad.

Next time think before you bother Clavicus Vile with your wishes:)

One of the biggest problem sets was probably Troll King. Seeing that take a hit actually makes me a little giddy with joy if I'm honest.

Maybe not very popular opinion but bloodspawn was ok in the past, but after nerfs of other defensive sets it was standing out, now it's more on pair with them. Both troll king and bloodspawn deserved a nerf (it was especially frustrating to fight wardens using this set because of sick ult gen and top resistances, wardens could cast their healing ulti almost on cool down).

I think when so many people cries because of this set nerf, it was a well deserved nerf - all of them was using this set for a reason.

As I said in other thread, sets I use got nerfed to, but I already have 3 new setups in place of the one I use currently. Adapt guys...

What people are overlooking is the fact there was hardly any other monster sets to use , it’s the same thing with regular gear; there’s a handful people are wearing.

Most used doesn’t necessarily equate to OP, it could just mean there’s few options and it easily fits into multiple builds. I only used it on one character btw.

This isn’t some smart nerf, it’s just a nerf to go with other nerfs across the board. Therefore lazy, instead of getting to the problem sets even sets no one complained about or used got nerfed because they fell into a particular category. This is the typical standardized nerf we’ve been seeing for years. “If this gets nerfed then we have to nerf this too” <— The problem with that is it just homogenizes the game.

Xarc

ok maybe my DK will need another set now.

Qbiken

Was it expected, yes. Necessary, not really. Stamina didn't really have any good substitute for bloodspawn in PvP (maybe trollking), hence why it was used over other options. For magicka you had a lot wider selections of monster sets to choose from that was still viable.

But with zos standardization policy it was expected to happen sooner or later....

OrderoftheDarkness

I think one of the reasons for these nerfs is to strengthen the position of classes and builds that rely on Major Fracture and Breach. Now they will push much more dangerously. With these changes, there will be no sets that can easily resist such debuffs.

ZarkingFrued

The nerf to Bloodspawn makes no sense honestly, the uptime is so low that the higher mitigation and Ult gen was warranted for the sets functionality. If they want to go this route then the proc chance needs increased by a lot

reiverx

They want the set removed from the game so they made it beyond useless.

Kadoin

"armor reduction is way too much especially for mag classes..."

HAHAHAHAHA

No.

MurderMostFoul

Was the nerf uncalled for?

No.

While BS wasn't gamebreaking, it was an outlier in terms of overall power. I hate to see it happen (as do my DK and Necro) but it doesn't come as a surprise.

katorga

Brrrofski wrote: »

Let's be honest - it was too strong.

For most builds, mag or stam, it was the go to set. Almost default.

I'm ok with the armor reduction personally (there's way too mitigation in pvp) but I feel like the ult gen could have stayed as it was.

It wasn't "too strong", once they nerfed the damage monster sets with delays and telegraphs (that was over a year ago) and made them barely functional in pvp, the only useful monster sets in pvp were the that buffed/impacted your character. Oh well. Meh.

What I noticed is that they nerfed the magicka sets excepting maw of internal and naan, nerfed the defensive sets across the board. They buffed the stamina monster sets.

Yuke

tbh makes sense to nerf it. uptime was pretty crazy on stamtanks if heavily outnumbered...too bad its the final nail that goes into the solo pvp coffin if you are not a nb/magsorc.

Lughlongarm

Its been long coming.

UrbanMonk

honesty i'm still trying to figure out what the heck ZoS did with so many sets...useless trash is still useless and what was useful is also trash now.

Skysenzz

This server never was too strong in any mean that should need to a nerf; it was just a set that had good balance for every type of player. It had good defensive support by its resistance and ultigen could help you a bit on whatever role you are on.
Kinda sad to see the king of monster sets in PvP go like that because most of the other set from NonDLC are just ***. Now you gotta make Bloodspawn *** aswell so players will go towards DLC Monster sets (nice buff on balorgh btw, it wasn't a bad set; neither a really strong one; mostly used for people that wanted to get more offensive power and it did not fail at that by any mean. You buffed it for what reason? )

Seems like ZOS believe that if a set is used by lots of players it's overpowered .. Another update of bad balance and non-sence (Bash nerf kekw gj cattering crippled players)

John_Falstaff

To be frank, from PvE standpoint, Balorgh got quite a bit of a nerf for organized groups (no more second stage burn on Archcustodian, I guess), moderate buff for less organized ones. But pretty sure it's still a PvP-driven choice... and I'm so sick of PvP-driven choices ZOS makes. I think it's time to fire the combat team in its entirety.

relentless_turnip

I love this set, but I think this change is in support of one of the most commonly moaned about things... I am fine with it and will still use this set as all defensive monster sets have been nerfed 😂 and it looks like we are going into a damage meta 🤔
I think this patch will be insane for no cp 😂

I would like it if they increased the proc chance as they have nerfed the duration and effectiveness.

Minalan

solasub wrote: »

Everybody speaks about "tank meta" ; no one about "Sieges meta", when 20 people hiding on the walls siege 3 people , Xmeatbags+ XcoldFire + Xlightning Ballistas + XTrebuchet VS 1player.
No nerf for sieges incoming.
But yes I guess Zos is aware of that, Cyro land of zerg and they like it, it just will be more and more with the next patch.

Siege actually needs a buff, it's the one thing ball groups can't easily exploit for themselves. The game was fun when siege was ridiculous and dangerous.

It looks like the idea here was to get us to chase the new mythic artifacts or farm perfected weapons for a new two piece. None of the monster sets look like they're worth using, especially shadowrend, WTF?