Faction Change Tokens Are Coming In Greymoor

TimeDazzler

I don't really mind as long as we get some free tokens as we got for when they rebalanced the races/racial passives. Thoughts?

Royaji

They won't be rebalancing factions, that's for sure... so why are you expecting free tokens? You are going to be disappointed.

TimeDazzler

Hmm, lets see? Because they introduced faction lock AFTER most hardcore PvPers made characters on different factions and are now locked out from playing them? Seems like a good reason to me.

Royaji

Cries wrote: »

Hmm, lets see? Because they introduced faction lock AFTER most hardcore PvPers made characters on different factions and are now locked out from playing them? Seems like a good reason to me.

If we were to be objective, faction lock was here long before some "hardcore" PvPers made their character on difference factions.

Anyway, prepare your 2000-3000 crowns a pop and open wide.

TimeDazzler

Royaji wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Hmm, lets see? Because they introduced faction lock AFTER most hardcore PvPers made characters on different factions and are now locked out from playing them? Seems like a good reason to me.

If we were to be objective, faction lock was here long before some "hardcore" PvPers made their character on difference factions.

Anyway, prepare your 2000-3000 crowns a pop and open wide.

Yea no, absolutely not objective. All campaigns were unlocked and you could switch to characters on different factions freely without having to wait for the campaign to end. That is the fact, I don't know what agenda you trying to support here pal.

Royaji

Cries wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Hmm, lets see? Because they introduced faction lock AFTER most hardcore PvPers made characters on different factions and are now locked out from playing them? Seems like a good reason to me.

If we were to be objective, faction lock was here long before some "hardcore" PvPers made their character on difference factions.

Anyway, prepare your 2000-3000 crowns a pop and open wide.

Yea no, absolutely not objective. All campaigns were unlocked and you could switch to characters on different factions freely without having to wait for the campaign to end. That is the fact, I don't know what agenda you trying to support here pal.

I'm just trying to save you from building unreasonable expectations about free tokens and inevitably being disappointed when this does not happen.

TimeDazzler

Yes and you are doing so by claiming to be objective, which means:
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

But then claim that faction lock was introduced LONG BEFORE hardcore PvPers made characters on different factions. This claim cannot be any further from representing actual facts. Faction lock is a recent installment of Zenimax listening to the casual PvPers. Before faction lock, you could play on any campaign, with any character of any faction, at any time. Thus many players like myself created characters on different factions for that purpose and now we cannot play them until the campaign is over. Unfortunately, Grey Host is the only active campaign as Zenimax's recent attempts at performance improvements have failed on an epic level and have left the PvP population lower than ever to where only Grey Host is played which is faction locked.

Royaji

Cries wrote: »

Yes and you are doing so by claiming to be objective, which means:
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

But then claim that faction lock was introduced LONG BEFORE hardcore PvPers made characters on different factions. This claim cannot be any further from representing actual facts. Faction lock is a recent installment of Zenimax listening to the casual PvPers. Before faction lock, you could play on any campaign, with any character of any faction, at any time. Thus many players like myself created characters on different factions for that purpose and now we cannot play them until the campaign is over. Unfortunately, Grey Host is the only active campaign as Zenimax's recent attempts at performance improvements have failed on an epic level and have left the PvP population lower than ever to where only Grey Host is played which is faction locked.

Faction lock was very much a thing. And then it wasn't. And then it was again. You are missing that first part.

WrathOfInnos

Makes me wonder if faction locking the main campaign was just an early step in the plan to sell more alliance change tokens. If we want to play in a populated Cyrodiil we need all our characters in the same alliance now, which was not the case when we created those characters and chose their alliances.

Creating problems and then selling the solution is not a good path to head down.

NinchiTV

Yay, cant wait for bandwagoners to swap teams when the other is overpopulated already and winning. Enjoy the hour long queue time or enjoy playing with the under populated faction with no scrolls and keeps.

Mayrael

Cries wrote: »

Yes and you are doing so by claiming to be objective, which means:
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

But then claim that faction lock was introduced LONG BEFORE hardcore PvPers made characters on different factions. This claim cannot be any further from representing actual facts. Faction lock is a recent installment of Zenimax listening to the casual PvPers. Before faction lock, you could play on any campaign, with any character of any faction, at any time. Thus many players like myself created characters on different factions for that purpose and now we cannot play them until the campaign is over. Unfortunately, Grey Host is the only active campaign as Zenimax's recent attempts at performance improvements have failed on an epic level and have left the PvP population lower than ever to where only Grey Host is played which is faction locked.

Pfff... You know that faction locks were the case till Morrowind expansion (I'm not sure when they removed them but faction unlock was not the default setup).

Nevertheless there won't be any free alliance change tokens, there is no reason. And even if there would, you would see the result same as on PC EU noCP campaign. With faction locks all 3 factions had their time (each one of them won), now without them AD is overpopulated most of the time, and as it lasts more and more people plays there because it's easier. Yeah I know white knights will hop in claiming they swap to underpopulated factions but the score says something else. After just few days AD has over 8k points more than second DC.

Give people free faction change and you will see one sided Cyrodiil all the time. Even when it won't be free most casuals will swap to the easiest alliance.

BaiterOfZergs

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Makes me wonder if faction locking the main campaign was just an early step in the plan to sell more alliance change tokens. If we want to play in a populated Cyrodiil we need all our characters in the same alliance now, which was not the case when we created those characters and chose their alliances.

Creating problems and then selling the solution is not a good path to head down.

I asked Brian wheeler awhile ago when race change was being introduced if they thought about adding alliance change. And the answer was something like it’s something they thought about but they haven’t figured something out technically. Not verbatim , it was years ago so I doubt they locked alliances for profit.

Raudgrani

Hope they add a cooldown in them, like for at least 60-90 days.

Rianai

Mayrael wrote: »

Pfff... You know that faction locks were the case till Morrowind expansion (I'm not sure when they removed them but faction unlock was not the default setup).

Nevertheless there won't be any free alliance change tokens, there is no reason. And even if there would, you would see the result same as on PC EU noCP campaign. With faction locks all 3 factions had their time (each one of them won), now without them AD is overpopulated most of the time, and as it lasts more and more people plays there because it's easier. Yeah I know white knights will hop in claiming they swap to underpopulated factions but the score says something else. After just few days AD has over 8k points more than second DC.

Give people free faction change and you will see one sided Cyrodiil all the time. Even when it won't be free most casuals will swap to the easiest alliance.

I'm pretty sure factions got unlocked long before morrowind. And even before that it was afaik possible to guest with chars from another faction, so campaigns weren't fully locked (not 100% sure on that one tho, just read something like this on the forums, but didn't play myself at those times).

And yes, during locks all sides had their time of PvDoor, but if the map is just getting flipped back and forth by different factions- and that's exactly what happened - it is hardly an improvement in actual balance, even if the - completely irrelevant - score might end up a bit closer. And yet we still had some AD celebrating their 20k lead, which has been the biggest score difference the campaign had seen for quite a while.

Ofc removing locks again won't immediately fix the imbalance that got introduced during locked times (mainly because a lot of those AD that have been pvdoring the cp campaign for years moved to nocp, whether this was related to locks or coincidence is pure assumption ofc) and yes, it is possible that things will become worse, but blaming that on the removal of locks is very questionable, especially when considering the relative balanced state of the campaign before it got locked and the recent performance decline that hurts those, who are willing to fight outnumbered, the most and as a result favours numbers and stacking more than ever.

The thing is - if you don't enjoy the current imbalance - now you can actually try to do something about it!

Urvoth

NinchiTV wrote: »

Yay, cant wait for bandwagoners to swap teams when the other is overpopulated already and winning. Enjoy the hour long queue time or enjoy playing with the under populated faction with no scrolls and keeps.

Yeah, cause people are going to pay 3k crowns every week to swap factions, right?

Urvoth

Faction change tokens are one of the best QoL things they’ve done, and it gives me more hope in ZOS because of it.

Sure, it’s a bit of selling a solution after creating a problem, but that problem existed even before faction locks if you didn’t want to make a new character.

grannas211

Urvoth wrote: »

NinchiTV wrote: »

Yay, cant wait for bandwagoners to swap teams when the other is overpopulated already and winning. Enjoy the hour long queue time or enjoy playing with the under populated faction with no scrolls and keeps.

Yeah, cause people are going to pay 3k crowns every week to swap factions, right?

Exactly. The faction RP stuff on the forums is out of hand. It must be a PC thing.

Urzigurumash

NinchiTV wrote: »

enjoy playing with the under populated faction with no scrolls and keeps.

We already do, no?

Urzigurumash

grannas211 wrote: »

Exactly. The faction RP stuff on the forums is out of hand. It must be a PC thing.

I don't think so, many of us AD on Xbox are nauseated at the sight of red and blue IRL

Jabbs_Giggity

Cries wrote: »

Yes and you are doing so by claiming to be objective, which means:
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

But then claim that faction lock was introduced LONG BEFORE hardcore PvPers made characters on different factions. This claim cannot be any further from representing actual facts. Faction lock is a recent installment of Zenimax listening to the casual PvPers. Before faction lock, you could play on any campaign, with any character of any faction, at any time. Thus many players like myself created characters on different factions for that purpose and now we cannot play them until the campaign is over. Unfortunately, Grey Host is the only active campaign as Zenimax's recent attempts at performance improvements have failed on an epic level and have left the PvP population lower than ever to where only Grey Host is played which is faction locked.

False. At launch you could only play the faction your class was tied to. Then, with the addition of "Any Alliance, Any Race" you could pick your faction, regardless of race. Then came faction locks. Then faction locks were removed. Then they were re-added. In a nutshell...

khajiitNPC

@Jabbs_Giggity uh faction locks existed before and then removed and reinstalled. It happens. Sometimes we remember things incorrectly.

katorga

NinchiTV wrote: »

Yay, cant wait for bandwagoners to swap teams when the other is overpopulated already and winning. Enjoy the hour long queue time or enjoy playing with the under populated faction with no scrolls and keeps.

As long as it sells tokens.....

I can't imagine they would do this, but I do have very first toon from release stranded in a faction; everyone I ended playing with was in a different faction so I ended up releveling new classes in the new faction.