Just saying...

Saucy_Jack

I've been seeing a lot of negativity on the forums regarding lag and performance issues, and ok, to be fair there have been some lag and performance issues. But can you all agree that at least SOME of that has to do with the fact that literally everyone's staying at home all day, every day now? That there's been a significant increase in the load that the server infrastructure has to deal with that goes above and beyond what would have reasonably planned for?

I'm not saying that there aren't issues; I'm just saying that all these "ESO IS THE WORST NOW" or "ESO NEEDS TO FOLD UP SHOP" threads just sound like people either aren't thinking of the larger picture or just want to be drama llamas.

EDIT: Posting later comments here as it seems people aren't reading past the first post:

To clarify: I'm not saying the issues started with the virus; in fact I said issues were already existing in the very first sentence of my post.

But I *am* saying:

a) it's *possible* that increased numbers of people staying home are putting increased load on the servers, which already had issues, and
b) the uptick in end-times, all-is-lost, ESO-is-gurgling-out-its-death-throes threads (and there HAS been a marked uptick) is way off the hyperbole/drama-queen charts. Some people are experiencing performance issues, some aren't; they're working on fixing it.

dinklehorn

Honest question..weren't the problems here before all this pandemic stuff really got serious?

Charon_on_Vacation

could you provide some player numbers to see how much the population increased in the last two weeks?
i'd like to see how much it increased if it is considered "above and beyond what would have reasonably planned for".

Asardes

It happens to some players only. Probably the ones with specific setups. Mine works just fine, actually it's a bit smoother since Harrowstorm patch. I did experience some crashes in the first week after launch, but I suspect most were due to old version addons, once I updated all, the crashes stopped. During the past week-end the game stayed on for 12h+ with no crashes, multiple characters login, did BGs, dungeons, overland content, went to Cyrodiil for a couple of hours too and never experienced those kind of problems. Ping was stable at under 100, FPS was stable as well as 55-60 (I capped it at 60).

Agenericname

I'm at work, so, literally everyone isn't at home playing the game.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

The Cornavirus isn't the cause of all ills. This game in particular. However I agree with you that all of the hyperbole doesn't help the matter.

relentless_turnip

I've posted this a few times...

https://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Since the release of Harrowstorm average players have dropped by nearly 1000 on steam alone!
Yes a lot more people are off work, but they are playing something else.

ESO performance is terrible!

SmukkeHeks

You must be new here

//pc Eu server 2019

Ingenon

In my experience the game is running well enough. When I post this experience and say that I am doing normal trials, normal dungeons, and small group PvE activity, folks reply and say that that is why I am not seeing their issues. I believe there are issues with Veteran HM Trials, and PvP in the Cyrodiil most populated campaign. I believe that most players are having few issues, because they aren't doing those activities. The game isn't running great for everybody, it is just running OK for most.

vamp_emily

It really amazes me that people come up with poor excuses of why the game is broken.

Example 1:
Me: The game is running fine with some lag at times
Zos: Updates game
Me: The game is running like poo poo
Forum User: Get a new computer

Example 2:
Me: The game is running fine with some lag at times
Zos: Updates game
Me: The game is running like poo poo
Forum User: Quit copying builds and spread out, it is not Zeni's fault!

Example 3:
Me: The game is running fine with some lag at times
Zos: Updates game
Me: The game is running like poo poo
Forum User: It is possible that people are staying home more often now and causing lag?

I'm very open minded about what the real issue is but please quit gaslighting merely for a few insightfuls, agrees or awesomes. Someone really messed up PvP. It isn't noticeable in low pop campaigns or BGs but someone really messed it up.

Just Saying

The_Auror

The newest performance issues happened with the Harrowstorm patch and have nothing to do with player numbers or irl virus outbreaks.

Neoealth

dinklehorn wrote: »

Honest question..weren't the problems here before all this pandemic stuff really got serious?

Yes they were. Very much so.

daemonios

Sorry Saucy but no, I can't agree on that. Increased lag was reported way before some countries started implementing social distancing measures. How bad the lag is and how many people it affects are up for debate, but it didn't just start because of the virus.

Fiktius

I can at some level understand that there are now more people playing games and pressuring servers, but tbh:
these issues have been going on even before different countries started to take heavier actions and before many people were asked to stay at home.

It's true that already horrible performance went even worse at PC EU. Apparently developers did scratch only surface of issues at Monday's maintenance and if server population is peaking, it's only highlighting burning issues at background.

Last evening at PC EU server performance was messed up. Chat lag was present, using guild store/bank was slow and even trying to do very simple stuff like picking up a flower made my character do nothing for 2 seconds and my character looked like she couldn't believe she just found a corn flower nobody picked up yet.

I also tried to do some BGs with my Stam Sorc at Monday and realized that now when I have more time to play at home, doing PvP content seem not to be what I can do: Dizzy swing seems like it got it own mind and keeps cancelling in the middle of attack and game says I'm out of range, even when my character could see eyeballs of my enemy.
If I try to do my usual combo and try to heavy attack after using dizzy, my character just ends to look like a windmill roleplayer.
Executioner do not want to come out due game yet again says I'm not near my enemy and Onslaught seems to take official coffee breaks in the middle of combat. It became chrystal clear to me that PvP will not be the content I'll find myself doing much any time soon.

I came even into a point when I was thinking: "Maybe I should create a new character? Which class still works?"
And then realized I went too far and that's time to log out of the game and do something else instead.

Drako_Ei

Try one of those special VPNs created for videogames, they are expensive, but that is the real ESO+

My ping decreased from 280 and being unstable to 67ms super stable

Alinhbo_Tyaka

Ingenon wrote: »

In my experience the game is running well enough. When I post this experience and say that I am doing normal trials, normal dungeons, and small group PvE activity, folks reply and say that that is why I am not seeing their issues. I believe there are issues with Veteran HM Trials, and PvP in the Cyrodiil most populated campaign. I believe that most players are having few issues, because they aren't doing those activities. The game isn't running great for everybody, it is just running OK for most.

While I saw some improvements with Monday's patch I'm still seeing skill misfires and lag in the exact same type of content as you. While more common in Vet/HM content I think the problem shows up when there is a lot of fast high activity combat going on. For me I the misfires in low or medium combat activity are gone but open world and normal level group content where folks tend to burn things down quickly and have a lot of movement still misfire or lag. I expect the faster and higher activity level is the reason more folks are still reporting problems in Vet/HM content.

Hurbster

I can assure you that most of us are still working.

Saucy_Jack

To clarify: I'm not saying the issues started with the virus; in fact I said issues were already existing in the very first sentence of my post.

But I *am* saying:

a) it's *possible* that increased numbers of people staying home are putting increased load on the servers, which already had issues, and
b) the uptick in end-times, all-is-lost, ESO-is-gurgling-out-its-death-throes threads (and there HAS been a marked uptick) is way off the hyperbole/drama-queen charts. Some people are experiencing performance issues, some aren't; they're working on fixing it.

I dunno. It just seems like people are pointing at a broken ankle and planning the funeral because, well, everyone knows if a family member has a broken ankle, might as well read 'em their last rites. /s

AgaTheGreat

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

I've been seeing a lot of negativity on the forums regarding lag and performance issues, and ok, to be fair there have been some lag and performance issues. But can you all agree that at least SOME of that has to do with the fact that literally everyone's staying at home all day, every day now? That there's been a significant increase in the load that the server infrastructure has to deal with that goes above and beyond what would have reasonably planned for?

I'm not saying that there aren't issues; I'm just saying that all these "ESO IS THE WORST NOW" or "ESO NEEDS TO FOLD UP SHOP" threads just sound like people either aren't thinking of the larger picture or just want to be drama llamas.

I've had these issues before countries went on lockdown, so no, I don't think it's connected to people staying at home more.

belial5221_ESO

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I've posted this a few times...

https://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Since the release of Harrowstorm average players have dropped by nearly 1000 on steam alone!
Yes a lot more people are off work, but they are playing something else.

ESO performance is terrible!

That is cause steam has issues and ppl moving from steam version,and the numbers are not changing much cause of performance. Seems the trending playing on and off seems to be normal,going up around dec/jan and in june-aug,and lowering when most are back in school/work.So that isn't reliable data about performance affecting game.

Asardes

The game doesn't seem much more crowded compared to other week-days. So I don't think it's the increased number of users.

TheRealCherokeee3

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

To clarify: I'm not saying the issues started with the virus; in fact I said issues were already existing in the very first sentence of my post.

But I *am* saying:

a) it's *possible* that increased numbers of people staying home are putting increased load on the servers, which already had issues, and
b) the uptick in end-times, all-is-lost, ESO-is-gurgling-out-its-death-throes threads (and there HAS been a marked uptick) is way off the hyperbole/drama-queen charts. Some people are experiencing performance issues, some aren't; they're working on fixing it.

I dunno. It just seems like people are pointing at a broken ankle and planning the funeral because, well, everyone knows if a family member has a broken ankle, might as well read 'em their last rites. /s

I see your perspective, however this isn't a broken ankle on a young healthy patient. This is cirrhosis of the liver on an aging pre existing conditions patient that has continually exacerbated the illness by pushing forward rather than taking rest and addressing the root issue. Fact is for all of us who have been here for years, we've seen this degrading situation play out (inspite of our suggestions and requests) way before COVID. You mentioned the situation in a familial sense with your metaphor, "...if a family member has a broken ankle" and that metaphor is pretty accurate. THAT is why so many of us complain and rant in forums. BECAUSE we care alot for the potential of the game, and what it once was. It's saddening to see a once unique game being slowly stripped down to a slow paced typical MMO and over commercialized cash grab setup. It's not unplayable. It's not dead. Its just becoming...typical. So alot of long time, long suffering, enduring fans have mourned and moved on. But, as your post and others even here have shown, there are plenty of casual and content players still to fill the game so I don't see it dying.

Veuth

It's entirely possible, but even at the beginning of this year when I started playing again, it's been the absolute worst of all time in terms of performance. I even have a GTX 1080 now and playing in 1080p or even 480p will give me the exact same results, which is 30 fps and 100+ ping.

relentless_turnip

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I've posted this a few times...

https://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Since the release of Harrowstorm average players have dropped by nearly 1000 on steam alone!
Yes a lot more people are off work, but they are playing something else.

ESO performance is terrible!

That is cause steam has issues and ppl moving from steam version,and the numbers are not changing much cause of performance. Seems the trending playing on and off seems to be normal,going up around dec/jan and in june-aug,and lowering when most are back in school/work.So that isn't reliable data about performance affecting game.

What are you talking about? I play from steam there aren't any more issues on that platform than playing it directly(currently)...
As you'll see by looking on steam.
I just provided evidence of a declining player base... You are just saying things without any grounds at all.
If you look at the link you'll see trends for the last 2 years have shown growth between February and March.

It isn't reliable because it is a portion of the player base, but that is how statistics are formed...
It can still be utilised to have a feel for the player base as a whole.

yodased

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYWHJwyO5Gs

xxthir13enxx

Yes...More of a Bad thing is only going to create a Worse thing...

ZoS needs to focus on fixing the Bad thing
While ppl try to play in the Worse thing and fail


https://youtu.be/6Bytig-oavY

x48rph

No changes or improvements they have make (or probably will make) have improved the lag fest that is prime time cyrodil. The current issues introduced with the latest patch have simply compounded the problem to the point that even people who used to fight through the lag are now just avoiding cyro or the game entirely.

RefLiberty

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

I've been seeing a lot of negativity on the forums regarding lag and performance issues, and ok, to be fair there have been some lag and performance issues. But can you all agree that at least SOME of that has to do with the fact that literally everyone's staying at home all day, every day now? That there's been a significant increase in the load that the server infrastructure has to deal with that goes above and beyond what would have reasonably planned for?

I'm not saying that there aren't issues; I'm just saying that all these "ESO IS THE WORST NOW" or "ESO NEEDS TO FOLD UP SHOP" threads just sound like people either aren't thinking of the larger picture or just want to be drama llamas.

To be honest, the PvE is working just fine just as it was working before, when we do not have events and/or larger amount of players in the same zone, then skill delay and/or stutter starts.

And no it is not computer side issue, I have a pretty new custom made rig, and as already established numerous times, it is the same from $1K to $7K rigs, it is something with optimization and rendering/loading other player characters, not overland issue. Clearly engine or server side.

So that is why PvP is not working, since it is a large number of players based game mode, and same there are issues reported in trials.

So besides that the people are currently complaining over PvP, the real problem is because we cannot see the significant progress in resolving that particular performance issue, is it the engine or server side, I dont know for sure, but recent patches did not address it successfully so far.

Further more, we have a big chapter incoming soon, which can bring a lot of new players, since it is a Skyrim based, and if those issues described above are not resolved till then, we and the ZOS are in the major pickle.
We will have bad game experience and ZOS will get even more negative reputation.
You can expect even more "negative" threads on forum.

So no, this is not connected with people staying home and play more, the performance while questing and such PVE activites are perfect right now.
The problem is in game modes where are larger number of players in same area are involved, an this is going on for some time now without fix visible.

AMeanOne

I can only speak for ps4 na but it's been a dumpster fire since February 5th, longer than any distancing efforts in NA

Cavedog

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

I've been seeing a lot of negativity on the forums regarding lag and performance issues, and ok, to be fair there have been some lag and performance issues. But can you all agree that at least SOME of that has to do with the fact that literally everyone's staying at home all day, every day now? That there's been a significant increase in the load that the server infrastructure has to deal with that goes above and beyond what would have reasonably planned for?

I'm not saying that there aren't issues; I'm just saying that all these "ESO IS THE WORST NOW" or "ESO NEEDS TO FOLD UP SHOP" threads just sound like people either aren't thinking of the larger picture or just want to be drama llamas.

Um, aren't the servers supposed to be able to handle full load at all times? They know how many customers they have, how many play, and what they need to do to support that number online....or at least they are supposed to.

There is no COVID-19 excuse for ZOS to fall back on.

ESO doesn't need to fold up shop. They need to rebuild their game around a modern game engine. It's worth it.

Verbal_Earthworm

Yet another ZOS-apologist grasping at straws...

Stick with your silly polls to farm the stars you so desperately want.