In light of the proposed vMA and VDSA weapons.

llBlack_Heartll

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

Banana

I'd rather be dead than have to go in there again.
Change what I have already earned zos. $#@!

llBlack_Heartll

Banana wrote: »

I'd rather be dead than have to go in there again.
Change what I have already earned zos. $#@!

Well nothing changing if the implement the 3 tier system. You still have your weapons that you earned.
If you want a better version, you can farm it.

FrancisCrawford

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

llBlack_Heartll

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

That’s the trade off, you can have access to the weapons but it may only be slightly better than a gold weapon you could slot.

Taleof2Cities

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

That’s the trade off, you can have access to the weapons but it may only be slightly better than a gold weapon you could slot.

ZOS wants to give players MORE access to Arena weapons, @llBlack_Heartll ... not the other way around.

It's pretty obvious in Wheeler's post.

You're adding more restrictions on content that is already difficult for the vast majority of players.

Like every other player with vMA weapons, I would prefer just to have them upgraded with the patch.

Lole

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

That’s the trade off, you can have access to the weapons but it may only be slightly better than a gold weapon you could slot.

ZOS wants to give players MORE access to Arena weapons, @llBlack_Heartll ... not the other way around.

It's pretty obvious in Wheeler's post.

You're adding more restrictions on content that is already difficult for the vast majority of players.

Like every other player with vMA weapons, I would prefer just to have them upgraded with the patch.

Why you want an upgraded version for free ? You Basicly asking for a buff of your existing weapon and that’s it...if you want the slightly better version go farm it if you don’t wanna put that effort in again then you don’t get it and you can still use the one you have

Banana

People have already done that exact same content. We should already have the perfected version. But, there's no arguing with some people.

idk

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

This is a good point. It would actually be worse than what currently drops in normal. Further, and more significant if correct, I do not recall any item that can be upgraded that can only be upgraded to gold.

llBlack_Heartll

idk wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

This is a good point. It would actually be worse than what currently drops in normal. Further, and more significant if correct, I do not recall any item that can be upgraded that can only be upgraded to gold.

I just don’t like the fact that you will be able to farm the same weapons on normal that we have already on vet and they certainly don’t sound like they are willing to give us the perfected versions, so we need to find some middle ground.

Dogzey

Lole wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

That’s the trade off, you can have access to the weapons but it may only be slightly better than a gold weapon you could slot.

ZOS wants to give players MORE access to Arena weapons, @llBlack_Heartll ... not the other way around.

It's pretty obvious in Wheeler's post.

You're adding more restrictions on content that is already difficult for the vast majority of players.

Like every other player with vMA weapons, I would prefer just to have them upgraded with the patch.

Why you want an upgraded version for free ? You Basicly asking for a buff of your existing weapon and that’s it...if you want the slightly better version go farm it if you don’t wanna put that effort in again then you don’t get it and you can still use the one you have

I don’t think you get it. If they nerf or buff a weapon which you’ve earned let’s say they change the 5 piece on your per loki daggers. They’ll be changed you don’t have to refarm them. You earned them on vet that’s all. Vma weapons are earned on vet, vma perfected weapons will be earned from vet it’s essentially them buffing the ones you’ve already earned? It’s not like they are adding a hardmode or anything. Exact same content don’t tell people they want them for free you moron people took hours upon hours to get multiples, correct traits etc.

Crixus8000

We already did the farming, our current items should just be upgraded like they always are when zos makes changes. This time should be no different.

Crunkanaut

Lole wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

That’s the trade off, you can have access to the weapons but it may only be slightly better than a gold weapon you could slot.

ZOS wants to give players MORE access to Arena weapons, @llBlack_Heartll ... not the other way around.

It's pretty obvious in Wheeler's post.

You're adding more restrictions on content that is already difficult for the vast majority of players.

Like every other player with vMA weapons, I would prefer just to have them upgraded with the patch.

Why you want an upgraded version for free ? You Basicly asking for a buff of your existing weapon and that’s it...if you want the slightly better version go farm it if you don’t wanna put that effort in again then you don’t get it and you can still use the one you have

@Lole
so you get paid by your boss
a new one dumb guy comes new to the company as an assistant of YOU and gets paid more as you. what you gonna do

Lole

Dogzey wrote: »

Lole wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

That’s the trade off, you can have access to the weapons but it may only be slightly better than a gold weapon you could slot.

ZOS wants to give players MORE access to Arena weapons, @llBlack_Heartll ... not the other way around.

It's pretty obvious in Wheeler's post.

You're adding more restrictions on content that is already difficult for the vast majority of players.

Like every other player with vMA weapons, I would prefer just to have them upgraded with the patch.

Why you want an upgraded version for free ? You Basicly asking for a buff of your existing weapon and that’s it...if you want the slightly better version go farm it if you don’t wanna put that effort in again then you don’t get it and you can still use the one you have

I don’t think you get it. If they nerf or buff a weapon which you’ve earned let’s say they change the 5 piece on your per loki daggers. They’ll be changed you don’t have to refarm them. You earned them on vet that’s all. Vma weapons are earned on vet, vma perfected weapons will be earned from vet it’s essentially them buffing the ones you’ve already earned? It’s not like they are adding a hardmode or anything. Exact same content don’t tell people they want them for free you moron people took hours upon hours to get multiples, correct traits etc.

Yes they want the upgraded weapon cuz they farmed vma 2 years ago you want upgrade for your current weapon ? Go farm it end of story...I will do the same, in the end this is an mmo and sitting for multiple month/years on the same gear Is not what makes an mmorpg

Sanguinor2

Lole wrote: »

Yes they want the upgraded weapon cuz they farmed vma 2 years ago you want upgrade for your current weapon ? Go farm it end of story...I will do the same, in the end this is an mmo and sitting for multiple month/years on the same gear Is not what makes an mmorpg

The People that farmed them 2 years ago worked infinitely harder than the ones that will farm them after the patch.

Dogzey

Lole wrote: »

Dogzey wrote: »

Lole wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

That’s the trade off, you can have access to the weapons but it may only be slightly better than a gold weapon you could slot.

ZOS wants to give players MORE access to Arena weapons, @llBlack_Heartll ... not the other way around.

It's pretty obvious in Wheeler's post.

You're adding more restrictions on content that is already difficult for the vast majority of players.

Like every other player with vMA weapons, I would prefer just to have them upgraded with the patch.

Why you want an upgraded version for free ? You Basicly asking for a buff of your existing weapon and that’s it...if you want the slightly better version go farm it if you don’t wanna put that effort in again then you don’t get it and you can still use the one you have

I don’t think you get it. If they nerf or buff a weapon which you’ve earned let’s say they change the 5 piece on your per loki daggers. They’ll be changed you don’t have to refarm them. You earned them on vet that’s all. Vma weapons are earned on vet, vma perfected weapons will be earned from vet it’s essentially them buffing the ones you’ve already earned? It’s not like they are adding a hardmode or anything. Exact same content don’t tell people they want them for free you moron people took hours upon hours to get multiples, correct traits etc.

Yes they want the upgraded weapon cuz they farmed vma 2 years ago you want upgrade for your current weapon ? Go farm it end of story...I will do the same, in the end this is an mmo and sitting for multiple month/years on the same gear Is not what makes an mmorpg

Farming content I have done 200-300 times without any part of the content changing is stupid and if they are giving new drops for the exact same run why not upgrade it? They took our 2nd piece bonus from it a few years back they can do it the other way around. Somebody doing normal vma gets the exact same drop some people spent ages on working to get.

[Edit to remove flame]

SirMewser

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

Pretty much this.

Banana wrote: »

I'd rather be dead than have to go in there again.
Change what I have already earned zos. $#@!

I don't think people would appreciate having to run old content again just to get back what they once had on these weapons; prior to, being nerf in favour for making new content look appealing.

I think many players who remember what they once were, would be triggered (just look at the responses above for example).

Lole wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

That’s the trade off, you can have access to the weapons but it may only be slightly better than a gold weapon you could slot.

ZOS wants to give players MORE access to Arena weapons, @llBlack_Heartll ... not the other way around.

It's pretty obvious in Wheeler's post.

You're adding more restrictions on content that is already difficult for the vast majority of players.

Like every other player with vMA weapons, I would prefer just to have them upgraded with the patch.

Why you want an upgraded version for free ? You Basicly asking for a buff of your existing weapon and that’s it...if you want the slightly better version go farm it if you don’t wanna put that effort in again then you don’t get it and you can still use the one you have

This statement lacks historical sensitivity.

If ZoS can take away the additional stat bonuses from these weapons, then turn around and give it to new content (vBRP *cough*), then they are more than capable of reverting it back.

Why do you believe older players should be penalized to run the exact same content again to get the exact same old gear they once had? How does this not affect the trust of veteran players?

olsborg

Banana wrote: »

I'd rather be dead than have to go in there again.
Change what I have already earned zos. $#@!

words of wisdom

idk

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

idk wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

This is a good point. It would actually be worse than what currently drops in normal. Further, and more significant if correct, I do not recall any item that can be upgraded that can only be upgraded to gold.

I just don’t like the fact that you will be able to farm the same weapons on normal that we have already on vet and they certainly don’t sound like they are willing to give us the perfected versions, so we need to find some middle ground.

??? Zos is adding the perfected weapon to the game. Who cares if people can get the imperfect weapon on normal as they can in other instances where there are imperfect and perfect weapons already.

Banana

olsborg wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

I'd rather be dead than have to go in there again.
Change what I have already earned zos. $#@!

words of wisdom

Im not happy

SirMewser

idk wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

idk wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

This is a good point. It would actually be worse than what currently drops in normal. Further, and more significant if correct, I do not recall any item that can be upgraded that can only be upgraded to gold.

I just don’t like the fact that you will be able to farm the same weapons on normal that we have already on vet and they certainly don’t sound like they are willing to give us the perfected versions, so we need to find some middle ground.

??? Zos is adding the perfected weapon to the game. Who cares if people can get the imperfect weapon on normal as they can in other instances where there are imperfect and perfect weapons already.

It's not about " people can get the imperfect weapon on normal".
It's about the people who have imperfect (once perfected) weapons on veteran.

Your response was to the statement (which you highlighted)..

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

idk wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

This is a good point. It would actually be worse than what currently drops in normal. Further, and more significant if correct, I do not recall any item that can be upgraded that can only be upgraded to gold.

I just don’t like the fact that you will be able to farm the same weapons on normal that we have already on vet and they certainly don’t sound like they are willing to give us the perfected versions, so we need to find some middle ground.

You are arguing semantics, but really, he is talking about what I've been saying which seemed advertently not responded to.

Are you depicting comments of those who seem less informed or more vulnerable (like expressing: "I don't like") over those with an actual case?
Just seems a little maladaptive to those uncomfortable with the proposed changes, especially with your choice of words and devaluating someone's feelings/concerns.

You're certainly not advocating for new players, not without being transparent nor holding a rational for both sides.
So what is it

idk

SirMewser wrote: »

idk wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

idk wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

This is a good point. It would actually be worse than what currently drops in normal. Further, and more significant if correct, I do not recall any item that can be upgraded that can only be upgraded to gold.

I just don’t like the fact that you will be able to farm the same weapons on normal that we have already on vet and they certainly don’t sound like they are willing to give us the perfected versions, so we need to find some middle ground.

??? Zos is adding the perfected weapon to the game. Who cares if people can get the imperfect weapon on normal as they can in other instances where there are imperfect and perfect weapons already.

It's not about " people can get the imperfect weapon on normal".
It's about the people who have imperfect (once perfected) weapons on veteran.

Your response was to the statement (which you highlighted)..

The perfected vMA weapons are not like any vMA weapons we have ever had available until the next update. Therefore no one has a vMA weapon that was a "once perfected" weapon. No reason to be upset that Zos will move the regular vMA weapon to normal.

SirMewser

idk wrote: »

SirMewser wrote: »

idk wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

idk wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

This is a good point. It would actually be worse than what currently drops in normal. Further, and more significant if correct, I do not recall any item that can be upgraded that can only be upgraded to gold.

I just don’t like the fact that you will be able to farm the same weapons on normal that we have already on vet and they certainly don’t sound like they are willing to give us the perfected versions, so we need to find some middle ground.

??? Zos is adding the perfected weapon to the game. Who cares if people can get the imperfect weapon on normal as they can in other instances where there are imperfect and perfect weapons already.

It's not about " people can get the imperfect weapon on normal".
It's about the people who have imperfect (once perfected) weapons on veteran.

Your response was to the statement (which you highlighted)..

The perfected vMA weapons are not like any vMA weapons we have ever had available until the next update. Therefore no one has a vMA weapon that was a "once perfected" weapon. No reason to be upset that Zos will move the regular vMA weapon to normal.

It has nothing to do with the regular vMA weapon moving to normal.
Read again or read what the majority of people are posting that concurs with my argument.

idk

SirMewser wrote: »

idk wrote: »

SirMewser wrote: »

idk wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

idk wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

This is a good point. It would actually be worse than what currently drops in normal. Further, and more significant if correct, I do not recall any item that can be upgraded that can only be upgraded to gold.

I just don’t like the fact that you will be able to farm the same weapons on normal that we have already on vet and they certainly don’t sound like they are willing to give us the perfected versions, so we need to find some middle ground.

??? Zos is adding the perfected weapon to the game. Who cares if people can get the imperfect weapon on normal as they can in other instances where there are imperfect and perfect weapons already.

It's not about " people can get the imperfect weapon on normal".
It's about the people who have imperfect (once perfected) weapons on veteran.

Your response was to the statement (which you highlighted)..

The perfected vMA weapons are not like any vMA weapons we have ever had available until the next update. Therefore no one has a vMA weapon that was a "once perfected" weapon. No reason to be upset that Zos will move the regular vMA weapon to normal.

It has nothing to do with the regular vMA weapon moving to normal.
Read again or read what the majority of people are posting that concurs with my argument.

You stated " It's about people who have imperfect (once perfected) weapons on veteran and I was merely pointing out that was a false statement.

There have never been a perfected vMA weapon in-game and there has been a vMA weapon like what Zos is adding. There is a glaring difference that you, and many in that thread, seem, to be ignoring.

justaquickword

Don't be sorry for me. I haven't spent hours farming VMA.

😏

Lole

Dogzey wrote: »

Lole wrote: »

Dogzey wrote: »

Lole wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

That’s the trade off, you can have access to the weapons but it may only be slightly better than a gold weapon you could slot.

ZOS wants to give players MORE access to Arena weapons, @llBlack_Heartll ... not the other way around.

It's pretty obvious in Wheeler's post.

You're adding more restrictions on content that is already difficult for the vast majority of players.

Like every other player with vMA weapons, I would prefer just to have them upgraded with the patch.

Why you want an upgraded version for free ? You Basicly asking for a buff of your existing weapon and that’s it...if you want the slightly better version go farm it if you don’t wanna put that effort in again then you don’t get it and you can still use the one you have

I don’t think you get it. If they nerf or buff a weapon which you’ve earned let’s say they change the 5 piece on your per loki daggers. They’ll be changed you don’t have to refarm them. You earned them on vet that’s all. Vma weapons are earned on vet, vma perfected weapons will be earned from vet it’s essentially them buffing the ones you’ve already earned? It’s not like they are adding a hardmode or anything. Exact same content don’t tell people they want them for free you moron people took hours upon hours to get multiples, correct traits etc.

Yes they want the upgraded weapon cuz they farmed vma 2 years ago you want upgrade for your current weapon ? Go farm it end of story...I will do the same, in the end this is an mmo and sitting for multiple month/years on the same gear Is not what makes an mmorpg

Farming content I have done 200-300 times without any part of the content changing is stupid and if they are giving new drops for the exact same run why not upgrade it? They took our 2nd piece bonus from it a few years back they can do it the other way around. Somebody doing normal vma gets the exact same drop some people spent ages on working to get.

They don’t force you to do so, you can keep your middle one without any problems, it is not weaker than before, if you want the slightly better one you will need to put effort in to upgrade the weapon. Just see it as you are upgrading the old weapon to a better version...Who cares if some new player gets the same god damn weapon now on an easier mode? You can still get the better one if you really want it, if not ? Well your problem

[Edit to remove bait]

Hanokihs

Personally, I wish they were more consistent in how they retroactively apply new systems/upgrades. When they switched from Vet levels to CP, for example, people who grinded got credit; short of a coding snafu they don't want to admit to, there's no reason people who grinded Maelstrom weapons shouldn't get credit for them under the new perfected/imperfected system.

Even if you don't agree with the gripe and are willing to just sigh and do vMA over again, it doesn't give you an excuse to pretend you don't understand WHY there's a gripe in the first place. Just saying, to people who are obviously doing that.

idk

Hanokihs wrote: »

Personally, I wish they were more consistent in how they retroactively apply new systems/upgrades. When they switched from Vet levels to CP, for example, people who grinded got credit; short of a coding snafu they don't want to admit to, there's no reason people who grinded Maelstrom weapons shouldn't get credit for them under the new perfected/imperfected system.

Even if you don't agree with the gripe and are willing to just sigh and do vMA over again, it doesn't give you an excuse to pretend you don't understand WHY there's a gripe in the first place. Just saying, to people who are obviously doing that.

Actually, there is a reason for people to grind vMA for the new weapons if they want it. Even if you disagree it is the case. People asked for a "perfected" vMA weapon to be added. Zos added it and if you really want it you will in fact do vMA again.

Heck, in many of the threads asking for upgraded vMA weapons many pretty much understood it to require doing vMA again. Many of us expected it to require a more difficult challenge to get upgraded weapons. Unfortunatly that part did not happen.

We asked, we received, and some people complain about it.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Making us go to VMSA with a grind mindset is another boring and tedious task. Through the years I'm up to a point where all my alts (especially the ones I play regularly) have their sets done... Now it's the battle against the resto and S&B RNG monster in VMSA once again... UGH!

SirMewser

Lole wrote: »

Dogzey wrote: »

Lole wrote: »

Dogzey wrote: »

Lole wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

llBlack_Heartll wrote: »

Is it time that we bring in a 3 tier approach?
To me, it has become clear that this exact thing needs to be implemented.

Example would be - Changes to the VMA & VDSA. The way that currently stand, it completely devalues the effort everyone has put into the game to first off learn the mechanics and complete it over and over to get the weapon that you are trying to farm, then you have mats and trans gems spent and then hours, months years sent in there.

What I would like to see is - Standard Weapons to drop on Normal, can only be upgraded to purple at max.

Imperfect Version to stay the same in veteran mode. (What we currently have)

Then Perfect Version to be farmed on a HM of the last boss.

This way it won’t devalue what we currently have and we will have a desire to re-farm for a better version of what we have if it be going from normal version to Imperfect and imperfect to perfect.

What you said may be fine for other set pieces, but nobody would use a purple version of a weapon if they could afford something generic in gold.

That’s the trade off, you can have access to the weapons but it may only be slightly better than a gold weapon you could slot.

ZOS wants to give players MORE access to Arena weapons, @llBlack_Heartll ... not the other way around.

It's pretty obvious in Wheeler's post.

You're adding more restrictions on content that is already difficult for the vast majority of players.

Like every other player with vMA weapons, I would prefer just to have them upgraded with the patch.

Why you want an upgraded version for free ? You Basicly asking for a buff of your existing weapon and that’s it...if you want the slightly better version go farm it if you don’t wanna put that effort in again then you don’t get it and you can still use the one you have

I don’t think you get it. If they nerf or buff a weapon which you’ve earned let’s say they change the 5 piece on your per loki daggers. They’ll be changed you don’t have to refarm them. You earned them on vet that’s all. Vma weapons are earned on vet, vma perfected weapons will be earned from vet it’s essentially them buffing the ones you’ve already earned? It’s not like they are adding a hardmode or anything. Exact same content don’t tell people they want them for free you moron people took hours upon hours to get multiples, correct traits etc.

Yes they want the upgraded weapon cuz they farmed vma 2 years ago you want upgrade for your current weapon ? Go farm it end of story...I will do the same, in the end this is an mmo and sitting for multiple month/years on the same gear Is not what makes an mmorpg

Farming content I have done 200-300 times without any part of the content changing is stupid and if they are giving new drops for the exact same run why not upgrade it? They took our 2nd piece bonus from it a few years back they can do it the other way around. Somebody doing normal vma gets the exact same drop some people spent ages on working to get.

They don’t force you to do so, you can keep your middle one without any problems, it is not weaker than before, if you want the slightly better one you will need to put effort in to upgrade the weapon. Just see it as you are upgrading the old weapon to a better version...Who cares if some new player gets the same god damn weapon now on an easier mode? You can still get the better one if you really want it, if not ? Well your problem

[Edit to remove bait]

Except it is weaker than before.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371878/pts-patch-notes-v3-2-0-clockwork-city/p1

Hanokihs

idk wrote: »

Hanokihs wrote: »

Personally, I wish they were more consistent in how they retroactively apply new systems/upgrades. When they switched from Vet levels to CP, for example, people who grinded got credit; short of a coding snafu they don't want to admit to, there's no reason people who grinded Maelstrom weapons shouldn't get credit for them under the new perfected/imperfected system.

Even if you don't agree with the gripe and are willing to just sigh and do vMA over again, it doesn't give you an excuse to pretend you don't understand WHY there's a gripe in the first place. Just saying, to people who are obviously doing that.

Actually, there is a reason for people to grind vMA for the new weapons if they want it. Even if you disagree it is the case. People asked for a "perfected" vMA weapon to be added. Zos added it and if you really want it you will in fact do vMA again.

Heck, in many of the threads asking for upgraded vMA weapons many pretty much understood it to require doing vMA again. Many of us expected it to require a more difficult challenge to get upgraded weapons. Unfortunatly that part did not happen.

We asked, we received, and some people complain about it.

All I've ever really seen asked for in terms of changes to vMA weapons is people wanting ZoS to undo their initial nerf, and that wouldn't entail having to grind again. (Also people sick of grinding and wanting a token system, but that's probably never gonna happen).

I mean, I get that this is uncharted territory, considering all the other "perfected" versions of things came fresh with the release of their associated content, but it's still explicitly giving the shaft to people who already ran this exact content at the exact same difficulty level required to get the "new" loot. Like you noted, there's not even a final boss hard mode to justify this. It's not even like the introduction of the transmute system, which benefits everyone and all drops; this change only impacts two arenas, one of which typically requires multiple people having to group up and slog through an unwanted rng grind fest that they already endured. Like, it's very apparent why people are miffed.

At least for vMA it's solo, and it can be done any time someone wants without having to group up, but unless they also intend to kick off an extended Orsinium Event, it's a small consolation.