Please don't make female vampire lords look like buff males

DocFrost72

Now I guess you could argue it's genderless. We don't know. Someone take a peek

Scarred for life but confirmed Ken Doll.

Vevvev

Fata1moose wrote: »

The current ult looks too buff regardless of gender. Hope they improve it and make it look more like Skyrim. Vampires or magic based and not stamina based afterall. The Vampire Lord in Skyrim is tall, but pretty slender and agile.

Now that you point that out I have to agree. The model is a bit too buff considering this is a very magical group of individuals that try to avoid using their claws. They wanna live forever after all and the only way they can die is a violent end.

Female version is the same way. Skinny and agile but also monstrous in her own way.

TheFM

Vevvev wrote: »

Fata1moose wrote: »

The current ult looks too buff regardless of gender. Hope they improve it and make it look more like Skyrim. Vampires or magic based and not stamina based afterall. The Vampire Lord in Skyrim is tall, but pretty slender and agile.

Now that you point that out I have to agree. The model is a bit too buff considering this is a very magical group of individuals that try to avoid using their claws. They wanna live forever after all and the only way they can die is a violent end.

Female version is the same way. Skinny and agile but also monstrous in her own way.

This. There is 0 reason for them to not have a female model with this. Its either laziness, or sexism. Imagine if the male characters were forced to have female bodies with certain motifs, or with the vampire scion form.

Tessitura

TheFM wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I saw some previews on YouTube and it scares me. I don't want my female vampire lord to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger!

ZoS has a track record of doing this with armor , morphs such as colossus, and now this. This doesnt surprise me at all. Its INCREDIBLY sexist IMO.

Uuuh, what armors, and tell me why a bone monster should have ***? The Scion morph for sure copped out on the no female stuff, but what are you talking about on the other stuff?

noblecron

To be fair, that is from Alpha testing. It might be different upon PTS

Also, the Bloodline in ESO is not Skyrim's bloodline. We're of the Lamae line not Volkihar so there are going to be differences between bloodlines

Tigerseye

Idinuse wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Wouldn’t that just be a Vampire Lady?

A Vampire Dame... =P

No, the female equivalent of a Lord is a Lady, not a Dame.

...and yes, I know you were joking.

Tigerseye

DocFrost72 wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I saw some previews on YouTube and it scares me. I don't want my female vampire lord to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger!

ZoS has a track record of doing this with armor , morphs such as colossus, and now this. This doesnt surprise me at all. Its INCREDIBLY sexist IMO.

Let's not be hyperbolic.

It is lazy.
It is silly.
It is frustrating.

ZOS is not intentionally disparaging women with this.

I don't know if it's "disparaging", exactly, but it's odd.

They have some unusual ideas about the way females look in this game, in general.

It's like they are rejecting the idea of femininity, both in the way females look and in the masculine-only versions of titles and so on.

The males of a race are often prettier looking than the females.

Things like the angle of female noses being more typically masculine, than the angle of the noses of males, is rather strange.

You have to work quite hard at making a half-pretty looking female.

That doesn't happen by accident.

Tigerseye

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Now I guess you could argue it's genderless. We don't know. Someone take a peek

Scarred for life but confirmed Ken Doll.

Lacking visible *** =/= genderless.

If the body has male proportions, it reads as male.

Gnortranermara

The models from the preview were obvious placeholders, not final art. The art will be fine. The real problem is the implementation of Blood Scion as a weapon-wielding, skillless polymorph (like Bone Goliath) instead of a fully fleshed out skill line (like Werewolf, or even like Volendrung with the skills pre-selected).

TheFM

Tessitura wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I saw some previews on YouTube and it scares me. I don't want my female vampire lord to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger!

ZoS has a track record of doing this with armor , morphs such as colossus, and now this. This doesnt surprise me at all. Its INCREDIBLY sexist IMO.

Uuuh, what armors, and tell me why a bone monster should have ***? The Scion morph for sure copped out on the no female stuff, but what are you talking about on the other stuff?

Many of the motifs have extremely male proportions, the bone colossus could simply mirror the general bone structure of your toon, the Scion, if it goes through will be another example.

Tessitura

Tigerseye wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I saw some previews on YouTube and it scares me. I don't want my female vampire lord to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger!

ZoS has a track record of doing this with armor , morphs such as colossus, and now this. This doesnt surprise me at all. Its INCREDIBLY sexist IMO.

Let's not be hyperbolic.

It is lazy.
It is silly.
It is frustrating.

ZOS is not intentionally disparaging women with this.

I don't know if it's "disparaging", exactly, but it's odd.

They have some unusual ideas about the way females look in this game, in general.

It's like they are rejecting the idea of femininity, both in the way females look and in the masculine-only versions of titles and so on.

The males of a race are often prettier looking than the females.

Things like the angle of female noses being more typically masculine, than the angle of the noses of males, is rather strange.

You have to work quite hard at making a half-pretty looking female.

That doesn't happen by accident.

I feel like you have a skewed view of what the average woman looks like. I am not trying to insult, or anything, just hear me out.

The female faces are not the prettiest, true, but neither are the males on average, the game has a weird character creator, the faces all look pretty bad unless you work hard at it. Have you seen Nords? They have almost like Oblivion levels of puddy face. Their biggest issues with faces lie in the cheeks and eyes. But outside of that, I always really liked that they didn't hyper beautify or sexual the characters in this game. No the woman are not super pretty, but on average, most women are not hyper pretty. Its a breath of fresh air after years of the sexual dimorphism we got from WoW and other titles where the woman just had to be the most bangable.

it feels like they are more grounded in their approach rather then the typically less grounded treatment females get with their armors and faces, and bodies in most fantasy games. I mean, there are for sure some issues with the frames and faces but I think thats a universal issue that game has with the way they constructed the character frames and faces... Lets be real, the game just has mostly ugly humans at their base templates. because I think they struggled with the subtle of racial features. But they can be molded and made to look good, we know this because we do it. I mean, look at this *** below.



Thats a base template for a breton I was given once.

And female noses look fine to me, I am not sure I agree with you on that one and I disagree that men look better for one very serious issue I have with this game, and that the male chests.... Why do they puff out so much? Its like men had balloon chest and their stomach is a string to keep them from floating off... This is why I think over all, the big awkwardness you see is rooted in the way characters are built in this game... They have weird and awkward models round the board.

As for the issues with transformations, lets be real, most of them have only a masculine form cause it's closer to a asexual form and with them having to push content out every year, they probably cut every corner they can to meet the deadlines, which is why the chapter a year *** should be stopped. They were able to get away with it for a while because who wants to see *** on a WW or bone monster but now its getting harder.

Tessitura

TheFM wrote: »

Tessitura wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I saw some previews on YouTube and it scares me. I don't want my female vampire lord to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger!

ZoS has a track record of doing this with armor , morphs such as colossus, and now this. This doesnt surprise me at all. Its INCREDIBLY sexist IMO.

Uuuh, what armors, and tell me why a bone monster should have ***? The Scion morph for sure copped out on the no female stuff, but what are you talking about on the other stuff?

Many of the motifs have extremely male proportions, the bone colossus could simply mirror the general bone structure of your toon, the Scion, if it goes through will be another example.

This is going to have to be a agree to disagree moment, because I don't see it, the armors looks fine, they look like what I would expect from a chick in armor, and the cloths fits their form pretty well. and the bone monster is just a bone monster, you are the only person I have ever seen have a issue with it. But to be fair to you, where there is one, there will be others.

Ozium

morph is Fuggy as all hell, so yeah needs work and an alt for female & other races be great too

Wolfchild07

Remember when they stopped making motifs for females and started making barrel chests? They still don't care about fixing that. Oh, I shouldn't bring that up again.

Faulgor

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Yes, but then they will also have to make female version of WWs too...

As they should.
It doesn't have to be lewdy, just subtle appropriate differences ...



I mean, there's even Skyrim concept art for female WWs, even though they didn't make it into the game. So it's not uncalled for.

Tapio75

I would rather keep the whole appearance of my character as is and add some aura plus lavitation to that and maybe some wings too but thats that. I designed my character and as a vampire being a lifestate rather than werecreature, i expect to keep my appearance. Now changing to werewolf or werebear is completely different thing.

Furthermore. Vampirelord/mistress should be reserved for NPC only. Players can be the wqeaker thralls to them. Not everyone can be a lord or lady nor king or queen.. Everyone can be average joe/Jane though.

Noxavian

Tapio75 wrote: »

I would rather keep the whole appearance of my character as is and add some aura plus lavitation to that and maybe some wings too but thats that. I designed my character and as a vampire being a lifestate rather than werecreature, i expect to keep my appearance. Now changing to werewolf or werebear is completely different thing.

Furthermore. Vampirelord/mistress should be reserved for NPC only. Players can be the wqeaker thralls to them. Not everyone can be a lord or lady nor king or queen.. Everyone can be average joe/Jane though.

I have a simple solution for you: Don't take the vampire ultimate if you don't want to transform then.

Boom, fixed.

thissocalledflower

DocFrost72 wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I saw some previews on YouTube and it scares me. I don't want my female vampire lord to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger!

ZoS has a track record of doing this with armor , morphs such as colossus, and now this. This doesnt surprise me at all. Its INCREDIBLY sexist IMO.

Let's not be hyperbolic.

It is lazy.
It is silly.
It is frustrating.
ZOS is not intentionally disparaging women with this.

OT: I for one would love a female wolf and vampire lord model, but I have a sneaking suspicion the reasoning will be "it's a genderless monster"

Thoughtless disparaging of women is somehow better that thoughtful disparaging of women?

as far as models go wolves are different than vamps... vamps are primarily humanoid but werewolves much less so, so you would expect to see less noticable difference between m and f wolves

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CassandraGemini

Cireous wrote: »

As a woman, identifying as a lady, I am also uncomfortable tranforming into a manpire.

As a woman who doesn't necessarily identify as a "lady" in that sense (I'm more something along the lines of "tattoed biker / metalhead who's very much in touch with her "male" side", so to speak), but still most definitely as a woman, I'm just as uncomfortable as you. Gee, haven't really been around here for a little while and this thread just made me look up the Scion form for the first time... kinda wish I hadn't, tbh. I mean, others have said it, it's okay if it's fugly, that's to be expected, but is it really too much to ask for it to be a feminine version of fugly for female characters?

I'm trying to imagine my very delicate Altmer lady turning into this thing... but my brain goes "error". It's just wrong.

Edited for typo.

Trashasaurus

Sad to see that there is a [Z] but it's only some inane post. Was hoping it was a response to this.

Integral1900

Really disappointing ZOS

Basically they just ignored the fact that a lot of women do play this game (shock horror I know😆)

Now instead of of my vampire nightblade charging it surrounded with a bat swarm handily colour coordinated with her other skills I get to turn into this stupid man bat thing. Sod that! If these changes go live as is I’m definitely getting rid of vampire on this charecter, the bats ultimate was the only thing I had it for

newtinmpls

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Yes, but then they will also have to make female version of WWs too...

It's about time that got done!!

Helgarth

It comes from another post that closed but I still want this to be heard which was from me. I did not jothrr adaptating the text since lot of ppl don't bother trying to think a bit:

How about some science here? Because heck! You are triggering me! In some species and also amongst bats, the female is often bigger, stronger, and shinier! So what you are entitled to think is plainly wrong! It even happens more often than the male being the strongest! So yeah, no wonder this looks strong! And breast is a pretty humanoid thing so... Forget about that too please...

Damn people! Some logic and critical thoughts please!

CassandraGemini

Helgarth wrote: »

It comes from another post that closed but I still want this to be heard which was from me. I did not jothrr adaptating the text since lot of ppl don't bother trying to think a bit:

How about some science here? Because heck! You are triggering me! In some species and also amongst bats, the female is often bigger, stronger, and shinier! So what you are entitled to think is plainly wrong! It even happens more often than the male being the strongest! So yeah, no wonder this looks strong! And breast is a pretty humanoid thing so... Forget about that too please...

Damn people! Some logic and critical thoughts please!

I'm sorry, but what you're saying has nothing to do with logic, much less science. I might agree with you if the Scion Form actually looked like a giant bat, or the werewolf like a giant wolf, for that matter. But they obviously don't, they're anthropomorph versions (and in a fantasy based game, no less, so pulling the science card here really doesn't work), which is pretty important in this regard, because it means that yes, there should be visible differences between genders! It doesn't make a lick of sense that the transformations of, say, a hulking Nord guy and a small Bosmer girl should look exactly the same and there is no excuse for ZOS not giving us an appropriate female model.

Seperatist

Don't worry about that, noone will be a vamp next patch anymore

Noxavian

Integral1900 wrote: »

Really disappointing ZOS

Basically they just ignored the fact that a lot of women do play this game (shock horror I know😆)

Now instead of of my vampire nightblade charging it surrounded with a bat swarm handily colour coordinated with her other skills I get to turn into this stupid man bat thing. Sod that! If these changes go live as is I’m definitely getting rid of vampire on this charecter, the bats ultimate was the only thing I had it for

The changes are going live in some shape or form. They aren't going to completely halt the rework because a very small amount of people like using the old bat ultimate.

Also there's Bat Scion, which is the same thing as the bat ult but better as it lasts 20sec.

Noxavian

Integral1900 wrote: »

Really disappointing ZOS

Basically they just ignored the fact that a lot of women do play this game (shock horror I know😆)

Now instead of of my vampire nightblade charging it surrounded with a bat swarm handily colour coordinated with her other skills I get to turn into this stupid man bat thing. Sod that! If these changes go live as is I’m definitely getting rid of vampire on this charecter, the bats ultimate was the only thing I had it for

Wack. So the blood scion not having a female specific model means the entire company ignored women that play this game?

Yikes. Talk about a bad take. They aren't forcing you to take the ultimate, if you don't like it then don't take it.

Did it cross your mind that the Blood Scion is supposed to look a bit more masculine, but still kinda genderless?


Like I'm all for a hot vampire chick scion looking transformation don't get me wrong.

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Vevvev

Noxavian wrote: »

The changes are going live in some shape or form. They aren't going to completely halt the rework because a very small amount of people like using the old bat ultimate.

Also there's Bat Scion, which is the same thing as the bat ult but better as it lasts 20sec.

The issue is the damage from the bats is very low as we've seen from Fex's video. That is subject to change but it lost 2/3rds of the damage it once did per second. Now the old ultimate lasts for 7 seconds, but I'd rather take the more bursty damage over a short period of time than the long amount of damage over time that forces you to stay close in order for it to be more effective. At least clouding swarm gives you a gap closer + very impressive spammable on top of that powerful DOT.

WraithShadow13

Yeah, I'm not too keen on the look of the Bat Scion... at all...

I really hope they give us the option to turn off the transformation WITHOUT losing the ultimate or morphs, kind of like how the helmet toggle works. I don't want to lose my ultimate but this update was very lackluster, ESPECIALLY on the visual level.

RaptorRodeoGod

Anybody saying that Vampire Lords/Blood Scions are genderless haven't seen Skyrim's FEMALE Vampire Lord. It's legit in the lore.