Bat Scion: Can we get a toggle on the transformation?

WraithShadow13

I love my Bat Swarm and don't want to lose it, but that bat scion form looks terrible. Could we get a Toggle for it, like Helmets, that just doesn't transform us visually? Much like Vampire Lord, it's not a bad design, i just don't want it on my characters. I would hate to lose out on my ultimate just due to a visual change that i can't opt-out of.

Feizao

I too don't care for the aesthetics, but a powerful ult requires some visual queue for other players to be aware of and avoid it. and it has to be consistent so everyone can recognize it when you pop it. Maybe theres a way to satisfy both idk. That generally how WW and goliath works. Levitation/wings would be more pleasing imo

WraithShadow13

The bat swarm is still a pretty good visual queue. As for the Vampire level 5 thing, i'm still not entirely sure what that does, so i'm not really sure what a good compromise there would be. Maybe the large bat wing effect from the current bat swarm morph on Bat Scion?

VoidCommander

A lot of people hating really hard on the blood scion appearance. I feel like I’m the only one who likes the look.

Vevvev

VoidCommander wrote: »

A lot of people hating really hard on the blood scion appearance. I feel like I’m the only one who likes the look.

Its a bit too flashy for many people's tastes. One of the complaints you'll hear about the crown store mounts is the same thing. They're too flashy and the effects feel a little too over done for an Elder Scrolls game. When we hear about a vampire transformation we think of something like a Vampire Lord from Skyrim or the Werewolves, and both things do not have a million special effects hiding their appearance. The vampire scion buried under all those ugly effects is a character model, but its so hard to make out any details on it what's the point? Also not to mention the lack of a female version but that's a different complaint entirely.

Here are all the transformation we've seen across all the games.

Skyrim Vampire:

ESO Vampire:

Skyrim Werewolf:

ESO Werewolf:

ESO Scion Form:

As you can see the ESO Scion form is the major outlier in terms of appearances.

XomRhoK

Vevvev wrote: »

VoidCommander wrote: »

A lot of people hating really hard on the blood scion appearance. I feel like I’m the only one who likes the look.

ESO Vampire:

ESO Scion Form:

As you can see the ESO Scion form is the major outlier in terms of appearances.

Not best pictures of ESO Vampire and Blood Scion, here more clear images, from this thread:
ESO Vampire (main antagonist in Greymoor):

ESO Blood Scion:

Vevvev

Thanks, I was trying to find those but all the search features failed me. I know another issue is the weird wings.

FlawlessXD

It would be cool if the ult had a model for each race.

Noxavian

Vevvev wrote: »

VoidCommander wrote: »

A lot of people hating really hard on the blood scion appearance. I feel like I’m the only one who likes the look.

Its a bit too flashy for many people's tastes. One of the complaints you'll hear about the crown store mounts is the same thing. They're too flashy and the effects feel a little too over done for an Elder Scrolls game. When we hear about a vampire transformation we think of something like a Vampire Lord from Skyrim or the Werewolves, and both things do not have a million special effects hiding their appearance. The vampire scion buried under all those ugly effects is a character model, but its so hard to make out any details on it what's the point? Also not to mention the lack of a female version but that's a different complaint entirely.

Here are all the transformation we've seen across all the games.

Skyrim Vampire:

ESO Vampire:

Skyrim Werewolf:

ESO Werewolf:

ESO Scion Form:

As you can see the ESO Scion form is the major outlier in terms of appearances.

Really hoping the Scion Tranformation gets normal vamp-lord style wings and the non-winged form looks more like that screenshot of the NPC blood scion that appears to be in combat. (We already know that's what the NPC blood scions look like, as some vamp npcs can transform into them. I do not know why they wouldn't just copy/paste the form of that.)

SjornParadox52

FlawlessXD wrote: »

It would be cool if the ult had a model for each race.

I approve of this, i'd like to see a vampire godzilla for the argonian version of it. xD

darthgummibear_ESO

I hope that buff dude model is only for male characters.

SjornParadox52

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

I hope that buff dude model is only for male characters.

well they're still working on it so there maybe a chance for it.

WraithShadow13

VoidCommander wrote: »

A lot of people hating really hard on the blood scion appearance. I feel like I’m the only one who likes the look.

More reason to get a toggle for it. That way you're not forced into it but it's still there if you want it. So far, I was really looking forward to this update but after seeing it, it really just loses all desire to use vampire skills. More so, it seemed like my bat swarm was a lot shorter and weaker today, so i don't know if that was a bug or some kind of lag related issue.

WraithShadow13

Thinking back on it, we wouldn't even need a toggle, persay but this could easily be a single skill point in the passives, as well. Either TO have it or to NOT have the scion form during ultimates.