VoidCommander wrote: »A lot of people here are saying things defending the trade guilds. Like okay, sure, those guildmasters will no longer have a way to get millions of gold for almost no effort anymore. Yes it would be disruptive to those trading guilds, but at the end of the day, why would you care?
Hear me out. Would it have made sense for the world to not adopt cars as transportation, solely because it would hurt the horse breeding industry (trade guilds in this case)?
Point being that most trade guilds are only there so people have the PRIVILEGE of selling their wares to other players passively. This serves little purpose, and having a global auction house would benefit everyone except for the equivalent of the top 1% of the ESO community.
The only benefit I can see from the current trading structure in ESO is that it makes fixing the market for certain goods much more difficult.
Well said.
VoidCommander wrote: »A lot of people here are saying things defending the trade guilds. Like okay, sure, those guildmasters will no longer have a way to get millions of gold for almost no effort anymore. Yes it would be disruptive to those trading guilds, but at the end of the day, why would you care?
Hear me out. Would it have made sense for the world to not adopt cars as transportation, solely because it would hurt the horse breeding industry (trade guilds in this case)?
Point being that most trade guilds are only there so people have the PRIVILEGE of selling their wares to other players passively. This serves little purpose, and having a global auction house would benefit everyone except for the equivalent of the top 1% of the ESO community.
The only benefit I can see from the current trading structure in ESO is that it makes fixing the market for certain goods much more difficult.
wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »VoidCommander wrote: »A lot of people here are saying things defending the trade guilds. Like okay, sure, those guildmasters will no longer have a way to get millions of gold for almost no effort anymore. Yes it would be disruptive to those trading guilds, but at the end of the day, why would you care?
Hear me out. Would it have made sense for the world to not adopt cars as transportation, solely because it would hurt the horse breeding industry (trade guilds in this case)?
Point being that most trade guilds are only there so people have the PRIVILEGE of selling their wares to other players passively. This serves little purpose, and having a global auction house would benefit everyone except for the equivalent of the top 1% of the ESO community.
The only benefit I can see from the current trading structure in ESO is that it makes fixing the market for certain goods much more difficult.
Well said.
If you seriously think GM's get super rich and have easy ways to get lots stuff, you know nothing about how guilds run and work they take.
FYI... I have put in millions of my own gold for bids for guild, I make nothing. Thats how it is with most all GM's.
You know nothing John Snow...
VoidCommander wrote: »A lot of people here are saying things defending the trade guilds. Like okay, sure, those guildmasters will no longer have a way to get millions of gold for almost no effort anymore. Yes it would be disruptive to those trading guilds, but at the end of the day, why would you care?
Hear me out. Would it have made sense for the world to not adopt cars as transportation, solely because it would hurt the horse breeding industry (trade guilds in this case)?
Point being that most trade guilds are only there so people have the PRIVILEGE of selling their wares to other players passively. This serves little purpose, and having a global auction house would benefit everyone except for the equivalent of the top 1% of the ESO community.
The only benefit I can see from the current trading structure in ESO is that it makes fixing the market for certain goods much more difficult.
VoidCommander wrote: »A lot of people here are saying things defending the trade guilds. Like okay, sure, those guildmasters will no longer have a way to get millions of gold for almost no effort anymore. Yes it would be disruptive to those trading guilds, but at the end of the day, why would you care?
Hear me out. Would it have made sense for the world to not adopt cars as transportation, solely because it would hurt the horse breeding industry (trade guilds in this case)?
Point being that most trade guilds are only there so people have the PRIVILEGE of selling their wares to other players passively. This serves little purpose, and having a global auction house would benefit everyone except for the equivalent of the top 1% of the ESO community.
The only benefit I can see from the current trading structure in ESO is that it makes fixing the market for certain goods much more difficult.
VaranisArano wrote: »Casual Trading:
Step 1: use guildfinder or ask in zone chat for a casual trade guild with low or no requirements that fit how you like to play. I've never had a problem finding guilds that fit me and I regularly see low/no requirement trade guilds recruiting.
Step 2: list items for approx the same price as your guildmates. Yeah, it'll take a bit to get a feel for your good selling price especially if you are selling rarer items, but that's honestly how I learned to trade without add-ons. List, see what sells, relist if needed; its casual sales - if you need to empty your listings quick to manage inventory, throw the ESO equivalent of an "Everything Must Go!" sale.
VoidCommander wrote: »A lot of people here are saying things defending the trade guilds. Like okay, sure, those guildmasters will no longer have a way to get millions of gold for almost no effort anymore. Yes it would be disruptive to those trading guilds, but at the end of the day, why would you care?
Hear me out. Would it have made sense for the world to not adopt cars as transportation, solely because it would hurt the horse breeding industry (trade guilds in this case)?
Point being that most trade guilds are only there so people have the PRIVILEGE of selling their wares to other players passively. This serves little purpose, and having a global auction house would benefit everyone except for the equivalent of the top 1% of the ESO community.
The only benefit I can see from the current trading structure in ESO is that it makes fixing the market for certain goods much more difficult.
I wish!!! I absolutely loathe the trading in this game. Everyone who shoots it down is benefiting from it, they have a trading guild , etc. Yes it's so dumb. You have to join a guild, all their rules and fees, then you get 30 slots and it lasts 30 days!!! I don't want to list something for 30 days. I wish it was like SWTOR. But they won't do it bc too many people like it for personal benefit. It's also a huge pita trying to figure out what things cost. And don't tell me about the add on, I play on PS4. Oh and don't forget that you have to join a guild, then they have a trader somewhere, and you have to hope your item is listed for the correct price and that someone will happen to pass by the town your trader is in, then on your specific guild trader, then find your item and then buy it. Fing sucks so much.
Emma_Overload wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »We wouldn't need an auction house if they would make the trade guilds SEARCHABLE from a central location. They should also let you put down a deposit to hold the item until you can travel to the actual trader.
That’s essentially an Auction House, @Emma_Overload ... unless the global search did not include price of the search item.
Is that what you mean?
No. The items would still be stored at the individual guild traders. You would still have to travel to the trader to pick up the item. Traders would still have to belong to guilds to sell their items. And guilds would still have to bid for trading posts. All the mechanics that keep players milling about the cities would still be there, they just wouldn't have to waste as much time traveling through wayshrines (and loading screens) when they are shopping.
Here's what would be different:
1) Rich guilds would no longer be able to monopolize the market by hogging the best trading spots every week, simply because the centralized search would level the playing field for all guilds. Guilds might still prefer a spot on Rawlka or Deshan for prestige and bragging rights, but there would be no significant financial advantage.
2) Players will be able to find the items they are looking for quickly and place deposits on the items they intend to buy. In order to keep greedy players from locking up the market by placing too many deposits, the number of deposits per player could be limited and the length of time the items would be held could be limited, too.
3) Sellers would be free to list their items at ANY guild trader (that they belonged to) without feeling penalized or disadvantaged. Rich, greedy cartel guilds would no longer be able to demand ridiculous dues or fees from sellers, because all trading spots would be more or less equal. Even the smallest, poorest guilds would be able to sell their wares efficiently.
Hiding the price of the item as you suggest would just be irritating to the shopper. The whole point of centralized search would be to make shopping a more pleasant experience for the player.
They aren't even reading the (very valid) replies to the posts they are quoting. Their mind has been made up and no amount of logic and evidence to the contrary will make them change their stance.Taleof2Cities wrote: »The alternative is to keep making back-to-back posts like the 4 posts above mine ... until you're blue in the face about how the game design "isn't fair".
I hate the current system... the TTC website is easy to use but the fact that you need a 3rd party site to buy stuff in game without getting ripped off or wasting time teleporting all over tamriel is ridiculous.
Dusk_Coven wrote: »I hate the current system... the TTC website is easy to use but the fact that you need a 3rd party site to buy stuff in game without getting ripped off or wasting time teleporting all over tamriel is ridiculous.
The existence of the TTC website and people using it to in fact circumvent the guild kiosk system and treat it as a global auction house -- that's strong evidence a lot of people in fact want a global auction house.
If those people who don't want one in fact refuse to use TTC or MM or anything of the sort at all, then that's something to discuss.
Dusk_Coven wrote: »I hate the current system... the TTC website is easy to use but the fact that you need a 3rd party site to buy stuff in game without getting ripped off or wasting time teleporting all over tamriel is ridiculous.
The existence of the TTC website and people using it to in fact circumvent the guild kiosk system and treat it as a global auction house -- that's strong evidence a lot of people in fact want a global auction house.
If those people who don't want one in fact refuse to use TTC or MM or anything of the sort at all, then that's something to discuss.
Dusk_Coven wrote: »I hate the current system... the TTC website is easy to use but the fact that you need a 3rd party site to buy stuff in game without getting ripped off or wasting time teleporting all over tamriel is ridiculous.
The existence of the TTC website and people using it to in fact circumvent the guild kiosk system and treat it as a global auction house -- that's strong evidence a lot of people in fact want a global auction house.
If those people who don't want one in fact refuse to use TTC or MM or anything of the sort at all, then that's something to discuss.
You also see a lot of complaining about how people list stuff on TTC at a lowball price, then pull it and relist it at a higher price. So you might be seeing strong evidence that a lot of people want an easier way to play the market/scam buyers. Not to mention some people don't want to take the time to visit the traders "in person" so to speak, to find bargains to buy and use or flip.
Dusk_Coven wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »I hate the current system... the TTC website is easy to use but the fact that you need a 3rd party site to buy stuff in game without getting ripped off or wasting time teleporting all over tamriel is ridiculous.
The existence of the TTC website and people using it to in fact circumvent the guild kiosk system and treat it as a global auction house -- that's strong evidence a lot of people in fact want a global auction house.
If those people who don't want one in fact refuse to use TTC or MM or anything of the sort at all, then that's something to discuss.
You also see a lot of complaining about how people list stuff on TTC at a lowball price, then pull it and relist it at a higher price. So you might be seeing strong evidence that a lot of people want an easier way to play the market/scam buyers. Not to mention some people don't want to take the time to visit the traders "in person" so to speak, to find bargains to buy and use or flip.
All of which points to people wanting a system that works like a global auction house because they are in effect using one.
If someone wants to argue against a global auction house, then they are being hypocritical if they are in effect using one even through third party providers.
Dusk_Coven wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »I hate the current system... the TTC website is easy to use but the fact that you need a 3rd party site to buy stuff in game without getting ripped off or wasting time teleporting all over tamriel is ridiculous.
The existence of the TTC website and people using it to in fact circumvent the guild kiosk system and treat it as a global auction house -- that's strong evidence a lot of people in fact want a global auction house.
If those people who don't want one in fact refuse to use TTC or MM or anything of the sort at all, then that's something to discuss.
You also see a lot of complaining about how people list stuff on TTC at a lowball price, then pull it and relist it at a higher price. So you might be seeing strong evidence that a lot of people want an easier way to play the market/scam buyers. Not to mention some people don't want to take the time to visit the traders "in person" so to speak, to find bargains to buy and use or flip.
All of which points to people wanting a system that works like a global auction house because they are in effect using one.
If someone wants to argue against a global auction house, then they are being hypocritical if they are in effect using one even through third party providers.
I wish!!! I absolutely loathe the trading in this game. Everyone who shoots it down is benefiting from it, they have a trading guild , etc. Yes it's so dumb. You have to join a guild, all their rules and fees, then you get 30 slots and it lasts 30 days!!! I don't want to list something for 30 days. I wish it was like SWTOR. But they won't do it bc too many people like it for personal benefit. It's also a huge pita trying to figure out what things cost. And don't tell me about the add on, I play on PS4. Oh and don't forget that you have to join a guild, then they have a trader somewhere, and you have to hope your item is listed for the correct price and that someone will happen to pass by the town your trader is in, then on your specific guild trader, then find your item and then buy it. Fing sucks so much.